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Topic: [ANN] Guncoin(GUN) - New GUN Core V2.0 Released - Masternodes are HERE! - page 88. (Read 187710 times)

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Well that's sortof my point. Why should an FFL or even a gun owner care about mining? Let the general network do that. For folks looking to use it as a transactional system, they just need to purchase coin. If you're trying to wholly shift away from exchanges at large, to the point where users/FFL's can "mine" their own transactions, then create a true closed-coin system where the FFL's are the exchanges, as has been done in other coins.

Guncoin is still relatively small, it wouldn't take much hardware to take over the chain on a new algo. That's the primary strength of using readily-available/cheap equipment to mine with such as ASIC, it provides security. Few transactional coins survive a major algo switch away from ASIC, and of those, they've almost all died out, leaving just a few to hold the fort.

Like I said, creative response and I like where your thinking is, but I just don't see the value of it unless you go completely closed with the coin. And I do hope to see things take off, I'm just making an observation.

For anyone curious, I have 0 GUN and no stake in the game.

Being a fan of firearms, let me give you the firearms owner perspective.

There is an issue right now, and it is getting worse on a regular basis, with financial institutions and firearms related products.  Right now paypal will not perform transactions for firearms related products, neither will JPMorgan Chase (visa) and others are joining or have already.  That leaves a very short list of options for transferring currency, and they run up to a 30% fee for these services.  Yes, bitcoin is an alternative, but with all the scrutiny and scams going on related to bitcoin, it scares a lot of people away.  This leaves guncoin as a viable option, once it is adopted.

Now, seeing as people buying and selling those products already need to be resourceful, and a great number of them are also computer literate (take a look at the gun forums, they have tens of thousands of members), giving them the opportunity to create their own coin, gives them a stake in the game.  But it lets them do it with their own computers, instead of them having to buy an asic that's just gonna sit in the closet making noise.  Hell, it can give them an excuse to upgrade the computer, now they can play better shoot-em-up games when they are not mining.

Being a miner, let me give you my miner's perspective.

Scrypt for small hashrate coins isn't a very good thing.  The hashrate for asics is growing exponentially.  For miners with big hashrate looking for profit, they can simply find a small coin, dominate the hashrate, and then dump the coins on the market with no regard for the purpose of the coin.  Mine it, dump it, and move on to the next most profitable coin.  Having mined this coin since the beginning, I've watched the hashrate, and the results. 

Every time a new batch of higher powered boxes come out, the mine and dump follows, pushing the coin value down.  Making my mining worth less. 


So how does asics, which lower the value of this coin, and take the mining ability away from the community that would use the coin, make the coin more secure? 

I get that you, looking at this strictly as just another crypto, wouldn't have the perspective to understand the dynamics around guncoin, this is why I gave you mine.  And I hope you get it.
sr. member
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Well that's sortof my point. Why should an FFL or even a gun owner care about mining? Let the general network do that. For folks looking to use it as a transactional system, they just need to purchase coin. If you're trying to wholly shift away from exchanges at large, to the point where users/FFL's can "mine" their own transactions, then create a true closed-coin system where the FFL's are the exchanges, as has been done in other coins.

Guncoin is still relatively small, it wouldn't take much hardware to take over the chain on a new algo. That's the primary strength of using readily-available/cheap equipment to mine with such as ASIC, it provides security. Few transactional coins survive a major algo switch away from ASIC, and of those, they've almost all died out, leaving just a few to hold the fort.

Like I said, creative response and I like where your thinking is, but I just don't see the value of it unless you go completely closed with the coin. And I do hope to see things take off, I'm just making an observation.

For anyone curious, I have 0 GUN and no stake in the game.


One more thing on exchanges - Last thing we want is FFLs or anyone to do with GUN running an exchange business of any kind.  For those here in the USA, these exchange businesses will not only require Money Transmitter Licensing in all states that they transact business, but the FINCEN will be all over them with reporting requirements coming REAL soon.

sr. member
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Well that's sortof my point. Why should an FFL or even a gun owner care about mining? Let the general network do that. For folks looking to use it as a transactional system, they just need to purchase coin. If you're trying to wholly shift away from exchanges at large, to the point where users/FFL's can "mine" their own transactions, then create a true closed-coin system where the FFL's are the exchanges, as has been done in other coins.

Guncoin is still relatively small, it wouldn't take much hardware to take over the chain on a new algo. That's the primary strength of using readily-available/cheap equipment to mine with such as ASIC, it provides security. Few transactional coins survive a major algo switch away from ASIC, and of those, they've almost all died out, leaving just a few to hold the fort.

Like I said, creative response and I like where your thinking is, but I just don't see the value of it unless you go completely closed with the coin. And I do hope to see things take off, I'm just making an observation.

For anyone curious, I have 0 GUN and no stake in the game.

Noted and no FFLs as exchanges is not where we are going - we just want the general gun enthusiasts or shop owner to be able to mine his own coins easily if he likes.  It is also a more secure algorithm than Scrypt and has been proven so.  FYI, Feathercoin just switched from Scrypt to Neoscrypt last Friday for those same reasons as Phoenixcoin and Imperial Coin did earlier..  Additionally, over the past months we have seen ASICs come online to mine GUN and our hash rate go from 30MH/s to 300 MH/s for a day or two and then die back to 5MH/s when the little guys quit.  This will stabilize the hashrate, even though a lot lower.  Like I said in the previous post - I prefer 100 miners mining 10 MH/s instead of 10 miners, mining 100 MH/s.  At the end of the day, the same number of coins are mined, but they are in the hands of a lot more.
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Well that's sortof my point. Why should an FFL or even a gun owner care about mining? Let the general network do that. For folks looking to use it as a transactional system, they just need to purchase coin. If you're trying to wholly shift away from exchanges at large, to the point where users/FFL's can "mine" their own transactions, then create a true closed-coin system where the FFL's are the exchanges, as has been done in other coins.

Guncoin is still relatively small, it wouldn't take much hardware to take over the chain on a new algo. That's the primary strength of using readily-available/cheap equipment to mine with such as ASIC, it provides security. Few transactional coins survive a major algo switch away from ASIC, and of those, they've almost all died out, leaving just a few to hold the fort.

Like I said, creative response and I like where your thinking is, but I just don't see the value of it unless you go completely closed with the coin. And I do hope to see things take off, I'm just making an observation.

For anyone curious, I have 0 GUN and no stake in the game.
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So, why was the algo being switched? I'm just curious. Because ASIC increases nethash and security, so logically that's not the reason right?

One of the reasons is because the coin is trying to get beyond forums and exchanges into the real world, where users can mine their own coin without having to buy an asic.

One of the more creative responses I've seen.

It is a true statement - we want a currency that all firearm users can mine and spend - not just a virtual coin that spends its life being traded by crypto traders.  ASICs just do not figure into that equation.  It will be hard enough to convince an East Texas gun store to use GUN for a currency, much less tell him he has to spend $1000 on an ASIC to earn 100 GUN per week just compete with the ASIC farms.  Letting his laptop run overnight and getting 10 coins is a much easier selling point and attractive to a wider audience.  Based on the IPC switchover last week, the number of miners increased by a factor of 10 and the prices tripled .......
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So, why was the algo being switched? I'm just curious. Because ASIC increases nethash and security, so logically that's not the reason right?

I gave a lengthy explanation with the announcement about a page or two back in this thread and not going to rehash it here (no pun intended).  Actually, Neoscrypt is much MORE secure than Scrypt and the small hash rate is not a bad thing if it brings in more miners and it will based on IPC that switched over last week - lots more miners than ever before.  Most importantly, we want to bring in non-crypto users.  More details and the rest is in the previous post.......

So just as a reminder to all, there are only a few more hours until GUN switches from SCRYPT to NEOSCRYPT - probably around 12 hours or so.  At this time, we have two pools supporting the Neoscrypt switchover so far.  They are listed on the main website and initial post of this thread.  We have Windows and Linux wallets ready at this time - having problems with out Apple environment, so that one is still missing.  So get your new wallet & get ready !
hero member
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So, why was the algo being switched? I'm just curious. Because ASIC increases nethash and security, so logically that's not the reason right?

One of the reasons is because the coin is trying to get beyond forums and exchanges into the real world, where users can mine their own coin without having to buy an asic.

One of the more creative responses I've seen.
sr. member
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So, why was the algo being switched? I'm just curious. Because ASIC increases nethash and security, so logically that's not the reason right?

One of the reasons is because the coin is trying to get beyond forums and exchanges into the real world, where users can mine their own coin without having to buy an asic.
hero member
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So, why was the algo being switched? I'm just curious. Because ASIC increases nethash and security, so logically that's not the reason right?
sr. member
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Looks like the algo switch is going to end up being a little before 3am EST tomorrow morning. 

Perfect timing, if you have insomnia..   Wink

Either get up early or stay up late.


I think I'm gonna aim for the 'get up early', as the alarm clock goes of at 4:45 and switchover is a lot closer to that.  Staying up late, would make for a rough day at work the next day...  Tongue
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Looks like the algo switch is going to end up being a little before 3am EST tomorrow morning. 

Perfect timing, if you have insomnia..   Wink

Either get up early or stay up late.
sr. member
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Looks like the algo switch is going to end up being a little before 3am EST tomorrow morning. 

Perfect timing, if you have insomnia..   Wink
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YIPPIE!!!  Stickers are coming this week!!!

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ready for neoscrypt  https://gun.theblocksfactory.com/

Excellent news - thanks so much.  Hopefully, out switchover will go as well as the IPC one did last week.  We appreciate your adding GUN to your pool and the fact that your pool has been successful with Neoscrypt coins recently.  We will add you to our website and get some backlinks to our page in your pool - thanks again!
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The network hashrate is still climbing on gun..  It's about doubled since the announcement of the switch, from the low 90's to over 200 mh/s.

And still a lot of guesswork on GPU mining for neoscrypt, so CPU's will likely be the majority of the mining after the switch.

Hey I am perfectly OK, with nothing but CPUs mining GUN for a while.  Been watching IPC since the switchover.  They got 15-20 Miners in one pool, all but 3-4 just running CPUminer - probably laptops - including mine.  I am getting about 100 coins every 1-2 hours.  They are doing 1000 coins/block at 5 minute intervals.  So you can do the arithmetic for GUN and figure out what we would be doing.  What we will see is far more miners than ever before.  Many have had no ASICs and will not even bother to try mining with CPUs or even GPUs - once we switch to Neoscrypt, the field is leveled.   When all is said and done - the same number of coins will get mined each day if the total hash rate is 300 MH/s or 3 MH/s I think and I am willing to bet it will be more miners contributing to the 3 MH/s mining effort.
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The network hashrate is still climbing on gun..  It's about doubled since the announcement of the switch, from the low 90's to over 200 mh/s.

And still a lot of guesswork on GPU mining for neoscrypt, so CPU's will likely be the majority of the mining after the switch.
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What's the estimated date and time for block 120,000? I'll just be cpu mining, hehe.

About 4.3 days from now or Monday afternoon EST..


We anticipate that this will go smoothly like the other coins who have switched.  Please make sure that you have your new wallets for Neoscrypt up and running before hand.  We know there will be at least two pools available and we will make sure their information is available before the switchover.
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What's the estimated date and time for block 120,000? I'll just be cpu mining, hehe.

About 4.3 days from now or Monday afternoon EST..
legendary
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The Concierge of Crypto
What's the estimated date and time for block 120,000? I'll just be cpu mining, hehe.
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