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Some questions for InChain team:
- What events are you going to insure in bitsquare.io? This is decentralized exchange.

From their whitepaper:

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Bitsquare holds these values in every aspect of the project:
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- Infrastructure (P2P network ­ there are no servers)
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- Never hold users funds (neither bitcoins nor fiat)
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- Never hold users data (no account registration)


We still don't analyse the decentralised exchanges. I can say nothing about their risks.


So you did not analyze the exchanges you have selected to insure? Are you serious?

Yes, we did not analyze exchanges yet. For this needs the finalised insurance model that is in progress. In the model, the list of exchanges pointed as an example.
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Some questions for InChain team:
- What events are you going to insure in bitsquare.io? This is decentralized exchange.

From their whitepaper:

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Bitsquare holds these values in every aspect of the project:
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- Infrastructure (P2P network ­ there are no servers)
­
- Never hold users funds (neither bitcoins nor fiat)
­
- Never hold users data (no account registration)


We still don't analyse the decentralised exchanges. I can say nothing about their risks.


So you did not analyze the exchanges you have selected to insure? Are you serious?
Table from your financial plan. Check the fourth line.


By the way, Coinbase (first line from the above table) wallets are insured already.
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Coinbase is insured against theft and electronic compromise in an amount that exceeds the average value of bitcoin and ether it holds online at any given time. Specifically, Coinbase's insurance policy would respond to losses resulting from a breach of our physical security, cyber security, or as a result of employee theft.
 
Coinbase has held this insurance since November 2013 with highly rated carriers (S&P rating of A+ or A.M. Best Rating of A XV or higher).
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1) We are selling new value coins rather than DAO tokens during our ICO
Still ETH based?

Yes

- To invest in the DAO. The DAO is not a legal entity.
Will it come with voting rights and dividends?

Voting: yes, dividends: in the hands of Inchain DAO by voting

3) We create a legal entity, which will be servicing the platform
Will ico buyers still be owners of that?

Nope. This legal entity will serve Inchain DAO. But Inchain DAO will act as an independent entity.
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If by chance, inchain goes into loss. Would the token holders still get dividends?

Can you tell me, what is more beneficial, investing in ICO to become shareholder or investing in Insurance linked bonds? Can you explain effects on each of this if inchain goes into loss ?

I pray, that inchain makes big profits, just asking out of curiosity.

Good question, thank you.
About dividents: decision about dividends in the hands of Inchain DAO. So, the Inchain DAO will decide to pay it or not.

I think the best way is to become Inchain DAO member, hold some INC as a deposit, and invest in bonds.  Wink
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If by chance, inchain goes into loss. Would the token holders still get dividends?

Can you tell me, what is more beneficial, investing in ICO to become shareholder or investing in Insurance linked bonds? Can you explain effects on each of this if inchain goes into loss ?

I pray, that inchain makes big profits, just asking out of curiosity.
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Haven't followed this thread lately - have you managed to provide any proof of identity of any of the dev team? Perhaps any video interview etc?
Have you decided on escrowing funds? If so, any details?

Hi,

Yes, we already made 2 google hangouts, some fragment you can see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arYVrqo-ICI
Also, proof from Ambisafe: https://www.ambisafe.co/blog/inchain-announcement

Next hangout is scheduled next Tuesday.

We have two escrow: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16364022


ambisafe link no found, escrows are good, both reliable guys.

Ambisafe: https://www.ambisafe.co/blog/inchain-announcement/
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Haven't followed this thread lately - have you managed to provide any proof of identity of any of the dev team? Perhaps any video interview etc?
Have you decided on escrowing funds? If so, any details?

Hi,

Yes, we already made 2 google hangouts, some fragment you can see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arYVrqo-ICI
Also, proof from Ambisafe: https://www.ambisafe.co/blog/inchain-announcement

Next hangout is scheduled next Tuesday.

We have two escrow: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16364022


ambisafe link no found, escrows are good, both reliable guys.

Strange, but it opens only with slash at the end
https://www.ambisafe.co/blog/inchain-announcement/
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Some questions for InChain team:
- What events are you going to insure in bitsquare.io? This is decentralized exchange.

From their whitepaper:

Quote
Bitsquare holds these values in every aspect of the project:
­
- Infrastructure (P2P network ­ there are no servers)
­
- Never hold users funds (neither bitcoins nor fiat)
­
- Never hold users data (no account registration)


We still don't analyse the decentralised exchanges. I can say nothing about their risks.

- How will Ethereum smart contracts handle Bitcoin bonds and insuranse policies? Ethereum smart contracts can directly control ETH or Ethereum-based tokens only.

Redirected your question to our dev. The answer will be soon.

From the interview:

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Smith+Crown: Are you worried that tokenholders will decide not to engage your team for DAO committees?
That?s a very good question. It depends on the distribution of the tokens. For example, if we assume that 30% of the tokens are controlled by one person, this might be an issue. We don?t have an idea right now how we are going to deal with this. I think there should be a limit, according to which every individual can have 5% or 10% at most. We also might need to do KYC for investors.

- How will you control the tokens amount per person during the ICO?

During ICO we can't control because before it finished we don't know the result investments values.

So, because the tokens will be listed on the exchanges and anyone can buy it and came to DAO I still don't see how to manage token distribution without KYC.
Do you have any suggestions about the decision?
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waiting Inchain ICO..... Smiley
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I did my own market analysis (if you are interested I can post the detailed info at some blog later)

Thank you. You really did a good job.
It will greatable if you will post the details as soon as possible.

Let's up spend some time to explore it.
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Haven't followed this thread lately - have you managed to provide any proof of identity of any of the dev team? Perhaps any video interview etc?
Have you decided on escrowing funds? If so, any details?

Hi,

Yes, we already made 2 google hangouts, some fragment you can see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arYVrqo-ICI
Also, proof from Ambisafe: https://www.ambisafe.co/blog/inchain-announcement

Next hangout is scheduled next Tuesday.

We have two escrow: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16364022


ambisafe link no found, escrows are good, both reliable guys.
full member
Activity: 140
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Haven't followed this thread lately - have you managed to provide any proof of identity of any of the dev team? Perhaps any video interview etc?
Have you decided on escrowing funds? If so, any details?

Hi,

Yes, we already made 2 google hangouts, some fragment you can see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arYVrqo-ICI
Also, proof from Ambisafe: https://www.ambisafe.co/blog/inchain-announcement/

Next hangout is scheduled next Tuesday.

We have two escrow: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16364022
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Price of ICO?  Cool
price is not necessarily, if ico sales reach the target 30kbtc, ico prices will 30ksatoshi Smiley
wowo 30k sat is good  Roll Eyes
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Price of ICO?  Cool
price is not necessarily, if ico sales reach the target 30kbtc, ico prices will 30ksatoshi Smiley
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1) We are selling new value coins rather than DAO tokens during our ICO
Still ETH based?

- To invest in the DAO. The DAO is not a legal entity.
Will it come with voting rights and dividends?

3) We create a legal entity, which will be servicing the platform
Will ico buyers still be owners of that?

(if you are interested I can post the detailed info at some blog later)
Sure. That makes a healthy debate. Then someone else hopefully also writes blog posts. And by reading many of them, I can hopefully adjust my prediction.
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Some questions for InChain team:
- What events are you going to insure in bitsquare.io? This is decentralized exchange.

From their whitepaper:

Quote
Bitsquare holds these values in every aspect of the project:
­
- Infrastructure (P2P network ­ there are no servers)
­
- Never hold users funds (neither bitcoins nor fiat)
­
- Never hold users data (no account registration)

- How will Ethereum smart contracts handle Bitcoin bonds and insuranse policies? Ethereum smart contracts can directly control ETH or Ethereum-based tokens only.


From the interview:

Quote
Smith+Crown: Are you worried that tokenholders will decide not to engage your team for DAO committees?
That?s a very good question. It depends on the distribution of the tokens. For example, if we assume that 30% of the tokens are controlled by one person, this might be an issue. We don?t have an idea right now how we are going to deal with this. I think there should be a limit, according to which every individual can have 5% or 10% at most. We also might need to do KYC for investors.

- How will you control the tokens amount per person during the ICO?
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My calculations show that InChain profits are overestimated in their financial model.

'Total amount insured' is set to 150 000 BTC by the financial model author. This is a bit 'optimistic' estimation.
150 000 BTC is approximately 1% of the TOTAL BTC market cap (15,9M BTC according to http://coinmarketcap.com/). I think if InChain hits 1% of their potential market during the first year it will be a success. But the potential market is far less then the total BTC market cap.

I did my own market analysis (if you are interested I can post the detailed info at some blog later) and the numbers are the following:
- The total BTC amount stored at the exchanges is close to 4M BTC. I mean all the exchanges that exist on the market
- The total volume of BTC stored at web wallets is about 0.65M BTC

Final result: 4.65M BTC is the total potential market of InChain. Please pay attention to the word 'potential'.
InChain team limits its market very striclty.
We can roughly estimate the share of 12 exchanges/wallets offered by InChain.
Exchanges: Coinbase, Poloniex, Kraken, Yobit, Bittrex, BTC-e. No bitsquare here, the reason is in my next post.
My calculations show 860K BTC.
Wallets: Blockchain.info, jaxx, mycelium, electrum, coinomi.
Let's assume their total share is 20%. So their bitcoin market is 0.65*0.2 = 130K BTC.

The sum of the above two markets is 860+130 = 990K BTC that is almost 1M BTC.

The total amount of funds that can be potentially insured by InChain is 1M BTC.

What percent of 1M BTC will be insured during the first year? As I wrote at the top 1% is a success.

1% from 1M BTC is 10 000 BTC.

So in the financial model table you should put 10 000 BTC instead of 150 000 BTC.

Total income for the scenario 1 will be 330 BTC ($208 000).

If you think the amount insured will be more than 1%, you can do your own math, it's simple.

I assume $1 750 000 will be collected during the ICO. 

That is 208/1750 = 12% ROI for the ICO participants. It will be even less because operational and other expenses are not included. We also don't know how the profits will be distributed because the decision will be voted by the DAO.

If the ICO amount is bigger than 1.75M the ROI will be lower too.

12% yearly ROI for the crypto industry is incredibly low taking into account the enormous risks involved. This ROI is almost the same as the expected ROI for the InChain insurance fund. So why do we need all those insurances, bonds, etc. if we can just deposit money to the fund and share its profits?

It's worth mentioning the total InChain ROI depends heavily on the insurance fund performance. The insurance fund strategy will be defined by the DAO and is fully unpredictable. The financial model gives no information about the insurance fund policies and instruments. Crypto markets are risky, much more risky than the traditional economy ones.

There are more interesting questions about the financial model.

Who and why will purchase the bonds? If at least one exchange/wallet is hacked during a year, the investor loses almost all his profits (10-8.33=1.67%). Nice instrument for the traditional fiat economy but will the crypto world like it? Please remember the bonds are traded for BTC. Bitcoin volatility is high. Does it make sense to add the risks of losing the part of your BTC investment if just holding your funds in BTC makes a great profit in USD?
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Meh.

Haven't followed this thread lately - have you managed to provide any proof of identity of any of the dev team? Perhaps any video interview etc?
Have you decided on escrowing funds? If so, any details?

You are a bit late to the show. Distribution is pretty much done, trading is live, partnerships are being made etc.

Meanwhile on the website:
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Inchain ICO starts on 12th 26th October 2016 and will last four weeks

That's 6 days from now.

Anyhow, the questions still stand

Wrong thread haha. My bad, too late to browse BCT.
legendary
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Haven't followed this thread lately - have you managed to provide any proof of identity of any of the dev team? Perhaps any video interview etc?
Have you decided on escrowing funds? If so, any details?

You are a bit late to the show. Distribution is pretty much done, trading is live, partnerships are being made etc.

Meanwhile on the website:
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Inchain ICO starts on 12th 26th October 2016 and will last four weeks

That's 6 days from now.

Anyhow, the questions still stand
legendary
Activity: 3038
Merit: 6194
Meh.

Haven't followed this thread lately - have you managed to provide any proof of identity of any of the dev team? Perhaps any video interview etc?
Have you decided on escrowing funds? If so, any details?

You are a bit late to the show. Distribution is pretty much done, trading is live, partnerships are being made etc.
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