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Slaxt

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Quote from: pbremen01 on July 27, 2014, 09:35:18 AM

Quote from: Petr1fied on July 27, 2014, 09:26:28 AM

Quote from: pbremen01 on July 27, 2014, 09:12:36 AM

Quote from: Petr1fied on July 27, 2014, 08:57:34 AM

pbremen01, I gave you a link to my anonymous test the other day. You still haven't actually responded with my wallet address:

Quote from: Petr1fied on July 25, 2014, 01:04:36 PM

Quote from: pbremen01 on July 25, 2014, 12:35:44 PM

Can someone please show me an example of anon transaction in blockchain?

I'm trying to figure out anon. Does the anonymity work yet?

Here you go, I just sent an anonymous transaction to test it:

http://chainz.cryptoid.info/key/address.dws?KM7DfEPN53VimonjQv3yHpsijBRNqrayxq.htm

See if you can figure out where the coins in that wallet address actually came from.

Prove your math works already.

I don't have time for tracing your original address. You can do it for yourself or hire someone to do it for you if you're interested. You can't expect that some random people on the internet will do work for you for free.

Sorry, but my math is too simple to be "proven". My math works because of this simple principle: if the mixer is not stealing your coins, then the amount of the coins you send to the mixer must be equal to the amount of coins that mixer sends to the recipient and to the change addresses. If this is not true and the mixer operators are rational, then they're stealing your coins.

I know the original addresses, I both sent and received the coins. My challenge was for you to find them which to date you have failed to do.

The fact that you are unprepared to prove that you can find where the coins came from shows that you are purely here to try and discredit the anonymity without actually backing up your claims with action.

pbremen01

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Quote from: Petr1fied on July 27, 2014, 09:26:28 AM

Quote from: pbremen01 on July 27, 2014, 09:12:36 AM

Quote from: Petr1fied on July 27, 2014, 08:57:34 AM

pbremen01, I gave you a link to my anonymous test the other day. You still haven't actually responded with my wallet address:

Quote from: Petr1fied on July 25, 2014, 01:04:36 PM

Quote from: pbremen01 on July 25, 2014, 12:35:44 PM

Can someone please show me an example of anon transaction in blockchain?

I'm trying to figure out anon. Does the anonymity work yet?

Here you go, I just sent an anonymous transaction to test it:

http://chainz.cryptoid.info/key/address.dws?KM7DfEPN53VimonjQv3yHpsijBRNqrayxq.htm

See if you can figure out where the coins in that wallet address actually came from.

Prove your math works already.

I don't have time for tracing your original address. You can do it for yourself or hire someone to do it for you if you're interested. You can't expect that some random people on the internet will do work for you for free.

Sorry, but my math is too simple to be "proven". My math works because of this simple principle: if the mixer is not stealing your coins, then the amount of the coins you send to the mixer must be equal to the amount of coins that mixer sends to the recipient and to the change addresses. If this is not true and the mixer operators are rational, then they're stealing your coins.

I know the original addresses, I both sent and received the coins. My challenge was for you to find them which to date you have failed to do.

The fact that you are unprepared to prove that you can find where the coins came from shows that you are purely here to try and discredit the anonymity without actually backing up your claims with action.

Sorry, but before I prepare everything for such analysis it would take probably about 1-2 hours of my time. It is Sunday and I'm not planning to waste two hours for this.

You can do such analysis much faster than I can do it. Just check the transactions from original address and the transactions to change address in blockchain and calculate difference between the number of coins. What do you get? Do you think that there exist two other transactions in the blockchain (in the vicinity of your transaction) that have the same difference?

Slaxt

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Quote from: Petr1fied on July 27, 2014, 09:33:59 AM

Quote from: Slaxt on July 27, 2014, 09:30:33 AM

Quote from: Slaxt on July 27, 2014, 09:16:21 AM

Quote from: pbremen01 on July 27, 2014, 09:12:36 AM

Quote from: Petr1fied on July 27, 2014, 08:57:34 AM

pbremen01, I gave you a link to my anonymous test the other day. You still haven't actually responded with my wallet address:

Quote from: Petr1fied on July 25, 2014, 01:04:36 PM

Quote from: pbremen01 on July 25, 2014, 12:35:44 PM

Can someone please show me an example of anon transaction in blockchain?

I'm trying to figure out anon. Does the anonymity work yet?

Here you go, I just sent an anonymous transaction to test it:

http://chainz.cryptoid.info/key/address.dws?KM7DfEPN53VimonjQv3yHpsijBRNqrayxq.htm

See if you can figure out where the coins in that wallet address actually came from.

Prove your math works already.

Petr1fied

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Activity: 630

Merit: 502

Quote from: Slaxt on July 27, 2014, 09:30:33 AM

Quote from: Slaxt on July 27, 2014, 09:16:21 AM

Quote from: pbremen01 on July 27, 2014, 09:12:36 AM

Quote from: Petr1fied on July 27, 2014, 08:57:34 AM

pbremen01, I gave you a link to my anonymous test the other day. You still haven't actually responded with my wallet address:

Quote from: Petr1fied on July 25, 2014, 01:04:36 PM

Quote from: pbremen01 on July 25, 2014, 12:35:44 PM

Can someone please show me an example of anon transaction in blockchain?

I'm trying to figure out anon. Does the anonymity work yet?

Here you go, I just sent an anonymous transaction to test it:

http://chainz.cryptoid.info/key/address.dws?KM7DfEPN53VimonjQv3yHpsijBRNqrayxq.htm

See if you can figure out where the coins in that wallet address actually came from.

Prove your math works already.

Wow quoting yourself with no actual reply. Now I'm just convinced you're an idiot.

Slaxt

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reddit
http://www.reddit.com/r/KeyCoin/

Slaxt

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Activity: 476

Merit: 250

Gone......

Quote from: BlackShibe1 on July 27, 2014, 09:17:51 AM

Key coin official reddit !

http://www.reddit.com/r/KeyCoin/

atomicchaos

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In case anyone didn't catch, the crew wants you to move to reddit, they can't handle the heat here.

Slaxt

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Activity: 476

Merit: 250

Gone......

Quote from: Slaxt on July 27, 2014, 09:16:21 AM

Quote from: pbremen01 on July 27, 2014, 09:12:36 AM

Quote from: Petr1fied on July 27, 2014, 08:57:34 AM

pbremen01, I gave you a link to my anonymous test the other day. You still haven't actually responded with my wallet address:

Quote from: Petr1fied on July 25, 2014, 01:04:36 PM

Quote from: pbremen01 on July 25, 2014, 12:35:44 PM

Can someone please show me an example of anon transaction in blockchain?

I'm trying to figure out anon. Does the anonymity work yet?

Here you go, I just sent an anonymous transaction to test it:

http://chainz.cryptoid.info/key/address.dws?KM7DfEPN53VimonjQv3yHpsijBRNqrayxq.htm

See if you can figure out where the coins in that wallet address actually came from.

Prove your math works already.

TheNewsHasCome

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Activity: 42

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I find it pretty humorous how many keyboard mathematicians there seems to be saying Key's anon can be traced. Unless you can actually prove something, everyone understands you're either just trying to spread FUD or you really want to come across more intelligent on the internet than you actually are in real life.

On a lighter note, excited for the subreddit.

Petr1fied

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Activity: 630

Merit: 502

Quote from: pbremen01 on July 27, 2014, 09:12:36 AM

Quote from: Petr1fied on July 27, 2014, 08:57:34 AM

pbremen01, I gave you a link to my anonymous test the other day. You still haven't actually responded with my wallet address:

Quote from: Petr1fied on July 25, 2014, 01:04:36 PM

Quote from: pbremen01 on July 25, 2014, 12:35:44 PM

Can someone please show me an example of anon transaction in blockchain?

I'm trying to figure out anon. Does the anonymity work yet?

Here you go, I just sent an anonymous transaction to test it:

http://chainz.cryptoid.info/key/address.dws?KM7DfEPN53VimonjQv3yHpsijBRNqrayxq.htm

See if you can figure out where the coins in that wallet address actually came from.

Prove your math works already.

I don't have time for tracing your original address. You can do it for yourself or hire someone to do it for you if you're interested. You can't expect that some random people on the internet will do work for you for free.

Sorry, but my math is too simple to be "proven". My math works because of this simple principle: if the mixer is not stealing your coins, then the amount of the coins you send to the mixer must be equal to the amount of coins that mixer sends to the recipient and to the change addresses. If this is not true and the mixer operators are rational, then they're stealing your coins.

I know the original address(es), I both sent and received the coins. My challenge was for you to find them which to date you have failed to do.

The fact that you are unprepared to prove that you can find where the coins came from shows that you are purely here to try and discredit the anonymity without actually backing up your claims with action.

Quote from: Slaxt on July 27, 2014, 09:16:21 AM

Quote from: pbremen01 on July 27, 2014, 09:12:36 AM

Quote from: Petr1fied on July 27, 2014, 08:57:34 AM

pbremen01, I gave you a link to my anonymous test the other day. You still haven't actually responded with my wallet address:

Quote from: Petr1fied on July 25, 2014, 01:04:36 PM

Quote from: pbremen01 on July 25, 2014, 12:35:44 PM

Can someone please show me an example of anon transaction in blockchain?

I'm trying to figure out anon. Does the anonymity work yet?

Here you go, I just sent an anonymous transaction to test it:

http://chainz.cryptoid.info/key/address.dws?KM7DfEPN53VimonjQv3yHpsijBRNqrayxq.htm

See if you can figure out where the coins in that wallet address actually came from.

Prove your math works already.

Are you crazy? What are you calling me a fudder for? I'm arguing against him and his abilities to trace a transaction sent using the anonymity functionality.

smille

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lol...who needs daytime television when you've got bitcointalk?

There's a new KeyCoin subreddit over at http://www.reddit.com/r/keycoin, maybe there will be less drama there. Just kidding!

EDIT: Looks like someone beat me to it!

BlackShibe1

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Activity: 260

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Key coin official reddit !

http://www.reddit.com/r/KeyCoin/

Slaxt

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Activity: 476

Merit: 250

Gone......

Quote from: pbremen01 on July 27, 2014, 09:12:36 AM

Quote from: Petr1fied on July 27, 2014, 08:57:34 AM

pbremen01, I gave you a link to my anonymous test the other day. You still haven't actually responded with my wallet address:

Quote from: Petr1fied on July 25, 2014, 01:04:36 PM

Quote from: pbremen01 on July 25, 2014, 12:35:44 PM

Can someone please show me an example of anon transaction in blockchain?

I'm trying to figure out anon. Does the anonymity work yet?

Here you go, I just sent an anonymous transaction to test it:

http://chainz.cryptoid.info/key/address.dws?KM7DfEPN53VimonjQv3yHpsijBRNqrayxq.htm

See if you can figure out where the coins in that wallet address actually came from.

Prove your math works already.

pbremen01

newbie

Activity: 56

Merit: 0

Quote from: Petr1fied on July 27, 2014, 08:57:34 AM

pbremen01, I gave you a link to my anonymous test the other day. You still haven't actually responded with my wallet address:

Quote from: Petr1fied on July 25, 2014, 01:04:36 PM

Quote from: pbremen01 on July 25, 2014, 12:35:44 PM

Can someone please show me an example of anon transaction in blockchain?

I'm trying to figure out anon. Does the anonymity work yet?

Here you go, I just sent an anonymous transaction to test it:

http://chainz.cryptoid.info/key/address.dws?KM7DfEPN53VimonjQv3yHpsijBRNqrayxq.htm

See if you can figure out where the coins in that wallet address actually came from.

Prove your math works already.

I don't have time for tracing your original address. You can do it for yourself or hire someone to do it for you if you're interested. You can't expect that some random people on the internet will do work for you for free.

Sorry, but my math is too simple to be "proven". My math works because of this simple principle: if the mixer is not stealing your coins, then the amount of the coins you send to the mixer must be equal to the amount of coins that mixer sends to the recipient and to the change addresses. If this is not true and the mixer operators are rational, then they're stealing your coins.

Petr1fied

hero member

Activity: 630

Merit: 502

pbremen01, I gave you a link to my anonymous test the other day. You still haven't actually responded with my wallet address:

Quote from: Petr1fied on July 25, 2014, 01:04:36 PM

Quote from: pbremen01 on July 25, 2014, 12:35:44 PM

Can someone please show me an example of anon transaction in blockchain?

I'm trying to figure out anon. Does the anonymity work yet?

Here you go, I just sent an anonymous transaction to test it:

http://chainz.cryptoid.info/key/address.dws?KM7DfEPN53VimonjQv3yHpsijBRNqrayxq.htm

See if you can figure out where the coins in that wallet address actually came from.

Prove your math works already.

Daggoo

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Activity: 65

Merit: 10

Quote from: dijclarwin on July 27, 2014, 08:43:02 AM

Quote from: mlord1010 on July 27, 2014, 08:38:37 AM

What's the point in these posts. Do you want a job or do you want to fud? 99% of us have no idea what you're talking about in the formula. This is not a lets discuss advanced anon thread.

All you need to understand his post is basic school algebra, not that difficult. I would also like to know the mechanics of KEY's anon. Remember this coin was advertised as having working anon which reflects the recent rise in its price. Also the centralization issue is also problematic and I am wondering how the devs plan to address this point in the future.

+1 I think most of us want to see real working anon before buying in to the latest, new anon coin.

dijclarwin

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Quote from: mlord1010 on July 27, 2014, 08:38:37 AM

What's the point in these posts. Do you want a job or do you want to fud? 99% of us have no idea what you're talking about in the formula. This is not a lets discuss advanced anon thread.

All you need to understand his post is basic school algebra, not that difficult. I would also like to know the mechanics of KEY's anon. Remember this coin was advertised as having working anon which reflects the recent rise in its price. Also the centralization issue is also problematic and I am wondering how the devs plan to address this point in the future.

mlord1010

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What's the point in these posts. Do you want a job or do you want to fud? 99% of us have no idea what you're talking about in the formula. This is not a lets discuss advanced anon thread.

pbremen01

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Activity: 56

Merit: 0

Quote from: Petr1fied on July 27, 2014, 08:11:39 AM

Quote from: pbremen01 on July 27, 2014, 07:27:35 AM

Quote from: mlord1010 on July 27, 2014, 07:16:35 AM

Quote from: pbremen01 on July 27, 2014, 04:53:20 AM

Did you see this reddit FUD post:

http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/2btj6m/reasons_why_keycoin_anonymity_doesnt_work/

Can someone explain how anonymity in KEYCOIN works?

Do you think that this post was written by this FUD group:

http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/28hqu3/warning_to_all_anonymous_coins_promoters_and/

Or was this written by devs of some competing coin (DarkCoin)?

This coin is brand new. Even if that post is 100% true we are in the infant stages of the coin. Progress will be what drives this coin. My target is roughly 200k.

Yeah, these are certainly infant stages of this coin. But devs said that anon was done. So why did developers launch anonymity feature if it clearly doesn't work (assuming this reddit post is 100% correct)? Did they at least test it? Did someone at least review their solution and concepts behind it?

The method outlined in that reddit post seems incorrect based upon my own test but it does sound like the wallet in question only had a single input to begin with.

In my case it spent the final amount in 3 completely separate random values in the first instance, these were spent from 3 completely separate inputs received by 3 completely separate wallet addresses on my client.

Is it possible to find where the coins came from by looking back in the blockchain and adding up smaller values trying to find the original wallet address(es)? I'd have to say, perhaps. But trying to figure this out will get much harder when there are a lot of transactions moving around.

One area of improvement the developers could look to undertake would be to create 3 separate deposit addresses for the account that the randomized values go to. That way there is no record of the 3 randomized values going to the exact same deposit address but they will still go to the exact same account.

I don't think that the problem lies in the number of inputs.

Imagine mixer as a big black box. Nobody knows what is happening there.

You send X coins to the mixer. The recipient must receive Y coins. The remaining R=X-Y coins you receive at "change" addresses (one or more). So R = R_1+R_2+...+R_n (in case of KeyCoin it seems that R = R_1, i.e. there is only one change address).

So on the blockchain you can always find transactions that have outputs X, Y, R_1,....,R_n and the following equation holds:

X = Y + R_1 + R_2 + .... + R_n.

(this equation assumes that the mixer isn't stealing part of your coins).

So if you can find such transactions in vicinity (block height is not far away) of the transaction that sent Y coins to recipient, then the addresses (or inputs) that were used to send X coins belong to the original sender.

Of course you may find different transactions that satisfy equation X = Y + R_1+R_2+....+R_n, but the probability may be low (depends on actual implementation and the number of transactions with different amounts in outputs).

This is general problem with such mixers. This can be ameliorated in such implementations where mixer "steals" some random amount of coins from you (and yes, such mixers exists).

Djinou94

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It's working for me
Great anon

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