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Topic: [ANN] [KEY] KeyCoin | Fair Launch | Daily Updates | 8/9 Status Update - page 87. (Read 188852 times)

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Call me a sheep, or a noob. But im buying now.
The lower we go, the more I will buy. There are only 915k coins... If it goes sub 10k again. Even I could buy them all.. An im no whale.

One of two things are going on right now.

1. People who bought sub 10k are cashing out.- Dont blame them.

2. KEY is crashing for good.
But honestly. A good coin, with a on the ball dev team. I don't see a reason for this.

Exactly. Short term profit takers.
hero member
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You know that someone selling a lot of coins today?
There is some reason...
I hope that we will know this reason fast enough.
Price under 50k soon. :/

Im hoping we saw the floor and those dumps came from so-called weak hands. Certainly they would not cover the costs of invested parties.

Clearly this team has got skills. Any required improvements in the anon code (as and when they could be required) should be handled with aplomb.

This price drop is the first true test of Keycoin holder confidence.
The market is testing us.
sr. member
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You know that someone selling a lot of coins today?
There is some reason...
I hope that we will know this reason fast enough.
Price under 50k soon. :/
hero member
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Lots of cheap coins queued up in 50-60k range

Green candle incoming?

Dev - Daily update incoming?
sr. member
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Thx for cheap keycoin, could you dump to 30k?
newbie
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Just bought back. Thanks for the weak hands.

Scooping some up myself : )
newbie
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Just bought back. Thanks for the weak hands.
newbie
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Hehe i looking for cheap coins too
Mr fudder continue your fud i have a buy order at 70k  Grin


Looks like u got ur wish

Thank you the panic dumper!


Still holding buddy
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某人对热门加密币匿名技术的评论,你们看看靠谱不?

一. 关于混币
dark需要中心node节点,cloak的二代混币节点需要proof of stake就可以,比dark的高了一个段位,比cloak一代也是高了一个段位。NUD就牛逼了,节点不需要在线。Cloak一代的混币机制需要交易平台,二代的posa机制进步了很多。  cloak一代二代也好,dark也好,这些都需要节点在线。NUD已经完成可以使用  的delegate不用节点在线,其混币是最牛逼的。

cloak,dark类的,相对容易,增加一个混币流程,底层不用动。而nud,需要改底层的脚本和执行脚本  的虚拟机。nud的delegate节点,需要的只是押金。A传送N个币给B,则delegate节点C只需要拥有不少于N个币做押金就可以了。然后C拿手续费,C不需要在线。nud为什么牛逼,大家都知道,在BTC系的都是有  个脚本的,op_xxx什么的。nud专门为delegate设计了操作码,然后矿工挖矿的时候执行这些操作码。这个矿工挖矿执行的代码,和一般btc寨币是不一样的。nud是最底层设计来解决这个问题。

NUD混币功能,天下无敌。没有其他任何一个币在这么底层,从操作码级做的,cryptonote系的比如XMR,  是另一码事。单说混币,其它币跪舔NUD,NUD都不要理。

为什么NUD的混币牛逼,刚才说了操作码,什么是操作码?BTC系的里面带有一个虚拟机,执行自己的指令,专业一点的说法,是个基于栈的语言(另外一种类型是基于寄存器的);题外一下,以太坊的虚拟机也是基于栈的。学过计算机的都知道汇编语言,虚拟机里的语言就是虚拟机自己的汇编语言。汇编语言提供的指令就是计算机CPU的指令, 在BTC的虚拟机里面,叫操作码。

NUD的混币是增加了专门处理混币的操作码,用挖矿来类比的话,其它人是CPU挖矿,我这是专门的指令 ,用GPU(CUDA,OPENCL)挖矿了。当然NUD这 里指的不是效率,而是底层支持带来的好处,于是,你其它所有的洗币都需要洗币节点在线,还存在着巨大的安全风险。谁知道那个洗币节点会干些什么事来, NSA安插个跟踪,你就完了。洗币节点自己黑了别人的币也不好说。NUD这里没问题,NUD不需要节点。 delegate的节点提供质押就行了,矿工挖矿,会执行这些专门为洗币设计的操作码,也即完成了洗币。

总的来说就是:nud 》》》cloak2 》cloak1 》dark

二. 关于tor

NUD工作在最底层,cloak,dark工作在上层,tor工作在最上层,tor只是隐匿ip地址,而其他的技术都是断绝发送者和接受者之间的关系的。带tor是最容易的,一个普通的寨币,带个tor分分钟的事,什么都不用改。一般的币带tor,就是直接套上,那个套很厚的,具体来说,就是所有的流量都从tor上走,加重tor网络的负担,也使得币的信息传递急剧减慢。nud带tor不是这样。nud是精装超薄深度融合tor。

精装超薄怎么讲?就是nud只是在广播交易的时候从tor走,隐匿掉交易的来源ip地址,因为交易来源才关系到私密性,而同步公用的链块则不走tor,链块是公开的,无关乎私密性,这样nud的同步既有tor的私密性,给tor网络的负担也小,而且速度快。这个tor才是很爽的套。

深度融合怎么讲?首先,要实现超薄精装,必须nud的tor和底层深度融合,节点的ID在nud的内部就按照公网和tor网区分开来了,然后区分对待,不会串网。一般带tor哪有这么贴合的?

三. 关于缩链

NUD还有个大杀器,就是压缩区块链,不过这个nud也正在开发缩链,是个不下于洗币的功能。而且,做出来就是币圈第一个!!!这个是下个市场热点,我知道的不下于4个币在攻这个问题,但是都还没出来,谁出来谁就占了先机。就像drk当年洗币占先机一样。BTC要下载30g的数据,我们NUD不丢失有用信息的情况下,只要下载300m的数据。而且这个技术是中本聪的,BTC白皮书上设想过但是从来没有实现过的 。中本聪当时只是说,IT技术发展很快,BTC数据增长不快,所以不急。哪想到现在btc牛逼了,数据量暴涨,装个btc同步就要几十个G,好几天才能完成。NUD这个已经出测试版了,但还没合并到主程序中。


四. 其它牛逼功能
NUD 在开发的功能包括Colored coins, improved delegates, reduced blockchain, secured banking,   anonymous public addresses and a couple of others as well。这些作者白皮书都做好了,正在按照白皮书开发呢,但是没有对外开放。

这些每一个都是重量级的功能:
Colored coins:就是二代币,就是xcp,就是msc,就是via要实现的clearhouse。
improved delegates:这个delegate是现在已经实现的,已经牛逼到骨头了,现在可以自己手动设置使用;但作者还要做improved delegates,还能再牛逼?简直超出我的想象力了,师母已呆~~
reduced blockchain:前面说了,快完工了。
secured banking:不知道什么东西,没看到白皮书,既然单独放出来,肯定是个很牛的东西,我个人猜 想可能是跟担保(escrow)有关的?这个也是个热点。

更多的信息在这里自己找:
创世贴:https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nud-new-universal-dollar-bcrypt-0-pre-mine-first-anonymous-crypto-640933
wiki:  http://nud.fi/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
nud 官方qq group:389091502
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oh no, fudder next time inform me when you're gonna fud, I'm buying too high again  Undecided
sr. member
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Hehe i looking for cheap coins too
Mr fudder continue your fud i have a buy order at 70k  Grin


Looks like u got ur wish

Thank you the panic dumper!
newbie
Activity: 24
Merit: 0
Hehe i looking for cheap coins too
Mr fudder continue your fud i have a buy order at 70k  Grin


Looks like u got ur wish
sr. member
Activity: 260
Merit: 250
Hehe i looking for cheap coins too
Mr fudder continue your fud i have a buy order at 70k  Grin
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pbremen01, I gave you a link to my anonymous test the other day. You still haven't actually responded with my wallet address:

Can someone please show me an example of anon transaction in blockchain?

I'm trying to figure out anon. Does the anonymity work yet?


Here you go, I just sent an anonymous transaction to test it:

http://chainz.cryptoid.info/key/address.dws?KM7DfEPN53VimonjQv3yHpsijBRNqrayxq.htm

See if you can figure out where the coins in that wallet address actually came from.


Prove your math works already.

I don't have time for tracing your original address. You can do it for yourself or hire someone to do it for you if you're interested. You can't expect that some random people on the internet will do work for you for free.

Sorry, but my math is too simple to be "proven". My math works because of this simple principle: if the mixer is not stealing your coins, then the amount of the coins you send to the mixer must be equal to the amount of coins that mixer sends to the recipient and to the change addresses. If this is not true and the mixer operators are rational, then they're stealing your coins.

I know the original addresses, I both sent and received the coins. My challenge was for you to find them which to date you have failed to do.

The fact that you are unprepared to prove that you can find where the coins came from shows that you are purely here to try and discredit the anonymity without actually backing up your claims with action.


Sorry, but before I prepare everything for such analysis it would take probably about 1-2 hours of my time. It is Sunday and I'm not planning to waste two hours for this.

You can do such analysis much faster than I can do it. Just check the transactions from original address and the transactions to change address in blockchain and calculate difference between the number of coins. What do you get? Do you think that there exist two other transactions in the blockchain (in the vicinity of your transaction) that have the same difference?


Sounds like you are just being lazy and posting for the hell of it to me.

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Sorry, but before I prepare everything for such analysis it would take probably about 1-2 hours of my time. It is Sunday and I'm not planning to waste two hours for this.

From your posts time stamps today you have spent over an hour just writing "I don't think it works, it doesn't work for me" etc etc.
You seem to be the only one that is having real issues working out some pretty basic functionality to me.
Don't you think your time would have been better used actually working out why you are failing, fixing it, then actually testing and trying to prove your theory, rather than just posting?
Looks like you had plenty of time on your hands to actually do some work.

typical I'm trying to get the price down to my buy order before I apologize for being wrong move here?

Nope. Getting price down is the crap reason every pumper gives about posts questioning a coin. I for one, am looking for a real anon solution. If someone had proof of this, it would greatly increase the value. 
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pbremen01, I gave you a link to my anonymous test the other day. You still haven't actually responded with my wallet address:

Can someone please show me an example of anon transaction in blockchain?

I'm trying to figure out anon. Does the anonymity work yet?


Here you go, I just sent an anonymous transaction to test it:

http://chainz.cryptoid.info/key/address.dws?KM7DfEPN53VimonjQv3yHpsijBRNqrayxq.htm

See if you can figure out where the coins in that wallet address actually came from.


Prove your math works already.

I don't have time for tracing your original address. You can do it for yourself or hire someone to do it for you if you're interested. You can't expect that some random people on the internet will do work for you for free.

Sorry, but my math is too simple to be "proven". My math works because of this simple principle: if the mixer is not stealing your coins, then the amount of the coins you send to the mixer must be equal to the amount of coins that mixer sends to the recipient and to the change addresses. If this is not true and the mixer operators are rational, then they're stealing your coins.

I know the original addresses, I both sent and received the coins. My challenge was for you to find them which to date you have failed to do.

The fact that you are unprepared to prove that you can find where the coins came from shows that you are purely here to try and discredit the anonymity without actually backing up your claims with action.


Sorry, but before I prepare everything for such analysis it would take probably about 1-2 hours of my time. It is Sunday and I'm not planning to waste two hours for this.

You can do such analysis much faster than I can do it. Just check the transactions from original address and the transactions to change address in blockchain and calculate difference between the number of coins. What do you get? Do you think that there exist two other transactions in the blockchain (in the vicinity of your transaction) that have the same difference?


Sounds like you are just being lazy and posting for the hell of it to me.

Quote
Sorry, but before I prepare everything for such analysis it would take probably about 1-2 hours of my time. It is Sunday and I'm not planning to waste two hours for this.

From your posts time stamps today you have spent over an hour just writing "I don't think it works, it doesn't work for me" etc etc.
You seem to be the only one that is having real issues working out some pretty basic functionality to me.
Don't you think your time would have been better used actually working out why you are failing, fixing it, then actually testing and trying to prove your theory, rather than just posting?
Looks like you had plenty of time on your hands to actually do some work.

typical I'm trying to get the price down to my buy order before I apologize for being wrong move here?
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pbremen01, I gave you a link to my anonymous test the other day. You still haven't actually responded with my wallet address:

Can someone please show me an example of anon transaction in blockchain?

I'm trying to figure out anon. Does the anonymity work yet?


Here you go, I just sent an anonymous transaction to test it:

http://chainz.cryptoid.info/key/address.dws?KM7DfEPN53VimonjQv3yHpsijBRNqrayxq.htm

See if you can figure out where the coins in that wallet address actually came from.

Prove your math works already.

I don't have time for tracing your original address. You can do it for yourself or hire someone to do it for you if you're interested. You can't expect that some random people on the internet will do work for you for free.

Sorry, but my math is too simple to be "proven". My math works because of this simple principle: if the mixer is not stealing your coins, then the amount of the coins you send to the mixer must be equal to the amount of coins that mixer sends to the recipient and to the change addresses. If this is not true and the mixer operators are rational, then they're stealing your coins.

I know the original addresses, I both sent and received the coins. My challenge was for you to find them which to date you have failed to do.

The fact that you are unprepared to prove that you can find where the coins came from shows that you are purely here to try and discredit the anonymity without actually backing up your claims with action.


Sorry, but before I prepare everything for such analysis it would take probably about 1-2 hours of my time. It is Sunday and I'm not planning to waste two hours for this.

You can do such analysis much faster than I can do it. Just check the transactions from original address and the transactions to change address in blockchain and calculate difference between the number of coins. What do you get? Do you think that there exist two other transactions in the blockchain (in the vicinity of your transaction) that have the same difference?


Sounds like you are just being lazy and posting for the hell of it to me.

Quote
Sorry, but before I prepare everything for such analysis it would take probably about 1-2 hours of my time. It is Sunday and I'm not planning to waste two hours for this.

From your posts time stamps today you have spent over an hour just writing "I don't think it works, it doesn't work for me" etc etc.
You seem to be the only one that is having real issues working out some pretty basic functionality to me.
Don't you think your time would have been better used actually working out why you are failing, fixing it, then actually testing and trying to prove your theory, rather than just posting?
Looks like you had plenty of time on your hands to actually do some work.
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I agree with Petr1fied. Let's not call every criticism we see a FUD.   He's provided some pretty good constructive criticism and suggestions on improvement.

@Petr1fied:  you should join the official keycoin forum and voice your suggestions there.  Let's keep things professional.
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Gone......
Sorry, but before I prepare everything for such analysis it would take probably about 1-2 hours of my time. It is Sunday and I'm not planning to waste two hours for this.

You can do such analysis much faster than I can do it. Just check the transactions from original address and the transactions to change address in blockchain and calculate difference between the number of coins. What do you get? Do you think that there exists two other transactions in the blockchain (in the vicinity of your transaction) that have the same difference?

I've already done a full analysis of both sides of the transaction and although it works to a certain extent it could certainly benefit from improvement. Primarily what I stated earlier:

One area of improvement the developers could look to undertake would be to create 3 separate deposit addresses for the account that the randomized values go to. That way there is no record of the 3 randomized values going to the exact same deposit address but they will still go to the exact same account.


hero member
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Sorry, but before I prepare everything for such analysis it would take probably about 1-2 hours of my time. It is Sunday and I'm not planning to waste two hours for this.

You can do such analysis much faster than I can do it. Just check the transactions from original address and the transactions to change address in blockchain and calculate difference between the number of coins. What do you get? Do you think that there exists two other transactions in the blockchain (in the vicinity of your transaction) that have the same difference?

I've already done a full analysis of both sides of the transaction and although it works to a certain extent it could certainly benefit from improvement. Primarily what I stated earlier:

One area of improvement the developers could look to undertake would be to create 3 separate deposit addresses for the account that the randomized values go to. That way there is no record of the 3 randomized values going to the exact same deposit address but they will still go to the exact same account.

@Slaxt: A serious discussion on the anonymity functionality is not FUD.

I hold 4.92% of all KEY, spread across 8 wallet addresses. It is not in my own interests to spread FUD and thereby create panic in the markets. Constructive criticism on the other hand will help the developers to create better anonymous functionality in future versions.
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