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Topic: [ANN] FACTOM - Introducing Honesty to Record-Keeping - page 250. (Read 2115876 times)

legendary
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Thanks a lot for explanations through the last 3 pages.
I still view Factom only as a "sugar" that may attract customers without technical knowledge, but the same can be (and it already was partly) done around Bitcoin.

If "it is the same as with Bitcoin", how can you ensure the price for storing hashes is going to stay the same 0.01$, if the space in the blockchain is scarce ?

And why go through all the hassle through BTC-FCT-Factoid-EC if I just can use my BTC directly to store my hashes into Bitcoin blockchain ?

Sorry, too many questions Wink


It's possible to store Hashes directly into the Bitcoin-Blockchain, but while Bitcoin can handle only about 7 transactions per second, Factom can handle much much more - billions per day. Factom targets companies who would bloat the Bitcoin-blockchain if they would place their hashes directly. And btw: Factom reduces costs, it's much cheaper.

Regarding the EC-price: It's not the same as in Bitcoin. For now the $0.001 for 1 Entry is a fixed price. After M3, when Factom is running on 32 Servers (plus 32 Audit Servers) those servers will adjust the price a little bit like gold-fixing I believe. And since they are paid with Factoids, they have incentive to do it in the best Interest for a high Factoid-price. Practically that means: A lower prices would be an incentive to place more entries, a higher price would destroy more FCT per Entry but maybe a cost-barrier for customers. It will be about the perfect ratio.




Don´t know if somebody already posted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUmYI7A5Pzg

@.m. watch ~ 59. min for your question.



And who can explain ~min. 9.20 - min. 10. ..."you actually incorporating the actual data in the blockchain..."  I thought the only store the hash in the blockchain and the data in a database.

Because of the bad quality i can´t understand all words.
legendary
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Thanks a lot for explanations through the last 3 pages.
I still view Factom only as a "sugar" that may attract customers without technical knowledge, but the same can be (and it already was partly) done around Bitcoin.

If "it is the same as with Bitcoin", how can you ensure the price for storing hashes is going to stay the same 0.01$, if the space in the blockchain is scarce ?

And why go through all the hassle through BTC-FCT-Factoid-EC if I just can use my BTC directly to store my hashes into Bitcoin blockchain ?

Sorry, too many questions Wink


It's possible to store Hashes directly into the Bitcoin-Blockchain, but while Bitcoin can handle only about 7 transactions per second, Factom can handle much much more - billions per day. Factom targets companies who would bloat the Bitcoin-blockchain if they would place their hashes directly. And btw: Factom reduces costs, it's much cheaper.

Regarding the EC-price: It's not the same as in Bitcoin. For now the $0.001 for 1 Entry is a fixed price. After M3, when Factom is running on 32 Servers (plus 32 Audit Servers) those servers will adjust the price a little bit like gold-fixing I believe. And since they are paid with Factoids, they have incentive to do it in the best Interest for a high Factoid-price. Practically that means: A lower prices would be an incentive to place more entries, a higher price would destroy more FCT per Entry but maybe a cost-barrier for customers. It will be about the perfect ratio.

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I guess, there is a reason why FACTOM subscribers are almost exponentially growing. At first, I had several questions related this project but during its time I found most of the answers to them and I can say that I see great future in FACTOM. Good job  Wink
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Thanks a lot for explanations through the last 3 pages.
I still view Factom only as a "sugar" that may attract customers without technical knowledge, but the same can be (and it already was partly) done around Bitcoin.

If "it is the same as with Bitcoin", how can you ensure the price for storing hashes is going to stay the same 0.01$, if the space in the blockchain is scarce ?

And why go through all the hassle through BTC-FCT-Factoid-EC if I just can use my BTC directly to store my hashes into Bitcoin blockchain ?

Sorry, too many questions Wink


 

 A good simple use case would be a will. In court, Factom can prove that the will in question is correct and not been altered and latest copy.

 Factom is like a factual authority beyond question.  Factom creates fingerprints of objects like a passport and stores that fingerprint on its blockchain. After Factom gets to say a 100 different passports fingerprints it then creates another fingerprint of that stack and files that stack away by locking it into bitcoins block chain. Now customs scans passport's linked to the factom blockchain to check to see if that passport is valid and not altered.  

These are just a few use cases, basically any legal document, contract, any financial documents, titles of ownership, inter company documents, these are just a few off the top of my head.  


In factom , you have factoids and also have entry credits. Entry credits are like Ethereum gas.

Entry Credis are not a tradable token, large institutions who are forbidden from using cryptocurrency can use Factom. All they need is an EC key, which can be refilled by outsiders taking credit cards or PO orders. The outsiders would handle the vagaries of the market and all the regulatory uncertainty which might be involved.

purchased entry credits, factoids are removed from circulation. These factoids are not recaptured by the servers, and are gone forever.


I think these re-post might answer your questions.  


Adding entries to Bitcoin blockchain directly is very expensive
Prices for Bitcoin transactions are not stable. Cost for adding 1kb data to factom is.
You can't create custom chains on Bitcoin
To store data on Bitcoin blockchain you need to own Bitcoin and handle all the bookkeeping and legal stuff involved with having cryptos, which is a nogo for many companies. At Factom you buy EntryCredits which can't be traded and in the background Factoids get burned. That's a perfect abstraction layer to allow companies using a blockchain without dealing with cryptos.








Factom the hashes, and hashes are data, are stored forever - in Factom and the Bitcoin-Blockchain. But the data that is hashed is not stored by Factom. It has to be that way, because nobody would want to store personal data, like medical records, on a blockchain.

The sense is: Let's say a bank hashes transactions and places the hashes into Factom and Factom into the Bitcoin-Blockchain ---> one year or five years later the bank has proof that nothing was altered or deleted. If there would be a hash in Factom but the file is missing, it would reveal that data was deleted. If there is a file that doesn't match to the hash it was altered etc. Plus: It's also about organizing data and we talk about "big-data" here.

And Factom also can be used to hash access to data. Let's say you work for a bank and you log into your account - Factom can record that as hash (depends on the application, on how the bank uses Factom). And let's say you open a file and change it --> Entry into Factom. So it's not just about the data and hashes but also about responsibility. It makes it much harder to mess with data once it's recorded as hashes. And that is more powerful than most people think because it's not just about objective aspects like:


- Proof of Existence: a document existed in this form at a certain time.
- Proof of Process: a document existed and is linked to this new updated document.
- Proof of Audit: an updated document can be verified to have changed according to a set of rules.

...but also about the way people think and act. That's why it's called "honesty-system". It doesn't prevent dishonest behaviour, it doesn't make it impossible to manipulate or delete data. But Factom would reveal it.

To understand how powerful that is it needs some knowledge about how it's handled today and how much manipulation is going on everywhere on this world with data.



The actual data is stored by the companies as it is currently in their datacenters. With factom they create a merkle tree of this data or hashes of each file (as they like and dependent on use case) and store it in the factom blockchain. If they do it in regular intervals, they have a proofable hashed history of their data. This can be used to either check the integrity of the current data, or to audit the status of data back in history.
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Thanks a lot for explanations through the last 3 pages.
I still view Factom only as a "sugar" that may attract customers without technical knowledge, but the same can be (and it already was partly) done around Bitcoin.

If "it is the same as with Bitcoin", how can you ensure the price for storing hashes is going to stay the same 0.01$, if the space in the blockchain is scarce ?

And why go through all the hassle through BTC-FCT-Factoid-EC if I just can use my BTC directly to store my hashes into Bitcoin blockchain ?

Sorry, too many questions Wink
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Paul Snow said at the beginning that Factom was on the verge of making some big annoucements.

Big announcement? Other then M2?
legendary
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For those who missed the live-show:


The Crypto Show with the Factom crew Paul SNOW-den and Brian Deery
https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/the-crypto-show-with-the-factom-crew-paul-snow-den-and-brian-deery?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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Brian Deery and Paul Snow on Crypto Show live - http://thecryptoshow.com/listenlive/

Shot out to Tempus from Brian Deery ... Smiley
Great questions, btw.

Now I'm prominent! ;-)

Thanks to Brian for asking my questions, and to Paul for the answers!

Yes, thanks guys.
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my pleasure.
legendary
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Brian Deery and Paul Snow on Crypto Show live - http://thecryptoshow.com/listenlive/

Shot out to Tempus from Brian Deery ... Smiley
Great questions, btw.

Now I'm prominent! ;-)

Thanks to Brian for asking my questions, and to Paul for the answers!
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"I like to tell ppl it takes about a year to understand Bitcoin, and Factom is up there on that level." (ie takes same amount of time to understand)
—Brian Deery
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"In the coming weeks we'll have a testnet out for M2 ... "
(Paul Snow)
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Paul Snow said at the beginning that Factom was on the verge of making some big annoucements.

FCT is talking to group that wants to secure supply-chain for manufacturing.

Nice!  Thanks for the updates.  Keep them coming!
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Paul Snow said at the beginning that Factom was on the verge of making some big annoucements.
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FCT is talking to group that wants to secure supply-chain for manufacturing.
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If they say anything important, can someone state what it is here please.  I can't listen in right now.

yup
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If they say anything important, can someone state what it is here please.  I can't listen in right now.
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Brian Deery and Paul Snow on Crypto Show live - http://thecryptoshow.com/listenlive/

Shot out to Tempus from Brian Deery ... Smiley
Great questions, btw.
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Brian Deery and Paul Snow on Crypto Show live - http://thecryptoshow.com/listenlive/
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Do you guys have any questions you would like Paul to answer on the crypto show tonight?

How many employees does Factom anticipate having by the end of the year and the year that follows?
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