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Topic: [ANN] FlutterCoin FLT Proof Of Transaction Cash Back for Sending & Recieving - page 187. (Read 368065 times)

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the dev has said many times you can't game the system by sending back and forth.

Interesting - I'd like to read up on how this is prevented, since it seems you'd have to track who sent what to whom and add in some sort of 'PoT half life' that gradually reduces PoT rewards distributed over and over to the same addresses (or same wallets, though I am not sure how that would work).  

I am tempted to see if its possible to automate this as a kind of unit test of PoT, since if anything the last 30 years of computers has shown, if X is exploitable, X *will* get exploited so it's better to test it up front where you can see it than let it get tested in the dark where you won't know about it till something starts smoking.
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note for the owner of fluttercoin website ,

website is driven by wordpress + jupiter template from themeforest

flutter coin logo is too big for 4/3 screens . good for 16/9 but buggy with 4/3


you just have to reduce logo width and height .


and the windows wallet download link is dead



sorry for bad english ...
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it's a minimum of 500 coins to qualify for PoT.

the dev has said many times you can't game the system by sending back and forth.

but we do have a pass the flutter thread on here, just playing around trying to hit a PoT
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dumb question here, go easy on me gang.  

Do PoS and PoT have opposite incentives?  
As I understand it, PoS encourages holding, but PoT encourages spending.  
So are these forces cancelled out or diluted to half their strength (assuming they are equally rewarding for their respective loss of opportunity cost)?  

well, look at it this way. PoS gives you coins just like any other PoS coin. but if you happen to send or spend the coins, and least you have PoT with this coin. not so with any other coin.

Basically it's a no-brainer if you have to choose whether to pay with this currency or another one. It's like would you pay with your Visa and have the chance to get your money back 2x or would you pay with your MasterCard and not have that chance?

Also FLT rewards both people who hold and who move the coins so you are having the same options like 1. Keep your money in the bank and get a monthly interest rate or 2. Make them your preferred choice of payment and get cash-backs. I am giving examples from current payment systems, hopefully people will be able to understand easier how this coin combines the 2 most important drivers for consumers when they select currency and payment method of their choice. It's just a matter of time before merchants start to warm about the idea as they get the same benefits as well, since PoT works when you receive a payment as well.

And by the way this is coming from a person with 6 years of background in Online Payments sales working on a C level with some of the biggest Games and Forex companies.


OKay I got that far. Thanks.  

Next question is, does doing any sort of transaction at all trigger a PoT reward?  Can I just send 1000 FLT back and forth between 4 or 5 wallets and collect endless PoT rewards?  Not that I would do this myself but I am trying to see if there is an obvious game-able aspect to this concept.

Side note:  Does transferring the FLT between wallets reset the PoS waiting period to the beginning so if it is, say, 6 weeks, you have to hold it a full 6 weeks after receiving it)?
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dumb question here, go easy on me gang. 

Do PoS and PoT have opposite incentives?   
As I understand it, PoS encourages holding, but PoT encourages spending. 
So are these forces cancelled out or diluted to half their strength (assuming they are equally rewarding for their respective loss of opportunity cost)? 
What you're saying makes sense. I think one answer is that both activities - saving and transacting - secure the block chain. So part of the benefit to the coin has to do with security, not necessarily the incentives for what coinholders will do with the coins.

But as far as the cross-incentives, I think it's possible to view both spending and saving as complementary activities that create value for the coin in different ways. What hurts the value is when the only way to "spend" the coins is to toss them into the latest pump and dump. But as more real-world opportunities for purchasing goods and services arise, PoT incentivizes using the coin as an actual currency, which is good for value. Essentially, I think you're right to say the coin incentivizes apparently contradictory activities - it's just that a healthy economy needs both savers and spenders. Fiat money doesn't simply multiply itself (PoS) unless you specifically put it into some kind of interest-bearing account, nor does it offer you any particular reward for spending (PoT) unless merchants do it through offering giveaways or prize promotions or whatever. But there are people who invest fiat in interest-bearing accounts and there are people who spend money whenever the local department store is holding a raffle. Building PoS and PoT into the coin simply takes these things that people already do with fiat money and makes it automatic. These are things that paper money can't do, so time will tell if it's just a gimmick, but again, I think the way to think of it is that these activities are complementary rather than canceling each other out.
sr. member
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dumb question here, go easy on me gang.  

Do PoS and PoT have opposite incentives?  
As I understand it, PoS encourages holding, but PoT encourages spending.  
So are these forces cancelled out or diluted to half their strength (assuming they are equally rewarding for their respective loss of opportunity cost)?  

well, look at it this way. PoS gives you coins just like any other PoS coin. but if you happen to send or spend the coins, and least you have PoT with this coin. not so with any other coin.

Basically it's a no-brainer if you have to choose whether to pay with this currency or another one. It's like would you pay with your Visa and have the chance to get your money back 2x or would you pay with your MasterCard and not have that chance?

Also FLT rewards both people who hold and who move the coins so you are having the same options like 1. Keep your money in the bank and get a monthly interest rate or 2. Make them your preferred choice of payment and get cash-backs. I am giving examples from current payment systems, hopefully people will be able to understand easier how this coin combines the 2 most important drivers for consumers when they select currency and payment method of their choice. It's just a matter of time before merchants start to warm about the idea as they get the same benefits as well, since PoT works when you receive a payment as well.

And by the way this is coming from a person with 6 years of background in Online Payments sales working on a C level with some of the biggest Games and Forex companies.
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POS POW POT
the best is POS
But I don't see the POT...
sr. member
Activity: 336
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dumb question here, go easy on me gang. 

Do PoS and PoT have opposite incentives?   
As I understand it, PoS encourages holding, but PoT encourages spending. 
So are these forces cancelled out or diluted to half their strength (assuming they are equally rewarding for their respective loss of opportunity cost)? 

well, look at it this way. PoS gives you coins just like any other PoS coin. but if you happen to send or spend the coins, and least you have PoT with this coin. not so with any other coin.
sr. member
Activity: 370
Merit: 250
dumb question here, go easy on me gang. 

Do PoS and PoT have opposite incentives?   
As I understand it, PoS encourages holding, but PoT encourages spending. 
So are these forces cancelled out or diluted to half their strength (assuming they are equally rewarding for their respective loss of opportunity cost)? 
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Just a heads up for the Dev. Have just noticed a dead link on the fluttercoin home page.. When i click the windows wallet. I get the following 404 :

https://github.com/thekidcoin/fluttercoin/releases/download/v0.4.5.5-flt/fluttercoin-0.4.5.5-windows.zip

D.

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Some people might hate me for bringing the news earlier than expected but check these urls:

http://www.fluttercoinpool.com/
http://www.flutterpool.com/


The people who are doing this were professional enough to pin down both domain names.

two domain name ? why ?


Kind of a stupid question, so somebody else does not register it and mess up with your good work?

please stop taunt , i m here to learn from you


We're cool, mate. Please accept my apologies.

no problem , and sorry for my bad english
sr. member
Activity: 336
Merit: 250
Some people might hate me for bringing the news earlier than expected but check these urls:

http://www.fluttercoinpool.com/
http://www.flutterpool.com/


The people who are doing this were professional enough to pin down both domain names.

two domain name ? why ?


Kind of a stupid question, so somebody else does not register it and mess up with your good work?

please stop taunt , i m here to learn from you


We're cool, mate. Please accept my apologies.
member
Activity: 98
Merit: 10
Some people might hate me for bringing the news earlier than expected but check these urls:

http://www.fluttercoinpool.com/
http://www.flutterpool.com/


The people who are doing this were professional enough to pin down both domain names.

two domain name ? why ?


Kind of a stupid question, so somebody else does not register it and mess up with your good work?

please stop taunt , i m here to learn from you
sr. member
Activity: 336
Merit: 250
Some people might hate me for bringing the news earlier than expected but check these urls:

http://www.fluttercoinpool.com/
http://www.flutterpool.com/


The people who are doing this were professional enough to pin down both domain names.

two domain name ? why ?


Kind of a stupid question, so somebody else does not register it and mess up with your good work?
sr. member
Activity: 336
Merit: 250
member
Activity: 98
Merit: 10
Some people might hate me for bringing the news earlier than expected but check these urls:

http://www.fluttercoinpool.com/
http://www.flutterpool.com/


The people who are doing this were professional enough to pin down both domain names.

two domain name ? why ?
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i can understand english on the forum

but i know my english writing skill is very bad

Je vois un grand avenir derrière cette cryto-monnaie .
Désolé si je ne parle pas anglais

Translate french with google
sr. member
Activity: 336
Merit: 250
Some people might hate me for bringing the news earlier than expected but check these urls:

http://www.fluttercoinpool.com/
http://www.flutterpool.com/


The people who are doing this were professional enough to pin down both domain names.
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250

This weekend will be truly glorious.

Three days to go!!!

what do you mean by truly glorious.?

the sun will shine, everyone will go outside away from their computers and the cryptoworld will trundle along as usual (glorious)

Or fluttercoin will have its rise to 5k or even 10k satoshi!

months, not days.
sr. member
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The real rise will begin when miners are taken out of the game completely after a month or so. I just wish the PoS reward for the first year was higher than 5% so people had even more reasons to hold their coins.

People need to understand that the next 1-2 weeks might still be turbulent and not panic sell.
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