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Topic: [ANN] Expanse (EXP) - 1st Stable fork of Ethereum (New Algo + PirlGuard) - page 124. (Read 961460 times)

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Someone Vang on Expanse growth in the near future, and that everyone is waiting for 120k but as I understand it, this price is already unreal for EXP, I know a lot of investors who have decided to enter the EXP is for 120k including myself, and most of them have already recorded a loss, I decided not to fiksirot and average in what was my biggest mistake, as I imagine the price averaged at around 60-70k, I hope that in the next month, I'll wait for this price that would drain their savings)

As goes with all investment communities such as stocks, real estate, commodities, art, precious metals etc there are holders and then there are the flippers. Some are very good at flipping and some are better at realizing true value and holding. Its a different mindset that evolves overtime due to various factors.

The key is to find out what you're good at and do that. For example, in my case, whenever i've tried to flip I have never done well. On other hand i've done well with investing when I try to find true value and stick with an investment for a longer period.

Expanse is one such investment where I believe i've found true value and plan to stick with it for a long time.
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Can't get myself to hold EXP. I have no issues trading and churning it.   Grin

the bonds and validators should be a good reason to hold exp longterm

People all have their different strategies and short-term traders also help with volume, so more power to them. I do quite well with a buy and hold strategy, and an abundance of patience, but that is certainly a learned skill in crypto.

Yes, the Bond system and Validator system are both designed to give more reasons to hold EXP off exchanges and lower resistance on the books. (Easier for the price to rise) Everything takes time, but our day will come Smiley

It also leaves it susceptible to a major slide as well if less people are trading.

I think for the moment, till the Validator system is in place, we'll have a unique opportunity to see how the market responds to the bond system with the current POW infrastructure. People have incentive to hold to make money through int earned through bonds though it does take a little while to get to a 1000 EXP while mining so they'll need to show a little patience which is often lacking in the crypto world.

Long term however fortune favors people who disciplined and patient. Its a time tested proven strategy.
What's the return on the bonds?

1% per month i think? 3 month contracts, which allows you to compound quarterly

With a 1% return & EXP being locked in for three months. Given the volatility, I definitely would not hold any EXP at all. Trading and churning would yield far better results without the risks.
 Tongue

Case point: You could get 1%, but in those 3 months the value of EXP could have slid 75% or more (which is not unrealistic in crypto). I definitely would not want to be stuck holding EXP in those scenarios.  Shocked  The risks outweigh the reward. It actually kind of reminds me that Paycoin (XPY) did something similar. That didn't work out so well.

actually you get 3% in 3 months; to me it sounds like your simply trying to 'slide' expanse. Why? most likely because youre a trader trying to find a cheaper entry point. Sorry bud, this train is leaving the station, no more 20k expanse for you! Your intentions are definitely not trustworthy by making claims attributing similarities to Paycoin, like are you fucking serious right now?! Hashlets were a product of a ponzi (which inherently represented supposed mining power), with a bait and switch to sell paycoin, nothing at all comparable to innovative concepts such as a bond system on the blockchain, where expanse tokens are awarded as an extension to the PoW process.

I think its safe to say that there are people who want to make some money flipping coins daily and there are some people who invest and go long on coins to make the ultimate goals and ambitions of the respective project come true. Yes, this is Crypto and anything can happen. Invest or trade, do what you think is the best.
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Resolved,Thank you all for helping me!
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> web3.fromWei(exp.getBalance(exp.coinbase), "expanse")
This unit doesn't exists, please use the one of the following units{
  "Gwei": "1000000000",
  "Kwei": "1000",
  "Mwei": "1000000",
  "babbage": "1000",
  "ether": "1000000000000000000",
  "femtoether": "1000",
  "finney": "1000000000000000",
  "gether": "1000000000000000000000000000",
  "grand": "1000000000000000000000",
  "gwei": "1000000000",
  "kether": "1000000000000000000000",
  "kwei": "1000",
  "lovelace": "1000000",
  "mether": "1000000000000000000000000",
  "micro": "1000000000000",
  "microether": "1000000000000",
  "milli": "1000000000000000",
  "milliether": "1000000000000000",
  "mwei": "1000000",
  "nano": "1000000000",
  "nanoether": "1000000000",
  "noether": "0",
  "picoether": "1000000",
  "shannon": "1000000000",
  "szabo": "1000000000000",
  "tether": "1000000000000000000000000000000",
  "wei": "1"
}
    at web3.js:2164:19
    at web3.js:2191:53
    at :1:1



> web3.fromWei(exp.getBalance(exp.coinbase))
399.25
>

i`m mining expanse

Why is not there ?
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build/bin/gexp --genesis genesis.json

flag provided but not defined: -genesis
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./ether-proxy config.json
2017/01/25 21:34:16 Loading config: /home/Mineru/expanse-proxy/config.json
2017/01/25 21:34:16 Running with 2 threads
2017/01/25 21:34:16 Upstream: main => http://127.0.0.1:9656
2017/01/25 21:34:16 Upstream: backup => http://127.0.0.1:9656
2017/01/25 21:34:16 Default upstream: main => http://127.0.0.1:9656
2017/01/25 21:34:16 Error while refreshing block template on main: Post http://127.0.0.1:9656: dial tcp 127.0.0.1:9656: getsockopt: connection refused
2017/01/25 21:34:16 Set block refresh every 100ms
2017/01/25 21:34:17 Error while refreshing block template on main: Post http://127.0.0.1:9656: dial tcp 127.0.0.1:9656: getsockopt: connection refused
2017/01/25 21:34:17 Error while refreshing block template on main: Post http://127.0.0.1:9656: dial tcp 127.0.0.1:9656: getsockopt: connection refused
2017/01/25 21:34:17 Error while refreshing block template on main: Post http://127.0.0.1:9656: dial tcp 127.0.0.1:9656: getsockopt: connection refused
2017/01/25 21:34:17 Error while refreshing block template on main: Post http://127.0.0.1:9656: dial tcp 127.0.0.1:9656: getsockopt: connection refused

Any ideea on how to solve this problem ? i`ve searched everywhere and i cant get a fix on it
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Can't get myself to hold EXP. I have no issues trading and churning it.   Grin

the bonds and validators should be a good reason to hold exp longterm

People all have their different strategies and short-term traders also help with volume, so more power to them. I do quite well with a buy and hold strategy, and an abundance of patience, but that is certainly a learned skill in crypto.

Yes, the Bond system and Validator system are both designed to give more reasons to hold EXP off exchanges and lower resistance on the books. (Easier for the price to rise) Everything takes time, but our day will come Smiley

It also leaves it susceptible to a major slide as well if less people are trading.

I think for the moment, till the Validator system is in place, we'll have a unique opportunity to see how the market responds to the bond system with the current POW infrastructure. People have incentive to hold to make money through int earned through bonds though it does take a little while to get to a 1000 EXP while mining so they'll need to show a little patience which is often lacking in the crypto world.

Long term however fortune favors people who disciplined and patient. Its a time tested proven strategy.
What's the return on the bonds?

1% per month i think? 3 month contracts, which allows you to compound quarterly

With a 1% return & EXP being locked in for three months. Given the volatility, I definitely would not hold any EXP at all. Trading and churning would yield far better results without the risks.
 Tongue

Case point: You could get 1%, but in those 3 months the value of EXP could have slid 75% or more (which is not unrealistic in crypto). I definitely would not want to be stuck holding EXP in those scenarios.  Shocked  The risks outweigh the reward. It actually kind of reminds me that Paycoin (XPY) did something similar. That didn't work out so well.

i would say to each is his own strategy, but for those who know how to successfully day trade, they will outperform, and over-perform any bonded ROI. That's where the conundrum sets in -- that successfully day trading is an art that many individuals are not ept too. However, if one were to incur a sell position before the ship takes off, they do miss a chunk of the pie, but at same time, it's almost irrelevant as long as when they price in, they are able to catch an upswing...regardless of it being sustained --- an upswing is exactly what it is --- a positive multiplication of your portfolio.

@bitmaster1x --- been reading some of your posts, and i do realize where you are coming from. It's actually quite brilliant, but 99% investors could lose money. You my friend, are the 1%.

Like you said, day trading isn't for everyone, but regardless it helps to be objective in any case. There's no right or wrong, but doing what the individual believe is right for themselves and dealing with any consequences or rewards associated with it.
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thats some real mental gymnastics there, mr semantics.   Cheesy
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Just being objective, that's all.
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@bitmaster1x if i had followed your trading strategy, I would have made substantial profits in ZCL, where I priced in mostly at .00035, however, my trading expertise is not quite up to your level. Hence trying to figure it out on my own terms...but I do see the beauty in it, especially if you consider that in the short-long term run, miners consistently push the price down until a new sustained bottom is reached before a breakout.
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Can't get myself to hold EXP. I have no issues trading and churning it.   Grin

the bonds and validators should be a good reason to hold exp longterm

People all have their different strategies and short-term traders also help with volume, so more power to them. I do quite well with a buy and hold strategy, and an abundance of patience, but that is certainly a learned skill in crypto.

Yes, the Bond system and Validator system are both designed to give more reasons to hold EXP off exchanges and lower resistance on the books. (Easier for the price to rise) Everything takes time, but our day will come Smiley

It also leaves it susceptible to a major slide as well if less people are trading.

I think for the moment, till the Validator system is in place, we'll have a unique opportunity to see how the market responds to the bond system with the current POW infrastructure. People have incentive to hold to make money through int earned through bonds though it does take a little while to get to a 1000 EXP while mining so they'll need to show a little patience which is often lacking in the crypto world.

Long term however fortune favors people who disciplined and patient. Its a time tested proven strategy.
What's the return on the bonds?

1% per month i think? 3 month contracts, which allows you to compound quarterly

With a 1% return & EXP being locked in for three months. Given the volatility, I definitely would not hold any EXP at all. Trading and churning would yield far better results without the risks.
 Tongue

Case point: You could get 1%, but in those 3 months the value of EXP could have slid 75% or more (which is not unrealistic in crypto). I definitely would not want to be stuck holding EXP in those scenarios.  Shocked  The risks outweigh the reward. It actually kind of reminds me that Paycoin (XPY) did something similar. That didn't work out so well.

i would say to each is his own strategy, but for those who know how to successfully day trade, they will outperform, and over-perform any bonded ROI. That's where the conundrum sets in -- that successfully day trading is an art that many individuals are not ept too. However, if one were to incur a sell position before the ship takes off, they do miss a chunk of the pie, but at same time, it's almost irrelevant as long as when they price in, they are able to catch an upswing...regardless of it being sustained --- an upswing is exactly what it is --- a positive multiplication of your portfolio.

@bitmaster1x --- been reading some of your posts, and i do realize where you are coming from. It's actually quite brilliant, but 99% investors could lose money. You my friend, are the 1%.
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Can't get myself to hold EXP. I have no issues trading and churning it.   Grin

the bonds and validators should be a good reason to hold exp longterm

People all have their different strategies and short-term traders also help with volume, so more power to them. I do quite well with a buy and hold strategy, and an abundance of patience, but that is certainly a learned skill in crypto.

Yes, the Bond system and Validator system are both designed to give more reasons to hold EXP off exchanges and lower resistance on the books. (Easier for the price to rise) Everything takes time, but our day will come Smiley

It also leaves it susceptible to a major slide as well if less people are trading.

I think for the moment, till the Validator system is in place, we'll have a unique opportunity to see how the market responds to the bond system with the current POW infrastructure. People have incentive to hold to make money through int earned through bonds though it does take a little while to get to a 1000 EXP while mining so they'll need to show a little patience which is often lacking in the crypto world.

Long term however fortune favors people who disciplined and patient. Its a time tested proven strategy.
What's the return on the bonds?

1% per month i think? 3 month contracts, which allows you to compound quarterly

With a 1% return & EXP being locked in for three months. Given the volatility, I definitely would not hold any EXP at all. Trading and churning would yield far better results without the risks.
 Tongue

Case point: You could get 1%, but in those 3 months the value of EXP could have slid 75% or more (which is not unrealistic in crypto). I definitely would not want to be stuck holding EXP in those scenarios.  Shocked  The risks outweigh the reward. It actually kind of reminds me that Paycoin (XPY) did something similar. That didn't work out so well.
as many people are un market as their are the ideas but i am unaware of all this because i am new here.
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Update: The Expanse Bond System is releasing in days, BEFORE the newsletter unless there are unforeseen delays. So make sure and check out Expanse now. Offline interest coming soon with the Bond System, no need to run a system to stake coins, smart contract based!
Oh, great!
We are all excited for that. Smiley

Is it something like Antshares stake?
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Update: The Expanse Bond System is releasing in days, BEFORE the newsletter unless there are unforeseen delays. So make sure and check out Expanse now. Offline interest coming soon with the Bond System, no need to run a system to stake coins, smart contract based!
Oh, great!
We are all excited for that. Smiley
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Any ETA on the bonds system?! I am pretty excited to lock up my stash and earn some interest!!!!!  BTW the expanse chart looks real nice with that slow and steady uptrend from 18k to 27k

I read somewhere its going to be in the next few days, maybe 1-3days? Suppose to be out before the newsletter which is on the 1st, so within the week at least.
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Any ETA on the bonds system?! I am pretty excited to lock up my stash and earn some interest!!!!!  BTW the expanse chart looks real nice with that slow and steady uptrend from 18k to 27k
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Can't get myself to hold EXP. I have no issues trading and churning it.   Grin

the bonds and validators should be a good reason to hold exp longterm

People all have their different strategies and short-term traders also help with volume, so more power to them. I do quite well with a buy and hold strategy, and an abundance of patience, but that is certainly a learned skill in crypto.

Yes, the Bond system and Validator system are both designed to give more reasons to hold EXP off exchanges and lower resistance on the books. (Easier for the price to rise) Everything takes time, but our day will come Smiley

It also leaves it susceptible to a major slide as well if less people are trading.

I think for the moment, till the Validator system is in place, we'll have a unique opportunity to see how the market responds to the bond system with the current POW infrastructure. People have incentive to hold to make money through int earned through bonds though it does take a little while to get to a 1000 EXP while mining so they'll need to show a little patience which is often lacking in the crypto world.

Long term however fortune favors people who disciplined and patient. Its a time tested proven strategy.
What's the return on the bonds?

1% per month i think? 3 month contracts, which allows you to compound quarterly

With a 1% return & EXP being locked in for three months. Given the volatility, I definitely would not hold any EXP at all. Trading and churning would yield far better results without the risks.
 Tongue

Case point: You could get 1%, but in those 3 months the value of EXP could have slid 75% or more (which is not unrealistic in crypto). I definitely would not want to be stuck holding EXP in those scenarios.  Shocked  The risks outweigh the reward. It actually kind of reminds me that Paycoin (XPY) did something similar. That didn't work out so well.

Im sorry man but you're really short sighted. EXP has a very grass roots approach. They never raised even a single penny in crowd funding and they keep on delivering day after day month after month. I will keep buying EXP because I am a 100% sure that they will be the premier blockchain platform in the future.

with all of the consistent development, and supportive community, its surprising to me that Expanse seems to still be in the underdog phase. But all in due time, definitely has the potential to be in the top 10 (already is #1 in my mind)
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Can't get myself to hold EXP. I have no issues trading and churning it.   Grin

the bonds and validators should be a good reason to hold exp longterm

People all have their different strategies and short-term traders also help with volume, so more power to them. I do quite well with a buy and hold strategy, and an abundance of patience, but that is certainly a learned skill in crypto.

Yes, the Bond system and Validator system are both designed to give more reasons to hold EXP off exchanges and lower resistance on the books. (Easier for the price to rise) Everything takes time, but our day will come Smiley

It also leaves it susceptible to a major slide as well if less people are trading.

I think for the moment, till the Validator system is in place, we'll have a unique opportunity to see how the market responds to the bond system with the current POW infrastructure. People have incentive to hold to make money through int earned through bonds though it does take a little while to get to a 1000 EXP while mining so they'll need to show a little patience which is often lacking in the crypto world.

Long term however fortune favors people who disciplined and patient. Its a time tested proven strategy.
What's the return on the bonds?

1% per month i think? 3 month contracts, which allows you to compound quarterly

With a 1% return & EXP being locked in for three months. Given the volatility, I definitely would not hold any EXP at all. Trading and churning would yield far better results without the risks.
 Tongue

Case point: You could get 1%, but in those 3 months the value of EXP could have slid 75% or more (which is not unrealistic in crypto). I definitely would not want to be stuck holding EXP in those scenarios.  Shocked  The risks outweigh the reward. It actually kind of reminds me that Paycoin (XPY) did something similar. That didn't work out so well.

Im sorry man but you're really short sighted. EXP has a very grass roots approach. They never raised even a single penny in crowd funding and they keep on delivering day after day month after month. I will keep buying EXP because I am a 100% sure that they will be the premier blockchain platform in the future.
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thats some real mental gymnastics there, mr semantics.   Cheesy
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Update: The Expanse Bond System is releasing in days, BEFORE the newsletter unless there are unforeseen delays. So make sure and check out Expanse now. Offline interest coming soon with the Bond System, no need to run a system to stake coins, smart contract based!
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Can't get myself to hold EXP. I have no issues trading and churning it.   Grin

the bonds and validators should be a good reason to hold exp longterm

People all have their different strategies and short-term traders also help with volume, so more power to them. I do quite well with a buy and hold strategy, and an abundance of patience, but that is certainly a learned skill in crypto.

Yes, the Bond system and Validator system are both designed to give more reasons to hold EXP off exchanges and lower resistance on the books. (Easier for the price to rise) Everything takes time, but our day will come Smiley

It also leaves it susceptible to a major slide as well if less people are trading.

I think for the moment, till the Validator system is in place, we'll have a unique opportunity to see how the market responds to the bond system with the current POW infrastructure. People have incentive to hold to make money through int earned through bonds though it does take a little while to get to a 1000 EXP while mining so they'll need to show a little patience which is often lacking in the crypto world.

Long term however fortune favors people who disciplined and patient. Its a time tested proven strategy.
What's the return on the bonds?

1% per month i think? 3 month contracts, which allows you to compound quarterly

With a 1% return & EXP being locked in for three months. Given the volatility, I definitely would not hold any EXP at all. Trading and churning would yield far better results without the risks.
 Tongue

Case point: You could get 1%, but in those 3 months the value of EXP could have slid 75% or more (which is not unrealistic in crypto). I definitely would not want to be stuck holding EXP in those scenarios.  Shocked  The risks outweigh the reward. It actually kind of reminds me that Paycoin (XPY) did something similar. That didn't work out so well.

actually you get 3% in 3 months; to me it sounds like your simply trying to 'slide' expanse. Why? most likely because youre a trader trying to find a cheaper entry point. Sorry bud, this train is leaving the station, no more 20k expanse for you! Your intentions are definitely not trustworthy by making claims attributing similarities to Paycoin, like are you fucking serious right now?! Hashlets were a product of a ponzi (which inherently represented supposed mining power), with a bait and switch to sell paycoin, nothing at all comparable to innovative concepts such as a bond system on the blockchain, where expanse tokens are awarded as an extension to the PoW process.

I believe you are smarter than what you've just said. Unless you think I'm wrong.
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