Topic: [ANN] [IoP] Internet of People - Decentralise the Web 2.0 - a Community Project - page 5. (Read 45875 times)

Dear CryptTech,

Thank you for your question.
IoP is currently running on PoW with SHA256, but we'll shortly switch it to DAG.
It was the intetion to create a 'simple' pos + pow combination. However we will go much further than that and make something a lot better IOP will introduce a new consensus algorithm based on the idea of a directed acyclic graph, or DAG.
The DAG concept has been popularized by projects such as IOTA and HEDERA. It’s similar to blockchain, but instead of competing against each other to produce the next block on a single chain, nodes gossip with each other about network events to produce a web of messages, all linked through cryptographic hashes. With the release of the new consensus algorithm, IoP will have completed its basic infrastructure. We will then open up transaction confirmation and coin generation to the public, creating a true P2P economy.

Currently only Chapters can mine with whitelisted addresses.

In case you are interested to open a chapter, just write it into #chapter-requests on Discord; https://discord.gg/xENSXwk

Post your report at the end of each Month and wait for the result of the Community Voting (it last for 1 week).

The best 31 Chapter will get a mining license. In addition, there is an extra reward, distributed depending on the chapter ranking.

how mine this coin? PoW(algo), PoS, DPoS, MN?

Hi!
You can find the network hashrate here (explorer link from the iop.global website):
http://mainnet.iop.cash/status

Regional chapter is a Chapter in a Region, but now everyone can start a "chapter" at any time.
The only requirement is to join our Discord server, introduce yourself and place your request in #chapter-requests indicate who you are, where you are from and what your desired chapter name is. After that you will get your own Report-Channel. Submit a report or a proposal and and try to get as many votes as possible.
Here is an invitation link to our Discord server: https://discord.gg/xENSXwk

Where can I find network hashrate?

Also how can you mine this? What is a regional chapter?

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I think you're  being overly harsh  here
Sure, there are some things that need improving here and  there, but, in  my experience, the devs  and the community have been  amazing
Maybe you should  give IoP  one more shot?

ALL of crypto markets are down this year, plenty of projects lost 90% of their value especially altcoins, Price is NOT a good measure of success. If every project that has lost value this year made radical changes, the ENTIRE crypto community would have to reset and start again.

Anyway, I'm not interested in price arguments, but just to let you know that the same frustrations are felt all over crypto right now.

In other news check out this short interview Token Tv had with amon one of the many talented devs involved in this project

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQo4SBziY70

  You're a total weirdo, I have never posted anything on your fucking Discord.
What you call a hateful barrage is just the obvious facts.
You never address any facts, you just go on with your dribble, trying to sound meaningful.
I already made a couple of suggestions. My first would be about removing yourself, how about that?
You and your minions haven't got a clue of what you think you're doing, you caused more than enough damage already.
In the meantime your dumping has eaten away another 1k sats of your value.

So let me ask again -

Wouldn't you say that there is something going wrong with a project that lost > 95% of its market value?
And the staff in charge just shrugs, says everything is fine, nothing to do?
Wouldn't you expect some radical change to turn it around?

To quote yourself on 06/05/2018 when you left our discord angry

 
Please stick to your own words and stop this month after month, post after post frustrated hateful barrage against our community and anyone that's actually trying to build something good with it. If you don't like it, sell and move on. Or do it the other way around, do something yourself, build your own group, use the tech, make your own dapps, make plans, make suggestions, make connections to your own world, form a chapter maybe, get your mining license, get enough votes, shape your own future. Contribute to the community or project in a constructive way, like many others are doing that you are seemingly resenting and frustrated with.

Anyway, it's up to you man. This time I'm out.
Hope you'll be a more joyful man in the future.

Really, overly harsh?
They probably break below 7k sats today, the dumpster dive continues.
Wouldn't you say that there is something going wrong with a project that lost > 95% of its market value?
And the staff in charge just shrugs, says everything is fine, nothing to do?
Wouldn't you expect some radical change to turn it around?

The people running this shit show are obviously not able to turn it around.
None of their actions raised the value and lead to a broader recognition.
They haven't got the slightest clue, but keep on pretending they know it all, riding it ever deeper into the ditch.

Lop is a team that thrifty with the emphasis on teamwork, this would be much easier of course with a good system and an exceptional team.

Thank you for your support.

I think you're  being overly harsh here. Sure, there are some things that need improving here and  there, but, in  my experience, the developers  and the community have been  amazing. Maybe you should  give IoP  one more shot?

I think you're right in saying that Discord as a platform is not a perfect platform, but I do not think that this forum is open either. IoP, as it is a cryptography of the community, I think it is logical to think that the debates about the community itself (internal debates) remain in the community (being of free access, in this way a small screening can be done on who participates. it does it for an interest in the community and not for a purely personal interest), public forums have another use. The positive thing about living in this crypto era is that spaces, platforms and / or dapps are being designed that are more suitable to host a community and in a relatively short time, Discord can be dispensed with. For the moment you have to settle for what is there, little by little. Nor have I observed anything of censorship, although I do not like too much the discord app, I think that on the one hand it can become somewhat confusing in the debates because you do not know very well who you are answering or to what point or argument you are referring, for another part, being organized by discussion topics, I prefer it to this forum for internal debates. I think this space has another utility, such as making official announcements, asking questions when you have just met a cryptocurrency, doing some criticism in a public way ...

Take it here, into the great wide open, please.
Discord is anything but public, its a nice censoring and crowd manipulation machine, thats why you're so keen on luring everybody in.
But you can't score many users because its obviously all kept at bullshit levels.
All you do is delegating opinion, muting and censoring critical voices, or hiding information from the general public.
It makes it easy for you to group up behind the back of your audience and keep your bullshit narrative going.

Good news, it seems that finally the discord debate has opened on the debate of the politics and form of internal management. Come on IoP, the community is waking up!

No problem at all and thanks for he compliment.


Nothing wrong with constructive criticism I think we all applaud that.


There are definitely steps that we as a community still need to make. But we're already moving forward from where we were. Just to remind you that this is a cooperative community that spinned of from the Fermat times. This community has had no ICO and is basically self-funded. The community was in turmoil and had to 'retreat' to 'regroup' as I understand it. So when I got in last year I also found this somewhat closed fortress where you were either "in this core community" or not. This was not so because these people wanted it that way, but it evolved like this from the point where they left from fermat and the turmoil that came with it.

There were no public chapter reports, there was no divisions/core report, it was well intended but not transparent.
And the little information and discussion that there was happening mostly in closed groups.
Slowly we're getting more streamlined and at the same time more open.
This is why now everyone can make a chapter, everyone can come in and vote (which is by the way a process we wish to move to to blockchain asap, so see the discord voting as in-between phase)

So we're not quite there yet, and I think its also important to keep some room for good on topic discussions in smaller groups. Not every discussion has to take place with thousands of people.
But the road to more transparency and clarity is still not finished and will take your feedback onboard with that as well.


No problem at all. I personally like it and I am sure that others feel that way as well. There is no problem is discussing with each-other and improving from that.
And yeah that happens also here out in the public. I think there are not so many (crypto) communities where you can get so close and so easily involved personally actually.
But yeah that also means that sometimes it gets a bit messy and it's perhaps not as streamlined as a 'corporate style'  crypto group. That's usually far and far less transparent then we are already here now.



Much appreciated, I hope you'll keep on participating. We need this energy and input from everyone to become the best that we can be.

Thank you for your quick response, first of all I would like to clarify that I am not questioning the passion of the members of this community, especially the most active ones like you, nor the cooperation of them. I am aware of how they help each other to try to get the community to come forward and the effort that is made so that the new members feel integrated.

In any case I make a criticism, I hope it is seen as a constructive criticism, about the current internal politics, especially in the internal communication of the same, between those who make important decisions and / or the developers and the members of the community (cooperators and investors).

An example is the transparency reports, which look like monthly press releases of a company and where information is exclusively informed about the project's novelties and the upcoming efforts or objectives, but it is not reported who makes these decisions, based on what criteria , who are the employees of IoP Venture (positions, salaries, etc.) that is the one that is officially releasing the technology, who is taking the decisions about the possible lines of action, how this action is being coordinated, who decided the new consensus of the chapters ...

I think that all this is important to be able to say that this is a community project, at least it is my opinion about what transparency means. I hope they do not take me for a hater, on the contrary, I still have hope and I am still excited about the technology that IoP and its partner Libertaria are developing.

At least these changes I would consider necessary to increase confidence in the project and even open a chapter to contribute to it, much more necessary than increasing the internal competition of the chapters or increase profits, since I see more important human development what is being done with the development of decentralized technology and the creation of decentralized alternative economies, luck with the project.

Good spot! Looking back that discussion in discord fell kind of flat now that I look at it. So to explain:

IoP divisions had produced that "What is IOP" video and the Ukrainian chapter was translating it. However we later found that some things were either technically incorrect or could give the false impression. So for instance it was suggested that you can "retract your data" you can not take back your data, you can only deny the permission to continue to use the data.  But data sent once are obvioulsy sent data, technically there is no possibility to undo this again.
Furthermore, the video promoted an internet world without middlemen, but this is also not entirely true there will be some (sort of) middlemen sometimes. For instance dApp developer who, for example, develops a decentralized UBER, must also earn money. he does not do that out of charity. But with the Mercury protocol we address this core principal on who controls the permissions. Fundamentally changing it from what we know of traditional services and apps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdUggytSg3c

To some it might seem like a small thing, but this principal lies at the core of many of the issues we're facing with current internet usages.
So we made that new video, which explains more correctly, what we do. And obviously we don't want to waste the time of our community members so it was suggested to remove the old one and work on the new one instead. The fact that this process isn't happening in backrooms and is just a normal interaction between community members speaks to our benefit in terms of transparency. Not saying that we're optimal currently, but we're trying to be as open an as transparent as possible.

I hope this helps, and should you have any further questions, feel free to reach out, if you're in our discord. You know I'm pretty much online most of the time anyway. Simply ask and I'll do my best to answer.
I am however also human, I am flawed and I can't spot everything everywhere, but feel free to help out where you can or  at least keep me on my toes This is the point of a community, to help each other. At least that's how I look at it.

Unfortunately, I have to agree. I think there is a big problem of inconsistency.

Although it is announced as a crypto of the community, the community the only power it has is to vote for the most competitive chapters, nothing more. The consensus is decided from above, I'm not sure who, I guess by IoP Ventures, how the rest of the decisions are made and the community does not have information about who makes those decisions, nor with what criteria.

Being in Discordia does not improve transparency in the information ... recently it was possible to see how one of the chapter leaders was asked to remove the video of "What is IoP?" and when he asked for the reasons, that part of the video was no longer correct, no one in Discord knew how to respond.

As long as the community does not face this serious problem of inconsistency, I find it difficult to increase confidence in this project, especially if we consider the existence of a whale determined to sink the price further. We must remember that trust is one of the basic characteristics of any crypto project.

At least this is my opinion, probably influenced by the frustration of thinking about what could have been and seeing what is being ... (Expectation vs. Reality) and not just talking about the price, since I understand that it is possible that the technological sector is approaching a correction or crash, there are indications to be able to think about this.

What makes you so sure about that? Two years is an eternal time for a crypto project. If they were where they wanted to be now I would agree, but they missed on each and every item on their roadmap. The concept is great, but the realisation lags and the people deciding and doing public relations are a bunch of idiots. They pissed off everybody, with their childish delusional attitude.

And well, they hit the below 8k sats on Bittrex target already in no time, thats what they're best at currently, crushing the market value, pretending its not their fault and they can't do anything about it.

The dumping by the chapters will go on, because they need the funds to operate. Unless somebody big comes up as a saviour, but I don't see that, because they aren't any kind of a proper business entity to do deals with. As long as this idiocy goes on, there won't be a rebound.