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Topic: [ANN] FlutterCoin FLT Proof Of Transaction Cash Back for Sending & Recieving - page 119. (Read 368041 times)

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Here's a cool story bros:  



Although I think you might regret doing that Mr.  1.9 million seller,  I can't say I blame you right now.  

It's me, sorry...

At first, I thought FLT coin is different like other pos coins...

so I have bought a lot of amount of FLT.. (2.9m - 40 btc more)

But I don't know what is POT so far. I have never seen it.

Price doesn't matter.

Decreasing buying support and low volume pressured me.

I have no flt now but I like this coin.

sometimes I'll buy back.

good luck.



Ah yes, what was that I was saying just before?  Oh yeah, this:  I think the problem with PoT is the message - it is very confusing at first, and it can turn off a lot of people because the way it is presented sounds like it either won't work (and cannot be readily tested to prove it does), or even if it works it won't matter in any meaningful way. 

DEVS:  IF you don't take control of the message, people have to figure out what it is on their own (or listen to someone else tell them FUD), and that usually does not end well.   

QED.
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Here's a cool story bros:  



Although I think you might regret doing that Mr.  1.9 million seller,  I can't say I blame you right now.  

It's me, sorry...

At first, I thought FLT coin is different like other pos coins...

so I have bought a lot of amount of FLT.. (2.9m - 40 btc more)

But I don't know what is POT so far. I have never seen it.

Price doesn't matter.

Decreasing buying support and low volume pressured me.

I have no flt now but I like this coin.

sometimes I'll buy back.

good luck.

sr. member
Activity: 370
Merit: 250
I got one PoT reward in March, and that's all. It's very hard to get PoT, you should be extremely lucky. This is the reason I don't understand why some people praise it so much. Yes, theoretically it's great, yes, it's a new feature (and I like innovations), and yes, you might catch this PoT... some day, somewhere, somehow... but in general for me personally it's almost non-existent and unimportant.

As of now I'd give more praise to PoS than to PoT because PoS can bring you a real profit while PoT is just a lottery with a small prize, and this prize will get lower and lower with block reward halving because PoS gives you 50% of the current PoW block reward. Let's say, If you could possibly win a $10 prize once a year would it really matter to you?

I'd like to see PoT given some kind of sliding scale so that every transaction can pay back a tiny amount (even if it's just barely a few satoshis or fluttaishis or whatever) or you can elect to notch it up to larger payouts that are more and more random.  That way if you want to take chances for fun, sure go for it and set it to 2500 FLT at max odds, or set it to 1 FLT at guaranteed odds - in both cases the minimum Xfer to qualify should be appropriate as well, i.e. the 1 FLT payout requires 100 FLT transfer.  I realize that PoT is basically a kind of one-transaction-at-a-time iterative mining process so the randomness of PoT rewards is derived from the natural randomness of mining a block. Given this, a PoT peer to peer reward pool might need to exist to take large PoT rewards and pool them into payout streams in order to make PoT 'feel' more like a reward system and less like a lottery for those who aren't really into the chance reward concept (which I suspect is most people).  

I agree with this statement that the PoT system needs to change to make it actually useful. I understand the concern about bots creating wallets and sending transactions back and forth 24/7 to trigger the PoT if it were made easier, but couldn't having some kind of Captcha recognition built in to mitigate that scenario?
No - PoT is determined by the mined block, and also this would eliminate all transactions originated via merchants.

But likely it will be made easier after the rewards drop - but the reward for PoT will also drop in turn - and the minimum transaction value will stay particularly high so transaction fees will eat up any potential rewards via automated systems.

Also, PoT usefulness is more than the reward's its more about security.

Perhaps you need to think of decoupling the PoT from the mined block...allow for more frequent rewards based on transactions so that it can gain more support to actually be used as a currency. If PoT were made more attractive, there'd be no reason not to use FLT like a currency and spend/receive. There is no other coin offering this benefit, but the way it is designed right now is not very effective for gaining interest in using it as a currency. In it's current format, it's way over hyped since so few ppl even receive a PoT reward...

I get what you are saying and agree that PoT is in need of some kind of rethinking to make it more generalized so that it is attractive to users for spending.  

But I don't think PoT can be decouple from mining because PoT *is* a form of mining.  The reward comes from the same place (and is subject to the same randomizing factors) that mining rewards come from - the 'mining' of a block.  And recall that mining's main purpose is to secure the blockchain by confirming transactions, the minting of coin (and distribution of it in the form of block rewards as compensation for the cost of transaction processing and keeping a costly full node running to bolster the network) is a secondary function.  

PoT is basically mining, but driven by transactions. You can think of PoW as non-stop mining, while PoT is iterative, mining a tiny bit on every transaction.  

PoT, like PoS, is first and foremost intended to decentralize the network away from dedicated mining by offloading the work of transaction confirmation processing from dedicated mining rigs and spreading it out to edge users and wallets.  

 PoS staking interest, like PoT rewards, is a form of compensation for keeping a node open to support the network (PoS) and using the coin to drive the economy the network supports (PoT)

In that sense it goes even farther toward the goals of "ASIC resistance" and decentralization than any of these new PoW algos like Scrypt-N and X11, Jane, etc.  Those algos merely put up passive barriers to slow the ASIC army's advance, whereas PoT and PoS actively starve it into submission.

I think the problem with PoT is the message - it is very confusing at first, and it can turn off a lot of people because the way it is presented sounds like it either won't work (and cannot be readily tested to prove it does), or even if it works it won't matter in any meaningful way.  What does Butterfly Effect actually mean in real terms of benefits to users, or miners, or investors or even merchants?  

A narrative focusing on very random and rare (and thus 'unbankable') PoT rewards is not going to get many people excited once they see how unlikely it is they will get one (especially as the rewards get miniscule with every block having).  But crypto people have a strong interest in making sure networks stay decentralized, just look at all the energy and effort and ink being used on ASIC resistance.  It's a huge, huge topic for us. Which is great because decentralization is what PoT actually does well.

Explaining that PoT is another arrow in the decentralization quiver will be much better received than saying you might randomly get a small amount of free FLT, because enthusiasm for this quickly turns to a cynicism once the whole story comes out about how rare that free payout actually is.


Or better yet, rethink the whole concept of PoT to make it much more spectacular than it already is.  If, say (just spitballing here), all PoT rewards accrued to a secured escrow "network owned" wallet somewhere and that wallet built up a large pool that randomly paid out like an actual lotto jackpot,  people would get very excited about that because they can relate to huge rewards that are extremely rare much more than small rewards that are kind of rare.  
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Any reason to the selloff this morning? Kinda strange turn for this coin, has been pretty steady recently and I saw good uptrends last few days.

Now this?  Why...

Now it makes me buy even more FLT, Top 30 here I come!!!

It is a bit strange. Perhaps to do with the fact that all ALT coins are on their arse right now. Who knows. I'm investing in more FLT's anyway. For every loser, theres a winner!
I noticed there doesn't seem to be a fluttercoin official forum as yet. Would anybody mind if I went ahead and launched a simplemachines Fluttercoin forum? I don't want any coins in return. I'm pretty good with PHP and Java so should be a piece of cake.



I think a lot of altcoin traders are here for the pump and dumps but this isn't one of those coins. When it sits steady or doesn't jump 100% people get bored, sell off and move on. It's a shame alt traders don't have more patience. This is a good coin with great devs, it's one of the long term coins.
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I got one PoT reward in March, and that's all. It's very hard to get PoT, you should be extremely lucky. This is the reason I don't understand why some people praise it so much. Yes, theoretically it's great, yes, it's a new feature (and I like innovations), and yes, you might catch this PoT... some day, somewhere, somehow... but in general for me personally it's almost non-existent and unimportant.

As of now I'd give more praise to PoS than to PoT because PoS can bring you a real profit while PoT is just a lottery with a small prize, and this prize will get lower and lower with block reward halving because PoS gives you 50% of the current PoW block reward. Let's say, If you could possibly win a $10 prize once a year would it really matter to you?

I'd like to see PoT given some kind of sliding scale so that every transaction can pay back a tiny amount (even if it's just barely a few satoshis or fluttaishis or whatever) or you can elect to notch it up to larger payouts that are more and more random.  That way if you want to take chances for fun, sure go for it and set it to 2500 FLT at max odds, or set it to 1 FLT at guaranteed odds - in both cases the minimum Xfer to qualify should be appropriate as well, i.e. the 1 FLT payout requires 100 FLT transfer.  I realize that PoT is basically a kind of one-transaction-at-a-time iterative mining process so the randomness of PoT rewards is derived from the natural randomness of mining a block. Given this, a PoT peer to peer reward pool might need to exist to take large PoT rewards and pool them into payout streams in order to make PoT 'feel' more like a reward system and less like a lottery for those who aren't really into the chance reward concept (which I suspect is most people).  

I agree with this statement that the PoT system needs to change to make it actually useful. I understand the concern about bots creating wallets and sending transactions back and forth 24/7 to trigger the PoT if it were made easier, but couldn't having some kind of Captcha recognition built in to mitigate that scenario?
No - PoT is determined by the mined block, and also this would eliminate all transactions originated via merchants.

But likely it will be made easier after the rewards drop - but the reward for PoT will also drop in turn - and the minimum transaction value will stay particularly high so transaction fees will eat up any potential rewards via automated systems.

Also, PoT usefulness is more than the reward's its more about security.

Perhaps you need to think of decoupling the PoT from the mined block...allow for more frequent rewards based on transactions so that it can gain more support to actually be used as a currency. If PoT were made more attractive, there'd be no reason not to use FLT like a currency and spend/receive. There is no other coin offering this benefit, but the way it is designed right now is not very effective for gaining interest in using it as a currency. In it's current format, it's way over hyped since so few ppl even receive a PoT reward...
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Any reason to the selloff this morning? Kinda strange turn for this coin, has been pretty steady recently and I saw good uptrends last few days.

Now this?  Why...

Now it makes me buy even more FLT, Top 30 here I come!!!

It is a bit strange. Perhaps to do with the fact that all ALT coins are on their arse right now. Who knows. I'm investing in more FLT's anyway. For every loser, theres a winner!
I noticed there doesn't seem to be a fluttercoin official forum as yet. Would anybody mind if I went ahead and launched a simplemachines Fluttercoin forum? I don't want any coins in return. I'm pretty good with PHP and Java so should be a piece of cake.

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Any reason to the selloff this morning? Kinda strange turn for this coin, has been pretty steady recently and I saw good uptrends last few days.

Now this?  Why...

Now it makes me buy even more FLT, Top 30 here I come!!!
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Can someone enlight me about POT, if I send all day long my flutter to my wallet I have a chance to mine some by FLT? whats the % chance?

Thanks
not good... LOL
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Can someone enlight me about POT, if I send all day long my flutter to my wallet I have a chance to mine some by FLT? whats the % chance?

Thanks
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Running on a super charged server (dual SSD disks and 32GB RAM) to ensure smooth mining and a very stable experience!!!

You can visit our pool here: http://flutter.speedminer.org

Any feedback / suggestions are greatly appreciated.
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So for the multipool, all I have to do is use my FLT address as the login ? Do you have to have a password or just use your FLT address as the password also?
U can use xyz or whatever for pass
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So for the multipool, all I have to do is use my FLT address as the login ? Do you have to have a password or just use your FLT address as the password also?
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these ppl dumping today gona regret it badly in the upcoming days Smiley


Couldn't agree more, i'm stocking up big time.  Grin I've been mining on the multipool and although it's not yet officially open i'm earning WAY more FLT per day than i was on the regular pools. This coin hasn't even begun to do what it's going to do! Can't wait, big things to come!

me too
Hi, could u please tell me the address of multipool, can't find it :-(. Thx
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these ppl dumping today gona regret it badly in the upcoming days Smiley


Couldn't agree more, i'm stocking up big time.  Grin I've been mining on the multipool and although it's not yet officially open i'm earning WAY more FLT per day than i was on the regular pools. This coin hasn't even begun to do what it's going to do! Can't wait, big things to come!

me too
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these ppl dumping today gona regret it badly in the upcoming days Smiley


Couldn't agree more, i'm stocking up big time.  Grin I've been mining on the multipool and although it's not yet officially open i'm earning WAY more FLT per day than i was on the regular pools. This coin hasn't even begun to do what it's going to do! Can't wait, big things to come!
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hello folks

wow so much doom and gloom , these ppl dumping today gona regret it badly in the upcoming days Smiley

 
beside halving every week . and the multipool ... an exiting news in the horizon about retailers , i did not want to pre announce the news this earlier but the work is almost done on a site accepting fluttercoin as the only payment option and it for something almost everyone needs from time to time Smiley . stay tuned
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