[ANN] [HVC] Heavycoin - Ultra-secure, Decentralized Block Reward Voting, Fast - page 18.

mumbly

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Quote from: Dallski on July 28, 2014, 12:50:11 PM

Thanks for your help Mumbly! I think you are singlehandedly keeping this coin valuable.

Thanks man.

To be a total weirdo and be completely honest - I'm trying to learn how to accept a compliment right now - so, thanks. I hoped to be more instrumental in you getting your coins back, but as long as you have them back we have the result we wanted

So random topics of discussion for everyone:

- Has anyone played around with block explorer software before? I'm trying to figure this out

- I've been looking in to the Weimar Republic and notgeld notes, it's interesting to look at these in regard to alt coins. To my mind, there seems to be a parallel in some regards.

Thoughts?

Cheers,
M

Dallski

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Quote from: mumbly on July 28, 2014, 07:39:33 AM

Quote from: Dallski on July 28, 2014, 12:48:00 AM

RESOLVED! Only took a month, but I figured it out on my own. If you are withdrawing BTC, make the request, and wait for no email to show up, as usual. On the 51BTC website, when you are looking at your withdrawals page, change your language to Chinese in the upper right hand corner. Then when the page changes to Chinese, try to remember where the "Recheck" link was next to your request. Click the Chinese characters for "Recheck" (重新验证) and you will finally receive your confirmation email.

Hey Dallski - great news and well done man. I know what it's like to have some coins locked up somewhere and not being sure you'll see them again, not a good feeling. Glad this worked out for you.

@asdf55 - I think you're right with the bouncing - I know block times vary but didn't put the two together. I'm going to point your messages out to the coin devs and see if they have any thoughts to share.

Cheers,
M

Thanks for your help Mumbly! I think you are singlehandedly keeping this coin valuable.

With regard to 51BTC, I'm not going to knock them over a bug. There is a difference between fraud and a coding error. While I'm not scared to trade there again, I don't think they are ready for the world market yet. The fact that I'm the first one with this problem tells me that they are pretty exclusively in the Chinese market...or maybe I'm just daft.

mumbly

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Quote from: Dallski on July 28, 2014, 12:48:00 AM

RESOLVED! Only took a month, but I figured it out on my own. If you are withdrawing BTC, make the request, and wait for no email to show up, as usual. On the 51BTC website, when you are looking at your withdrawals page, change your language to Chinese in the upper right hand corner. Then when the page changes to Chinese, try to remember where the "Recheck" link was next to your request. Click the Chinese characters for "Recheck" (重新验证) and you will finally receive your confirmation email.

Hey Dallski - great news and well done man. I know what it's like to have some coins locked up somewhere and not being sure you'll see them again, not a good feeling. Glad this worked out for you.

@asdf55 - I think you're right with the bouncing - I know block times vary but didn't put the two together. I'm going to point your messages out to the coin devs and see if they have any thoughts to share.

Cheers,
M

Dallski

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Quote from: mumbly on July 22, 2014, 09:14:08 AM

Quote from: Dallski on July 19, 2014, 03:26:22 PM

Has anyone been able to withdraw BTC from the 51BTC exchange? I traded some HVC there at the end of June and have been trying unsuccessfully to withdraw my BTC from there since then. I get all their other emails, just not the withdrawal confirmation email. Support is no help, they just say to check my confirmation email (which I never get).

Hey folks,

I don't want to leave this just hanging out there - Dallski has contacted me and we're going to approach 51BTC together, I'll let Dallski get back to us all to confirm how this worked out.

Cheers,
M

RESOLVED! Only took a month, but I figured it out on my own. If you are withdrawing BTC, make the request, and wait for no email to show up, as usual. On the 51BTC website, when you are looking at your withdrawals page, change your language to Chinese in the upper right hand corner. Then when the page changes to Chinese, try to remember where the "Recheck" link was next to your request. Click the Chinese characters for "Recheck" (重新验证) and you will finally receive your confirmation email.

asdf55

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Just a reminder, block reward is 437 HVC and it will change in ~100 blocks at block 100800 that will be in ~3.5 hours.

You can see the change here: http://heavycoin.github.io/voting-graph.html

and then open wallet and you will clearly see the bug I am talking about.

asdf55

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Quote from: mumbly on July 23, 2014, 08:53:18 AM

I've been watching the "when" number on my wallet tonight and it is bouncing up and down as far as I can see, not sure of the exact behaviour yet, but something is definitely happening. If anyone has any ideas where this is happening in the code, or just logically what may be going on I'm sure we'd all like to hear ideas.

You are referring to normal bouncing of ''when'' number depending of the last block duration. Block time is not constant, sometime is less than 2min and sometimes is more than 2min. But average block duration is 2min. If last block time was a little longer than 2min ''when'' number will be a little higher.

Block reward change is based on block count. Every 3600 blocks we have a change of block reward, depending of averaged votes. Last block reward change was at block 97200 so you should add 3600 blocks and you will get next block reward change (at block 100800). Bug in the wallet I have noticed is not about those little ''when'' number fluctuations it is about completely wrong time and block count when wallet resets vote averaginig. Blockchain reseted vote averaging at block 97200 but wallet did that a whole day after (~750 blocks after) at block~97950.

This is wallet now:

Averaged votes number should be 2080 votes, we have 1520 votes until block reward change that is in ''when: 2.1 days''. So when block reward change in 2days wallet will display 1 day until block reward change.

mumbly

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Quote from: asdf55 on July 22, 2014, 10:58:27 AM

Reference for previous block changes
http://hvc.42tx.com/block/97200
http://hvc.42tx.com/block/97201

3600 blocks before that
http://hvc.42tx.com/block/93600
http://hvc.42tx.com/block/93601

3600 blocks before that
http://hvc.42tx.com/block/90000
http://hvc.42tx.com/block/90001

And also there is a bug in 42tx block explorer, it could not display some blocks. for example block change at 86400 and some block before and after that so we need a working block explorer asap.

Hey asdf55,

Thanks for the info, you are right, something is happening.

I've been watching the "when" number on my wallet tonight and it is bouncing up and down as far as I can see, not sure of the exact behaviour yet, but something is definitely happening. If anyone has any ideas where this is happening in the code, or just logically what may be going on I'm sure we'd all like to hear ideas.

RE: we need block explorers - I couldn't agree more.

I'm going to continue to look in to beefing up hvcstats.com to be a full block explorer, but if anyone has any ideas or information on how to get this done quickly, or interested in setting up their own block explorer, please do post here or PM me.

Cheers,
M

asdf55

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Quote from: mumbly on July 22, 2014, 09:40:23 AM

Could you try explaining the problem and how you have found the potential fault? Just pure maths from the block time, or is there a third party reference we should be looking at?

Reference for previous block changes
http://hvc.42tx.com/block/97200
http://hvc.42tx.com/block/97201

3600 blocks before that
http://hvc.42tx.com/block/93600
http://hvc.42tx.com/block/93601

3600 blocks before that
http://hvc.42tx.com/block/90000
http://hvc.42tx.com/block/90001

And also there is a bug in 42tx block explorer, it could not display some blocks. for example block change at 86400 and some block before and after that so we need a working block explorer asap.

asdf55

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Quote from: mumbly on July 22, 2014, 09:40:23 AM

Quote from: asdf55 on July 21, 2014, 10:27:39 AM

http://hvcstats.com/getnextrewardwhenstr
Returns an estimate of how long until the block reward votes will be tallied (human readable). -Says block change in 19.9 Hours

Not correct. As I mentioned in posts before, block reward will change at block 97200 because last block reward change was at block 93600. That is in ~ 80minutes... So your count is wrong and also wallet count is wrong...

Hey asdf55,

Apologies, I think I missed the meaning of your earlier posts.

Just to let you know, I'm not one of the coin devs but if we identify a legit issue with the wallet I can make sure they take a look at it.

http://hvcstats.com = basically a hosted version of the HVC wallet to expose the API, so if the problem exists with the wallet it'll show up there also.

Could you try explaining the problem and how you have found the potential fault? Just pure maths from the block time, or is there a third party reference we should be looking at?

I took a quick look at these two calls:
http://hvcstats.com/getnextrewardwhensec
http://hvcstats.com/getnextrewardwhenstr

The seconds that the first call returns seem to agree with the second call, so I don't believe that there is a problem converting the seconds to a human readable format.

But also (and I haven't check this in detail) when I looked at http://hvcstats.com/getnextrewardwhensec twice over five minutes it *seemed* like it gained 1000 seconds - not verified, just something I think I noticed.

Does anyone else have an opinion, or otherwise think they can see an issue? If we can identify that there is a problem and how exactly to see it I know it will save the devs a bunch of time debugging the code.

Cheers,
M

EDIT: try this:
- open http://hvcstats.com/getnextrewardwhensec
- wait five minutes, then refresh - it seems like it does add 1000 seconds - is there an explanation or is there a fault here?

http://hvcstats.com/getnextrewardwhensec
http://hvcstats.com/getnextrewardwhenstr

those are not correct, it displays block reward change in about 3hrs from now, but it will not change in 3hrs, because block change was yesterday.

Let me try to explain on this example:

We are now at block ~97860
Block reward changed yestarday at block 97200 (next block reward change is at block 97200+3600=100800)
So instead ’’avereged 3524’’ should stand ’’avereged 660’’ (97860-97200)
Insead of ’’ When: 3,0 hours’’ should stand ’’When:4,08 days ’’ (3600blocks-660blocks=>2940blocks *2minperblock=>5880min /60minper hour=>98hours/24hperday=>4,08days)

mumbly

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Quote from: asdf55 on July 21, 2014, 10:27:39 AM

http://hvcstats.com/getnextrewardwhenstr
Returns an estimate of how long until the block reward votes will be tallied (human readable). -Says block change in 19.9 Hours

Not correct. As I mentioned in posts before, block reward will change at block 97200 because last block reward change was at block 93600. That is in ~ 80minutes... So your count is wrong and also wallet count is wrong...

Hey asdf55,

Apologies, I think I missed the meaning of your earlier posts.

Just to let you know, I'm not one of the coin devs but if we identify a legit issue with the wallet I can make sure they take a look at it.

http://hvcstats.com = basically a hosted version of the HVC wallet to expose the API, so if the problem exists with the wallet it'll show up there also.

Could you try explaining the problem and how you have found the potential fault? Just pure maths from the block time, or is there a third party reference we should be looking at?

I took a quick look at these two calls:
http://hvcstats.com/getnextrewardwhensec
http://hvcstats.com/getnextrewardwhenstr

The seconds that the first call returns seem to agree with the second call, so I don't believe that there is a problem converting the seconds to a human readable format.

But also (and I haven't check this in detail) when I looked at http://hvcstats.com/getnextrewardwhensec twice over five minutes it *seemed* like it gained 1000 seconds - not verified, just something I think I noticed.

Does anyone else have an opinion, or otherwise think they can see an issue? If we can identify that there is a problem and how exactly to see it I know it will save the devs a bunch of time debugging the code.

Cheers,
M

EDIT: try this:
- open http://hvcstats.com/getnextrewardwhensec
- wait five minutes, then refresh - it seems like it does add 1000 seconds - is there an explanation or is there a fault here?

mumbly

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Quote from: Dallski on July 19, 2014, 03:26:22 PM

Has anyone been able to withdraw BTC from the 51BTC exchange? I traded some HVC there at the end of June and have been trying unsuccessfully to withdraw my BTC from there since then. I get all their other emails, just not the withdrawal confirmation email. Support is no help, they just say to check my confirmation email (which I never get).

Hey folks,

I don't want to leave this just hanging out there - Dallski has contacted me and we're going to approach 51BTC together, I'll let Dallski get back to us all to confirm how this worked out.

Cheers,
M

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Quote from: mumbly on July 21, 2014, 08:31:41 AM

Quote from: fredeq on July 18, 2014, 11:49:08 AM

Getdifficulty and blockcount mainly. Block reward would be great too.

Hey man,

I believe I have those covered on http://www.hvcstats.com already - feel free to reference them:

Getdifficulty:
http://hvcstats.com/getdifficulty

blockcount:
http://hvcstats.com/getblockcount

Block reward:
http://hvcstats.com/getreward

I'm looking in to making it a full blown block explorer, but bare with me.

Quote from: Dallski on July 19, 2014, 03:26:22 PM

Has anyone been able to withdraw BTC from the 51BTC exchange? I traded some HVC there at the end of June and have been trying unsuccessfully to withdraw my BTC from there since then. I get all their other emails, just not the withdrawal confirmation email. Support is no help, they just say to check my confirmation email (which I never get).

@Dallski - that's wierd - would you like to PM me your message to their support? I'm talking to the guys via BitMessage and would be happy to help you figure this out if I can.

Cheers,
M

Thank you, I will implement it asap.

asdf55

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Quote from: mumbly on July 21, 2014, 08:31:41 AM

I believe I have those covered on http://www.hvcstats.com already - feel free to reference them:

http://hvcstats.com/getnextrewardwhenstr
Returns an estimate of how long until the block reward votes will be tallied (human readable). -Says block change in 19.9 Hours

Not correct. As I mentioned in posts before, block reward will change at block 97200 because last block reward change was at block 93600. That is in ~ 80minutes... So your count is wrong and also wallet count is wrong...

mumbly

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Quote from: fredeq on July 18, 2014, 11:49:08 AM

Getdifficulty and blockcount mainly. Block reward would be great too.

Hey man,

I believe I have those covered on http://www.hvcstats.com already - feel free to reference them:

Getdifficulty:
http://hvcstats.com/getdifficulty

blockcount:
http://hvcstats.com/getblockcount

Block reward:
http://hvcstats.com/getreward

I'm looking in to making it a full blown block explorer, but bare with me.

Quote from: Dallski on July 19, 2014, 03:26:22 PM

Has anyone been able to withdraw BTC from the 51BTC exchange? I traded some HVC there at the end of June and have been trying unsuccessfully to withdraw my BTC from there since then. I get all their other emails, just not the withdrawal confirmation email. Support is no help, they just say to check my confirmation email (which I never get).

@Dallski - that's wierd - would you like to PM me your message to their support? I'm talking to the guys via BitMessage and would be happy to help you figure this out if I can.

Cheers,
M

Dallski

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Has anyone been able to withdraw BTC from the 51BTC exchange? I traded some HVC there at the end of June and have been trying unsuccessfully to withdraw my BTC from there since then. I get all their other emails, just not the withdrawal confirmation email. Support is no help, they just say to check my confirmation email (which I never get).

fredeq

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Getdifficulty and blockcount mainly. Block reward would be great too.

mumbly

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Quote from: fredeq on July 18, 2014, 01:03:30 AM

Thank you. I could use any other API out there but there are none.

Hey man,

No worries - I've reached out to heavycoin.info and waiting to hear back from them.

I set up an open node on the network which could possibly work as a back up for us (http://hvcstats.com) - out of curiosity, what are the api calls that you need? I'm curious to see if I can get them working on this server.

Cheers,
M

fredeq

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Quote from: mumbly on July 17, 2014, 07:04:14 AM

Quote from: fredeq on July 17, 2014, 03:31:29 AM

Please fix block explorer.

Hey fredeq,

You mean heavychain.info yeah? I didn't realise they were down until you pointed it out.

Let me reach out to them and see if they can let us know what's happening.

Cheers,
M

Thank you. I could use any other API out there but there are none.

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Quote from: asdf55 on July 17, 2014, 07:40:23 AM

Block reward changed yesterday at block 93600 from 503 to 449.
My wallet display ''avereged 3444 votes'' and 42tx.com display ''4.9 Hours until the next reward'' .
Reward should change every 5 days or 3600 blocks. Is this too early?

regarding this, wallet just reset counting all is good on blockchain and there is no reward change. It's just a wallet display bug.

edit: pic

asdf55

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Block reward changed yesterday at block 93600 from 503 to 449.
My wallet display ''avereged 3444 votes'' and 42tx.com display ''4.9 Hours until the next reward'' .
Reward should change every 5 days or 3600 blocks. Is this too early?

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