Topic: [ANN] Guncoin(GUN) - New GUN Core V2.0 Released - Masternodes are HERE! - page 66. (Read 187710 times)

Yes, there are lots of good options.  We can wait a few months- and issuing crypto is just going to get easier and easier.

But Bancor and the rest won't be live until the end of the year.  And the way Bancor works is that you have an option to issue coin on Bancor- but it issues ETH in reserve at first- so it will first integrate ERC20 tokens probably- again an argument for ETH and ERC20.

Again, I feel issuance is the easy part. We have to figure out the best use case I think and increase adoption.  Gold, silver, STL files, pooling 2A reserve fund contracts, etc?

Whatever we do- we have to make sure we have a community and are not a low volume coin- we don't want to get in that death spiral again where we get delisted off exchanges and volume collapses.

There's bancor. Create your own coin using chatbots. As of this post, they have yet to conduct their ICO.

BOScoin is coming out in October. It is pretty similar to Eth. But yeah, gotta wait until October to check it out. They have an active Slack though, maybe you could get in touch with them.

Also UBIQ and Verge could be options. UBIQ is an Eth fork I think, and Verge is supposed to be anonymous and the dev is cool and active and I think adding a token system.

I agree about ETH- it was forked and not stable and run by a dude in Canada...LOL.  But it's very functional right now.  That can of course change.  XCP on the other hand is built on BTC blockchain and almost impossible to fork or censor- but has the same high tx costs and data/smart contract limitations as BTC.

And also, I wouldn't worry about ETH, because it is becoming easier and easier to migrate tokens/coins to different blockchains.

We should really think about the most useful applications before going ahead with smart contracts, data file storage on a new gun blockchain.  We could also fork a blockchain like ETH and create our own blockchain like Ubiq did...but that has limitations too- we don't have the resources to maintain a complex blockchain ourselves.  It takes resources and the blockchain we fork from will always have an edge.

Option #1
So we're back to ETH or Waves or something.  I'm a proponent of ETH because it's widely-adopted ERC20 token will be easy to work with and transact and do what we need and low tx costs and very functional.  If you look at Vitalik's history, he is very anti-censorship and is continually molding ETH in that direction.  I know the fork was a huge issue.  But I think the trend in crypto is the emerging ability to painlessly move to a new blockchain.  If you look at new projects you will see it's becoming easier and easier for coins to switch to a new blockchain if the old one no longer meets their needs.  A good example was Storj.  Storj got off XCP because of high tx costs and pretty seamlessly moved to ETH.  They just gave the old coin holders new coins and had a ETH token offering.  So if Vitalik decides to try to censor us or cave to certain people- we can get up and move our blockchain to ETC or somewhere else.  But, I don't think he'll cave to authorities.  He's Russian...LOL...he's not a huge fan of globalism- probably why he's in crypto anyway.  But, if he does- we can move our blockchain to another platform.  And ETH will be super easy- we can make multiple ERC20 tokens- GUN-Gold, GUN-Silver, GUN-CAD (for STL files).  The great thing about ERC20 is that it's super simple.  And it's a standard, meaning you can keep all these assets on an ETH wallet, it's super easy for exchanges to list them.  The pros really do outweigh the cons with ERC20.


Option #2
The other option is to go full steam and build a new blockchain ourselves and focus on privacy and anti-censorship properties- like a Monero version of ETH.  There's Siacoin and MAID that are trying to create censorship proof data storage solutions.  Maybe we can try our own- but again, this second option is dev heavy- we need devS and resources.  But the payoffs will be there too.  This option is really hard.

That idea has been discussed before and is one thing on the table for serious consideration. Probably not so hard to implement either, but doing it in addition to everything else discussed could be tedious. I'd like to see a discussions of pros and cons on switching to POS or as I stated above, creating Gun-Silver that might use a different algorithm and be POS. It would have to be one thing at a time and then figure out the priorities of each relative to the other options.  Rolling in too many new bells and whistles at one time is a recipe for disaster.  Thanks for your ideas and thoughts.

Oh boy, Chicken Little is back for those who are not ignoring his posts by now !  XBEET, PartyBus, etc. etc. (some of them do not even exist any more!) - Whoever or whatever you are is totally irrelevant to me and really any one here.  If you have 10 names, that means you are a liar and a fraud and cannot be trusted.  You are and always will be a noobie - case closed on that.  Dabs has been around forever and seems to get by pretty well with one handle - everything he says and does carries a lot of weight because of that.  Why do you need so many aliases for one thread?  Simple - fraud and deceit and to sabotage the coin or manipulate its price. If you are an honest businessman as you claim, you would come out from behind the shadows and reveal yourself and do something or anything positive - that is not an option for you.  Your ONLY agenda is to takeover the coin and since I refuse to do that, you use your many aliases to sabotage it.  BTW, which alias exactly would you use to do take over???  Anyone who cannot see that is a fool.  Why would ANYONE trust a coin owner who uses multiple handles to pad his own agenda.  If other coins do that, who cares - not GUN.

As I said before, I have received over a dozen offers to buy, steal, con, scam, or threaten there way to take ownership of the coin. Maybe they were all one person - I know at least two of them were the same (different handles) because they were dumb enough to use the same catch phrases over and over again - I guarantee I did not respond to that second one after the threats made in the first one - I am happy to post that one if you want to share emails in public or others sent before that.  I can honestly say I responded to only 2-3 of them in total for taking the coin.  The rest were not worth my time as there was a severe lack of intelligence and common sense with almost all of them.  As I have said before, when a CREDIBLE person or party shows up with a CREDIBLE plan - not a bitching noobie, I am happy to entertain offers or ideas. You know the other option for so many handles is that as a noobie, there is the IGNORE link right by your name and most tune you out with it after your first flame with a new ID.  So if you have to keep creating new handles to be heard......so sad....Folks that is what that IGNORE button is for......

I find it hysterical - still laughing here - that someone with $5 million in trading volume has time, or even cares about our coin - seriously?  Much less, time to write a two page dump in this thread?  Who in the world buys that?  So do us all a favor and just go away and work on your next million in trading somewhere else and do not waste your precious time here. It must have cost you thousands in lost revenue to write that last post.  Then again, maybe you can't go anywhere else since school is out for the summer and you have nothing better to do.  If that is the case, I guess we can expect your presence here for a few more months.  But since all your GUN is gone, you really have no more reason to hang around it seems except to crash the coin, to be able to buy it back at lower prices and do your pump again?

As for all the great contacts that you have, why do you have to be the GUN owner to introduce them and get something going?  Isn't that part of community support?  Oh, yea, you want a CENTRALIZED coin, centered on YOU. You do not need to be the GUN owner to implement ANY of those great ideas - not doing so, shows your selfish desire to control the coin.  BTW, if you do decide to post some of MY EMAILS to one of your aliases or even your own - make sure you do NOT do any editing of the words to make your email or my response fit your agenda.  Your credibility is hanging in the balance as it is......

Next, OMG, I am still laughing at this one and it really is funny.  You know, full disclosure here folks - I have multiple credit cards, I have multiple bank accounts, I have multiple stock trading accounts, I have multiple FOREX trading accounts, I have multiple IRAs, I have multiple rental properties and the mortgages to go with them and worse yet, I even have multiple BTC wallets.  LOL, LOL - what sane person has just one and only one of any of those except may be a 25 year old just out of college. In other words, what fool in this day and age of hacking, keeps ALL their eggs in one basket? Seriously?  I have a different GUN wallet connected to every mining site I mine or did mine.  I have a different wallet connected to every exchange I traded on or trade in - that is called SECURITY and SAFETY and I HIGHLY recommend it to all of you.  So, it is perfectly legitimate to have 10 aliases on this forum or thread, but NOT legit to have multiple GUN wallets.......OMG - your sense of humor overwhelms me about as much as Kathy Griffin.  And by the way, when you trade fiat, you are leveraged to the hilt - sometimes as much as 1000 to 1.  In others words, you can control and actually trade $5 million with only $5000 of your own money.......Seriously....LOL. LOL

As I said before, right now we are looking for positive ideas for the best path forward.  Everything is on the table - but needs to be vetted with a dose of reality as to whether it is achievable and what resources are available to commit time and energy to do it. The push here is for a DECENTRALIZED coin with growing community support.  Please do not be distracted by Chicken Little on the nearby rooftop.  There are some of you out there I know - just keep the ideas and thoughts coming.  Identifying available resources as well is helpful - I appreciate the emails to date over the past week too.  So by now, I hope most of you have found that IGNORE button and used it as you see fit and we can move forward.  Again, thanks for your support.

Uh, I reply when the thread pops up in my "show new replies to your posts" ... when it's quiet, I'm busy with other stuff. I do have some few hundred guncoins from cpu mining. Never sold them.

But hey, hi, whoever you are. I'm doing better since 2014.

I'm not bashing ETH, just don't like the way it was handled... that's why Classic remains (ETC). You can go to that one, because "Code is Law" and it truly is immutable.

But the question we should be asking, is why? What do we firearms enthusiasts and 2A supporters need with a "Smart Contract" ? Will the blockchain be the equivalent of a microstamp on the money, if a crime is committed the GUNcoin goes back? No one would want that.

Anyway, whatever you guys decide, I'll switch to or migrate to that. I believe it would make more sense to just update from proof of work to proof of stake, that way, everyone who is a holder of the coin is also a miner/staker.

Agreed, LOL, my thinking exactly - you would be nuts to try that with any other coin than GUN that wants to be decentralized, even though some keep trying to push it to be a one man show....

ETH is "centralized" ... you sure you want that for a coin meant for firearms? And why even bother getting "smart" when a regular "dumb" coin will do, at least it is our own blockchain, not dependant on some 23 year old Russian immigrant to Canada who can fork the chain at will.

Again, when terms get used here, I like to see them defined for anyone passing through who is not familiar with them or how they work.  No one is going to talk about it if they do not understand it or never heard of it. While these are the talk of town now, not everyone is up to speed on them who reads this thread.

http://www.blockchaintechnologies.com/blockchain-smart-contracts

So, anything?  What are we going to do?  No interest from DefCad, I emailed them.  How are we going to move this coin forward.  Migrate to ETH and set up a smart contract blockchain?

Excellent....

Well, I'm mining one block a day with my CPU. 150 GUN per block now.

They could hack and DDOS websites.  But no one can hack or DDOS the XCP blockchain or BTC blockchain.  Even ETH... the DAO, but not ETH.

Problem is that XCP is slow with high transaction costs because XCP is smart contract blockchain built on BTC.  I think the best option would be to go on ETH for speed/functionality.

In terms of storage, we can use a host of options from Storj, Sia, to the Safenetwork (MAID).  All three of these options are open source and hard to censor.  I believe in the universal rights of man, so I don't care if the leftists attack.  The blockchain will still stand.

I think it would be important to have DefCad as a partner.  I don't know anyone there.  But we can contact them here:
https://defdist.org/contact-dd-2/

We can have STL data files for gun print designs and anything else on the blockchain that can be sold, transferred  etc...

I like the idea of embedding 3D gun files into the GUN blockchain.  Would that slow it down and how would that work with a Neo-scrypt coin like ours?  Since most who come across this may not be familiar with what the conversation is here, I have thrown a few high level overviews to get some GUN owners on the same page with the conversation.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurashin/2016/05/10/looking-to-integrate-blockchain-into-your-business-heres-how/#4b498dd51a15

http://www.coindesk.com/want-use-blockchain/

https://www.quora.com/How-can-blockchain-be-used-as-a-database-to-store-data

When GUN went to Neoscrypt in the Fall of 2014, there was a consensus with some that having multiple coins under the GUN label for multiple purposes seemed like a novel approach forward.  GUN would be a currency system, not just a currency like everyone else.  For example, GUN-Gold, GUN-Silver and GUN-Bronze.  One would be Neoscrypt, the other X11 and the other something else.  All 3 would be exchangeable at some preset rate.  However, with the lack of support we had back then, the thought of managing 3 coins lost favor with the team at the time.  However, having 3 working blockchains, each with a different purpose in life and containing different sets of data that could be exchanged for one another would seem to be a lot more attractive and potentially lucrative at this point in time.

One thing to keep in mind moving forward in that whatever the content is will probably not be very popular with far left wingers.  Not that I care, but they can wreak havoc on a website, etc. (technically, financially and legally) if they so choose. We have taken pretty good precautions with the main site to reduce if not eliminate the DDOS attack effects we see occasionally.  But offering 3d downloads, etc.  would put a red flag with fireworks on the site and anything connected to it.  HOWEVER, I think a blockchain as discussed, is almost immune to DDOS attacks correct?  If that is the case, that is the best path forward....

I escrowed another project that layers as a search engine on top of IPFS (Interplanetary File System). You might want to look into that.

With that system, you don't store the files themselves in the blockchain, you store the hashes or references to the files, which are stored in IPFS. IPFS can store giant movies. That's what all these "video and movie" coins have been doing.

I honestly think the biggest opportunity out there in terms of the future of GUN is using our coin is using our blockchain to store smart contracts and STL data files or STL data file ownership without a central authority.

That is the future.  Blockchain is supposed to bring about the permissionless and borderless unleashing of value and data uncensored by central authorities.  We have to leave the Wyoming LLCs on the shelf and look forward.

I think the best blockchain to use would be ETH due to functionality.  And XCP for safety, stability.

XCP is built on top of the bitcoin blockchain and BTC code is def law...but XCP is slow and expensive.  We also have to see how best to store "2A reserve fund" contracts and STL files.  Can one of you guys reach out to DefCad/DefenseDistributed people?  Putting STL gun files on the blockchain...we have to figure out the logistics of that.

ETC if you believe in "Code is Law" and don't want the threat of a possible fork if something else in ETH goes wrong like The DAO did.