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Topic: [ANN] [MINT] Mintcoin (POS / 5%) [NO ICO] [Fair distro, community maintained] - page 646. (Read 1369778 times)

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If I have MINT coins on MINTPAL.COM i will get my POS after 20 days?

Get them in your own wallet ASAP to start minting. Also POS in your wallet.
My wallet has been getting more coins added every day from minting like clock work.

I like this coin and have kept 5 million and sold the same.
legendary
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there is also a hardcap.. as more people populate earth the amouny of coins decrease.. thats deflationary.

By that standard all possible mediums for exchanges are "deflationary".

anyway, that doesn't matter because you are operating under the precepts of neo-classical economics, which are demonstrably flawed and cannot render a good economic analysis, especially in regard to new forms of electronic currency.

Scarcity increases value, it doesn't decrease it and since digital currency can used divided into smaller and smaller denominations that simply is not an issue.

Currency, doesn't need to be "backed" by anything, especially wasting electricity.


Yea maybe.. but adoption also increases value.. scarcity increasing value is a commodity not a currency. To be a currency it has to have an inflation model. That is backed by thinking ever since money existed amd wont change.. The model at which inflation is applied is neo classical and outdated so thats why I say that maybe the feds tools are obsolete because we are not any better after all that debt.

The classic bitcoin thinking is that deflation leads to efficiency like consumer electronics.. but it also renders interest rate borrowing obsolete so no more lending.. If you have some inflation it will fit the world like a glove and then slowly make it efficient by a steady inflation rate making inflation tend to 0 asymptotically..

Anyways if you read that quote in the thread link i provided I backed it by professors who also say the same thing.. I just thought it was common sense ever since ai learned about bitcoin... Infact my first thread was about bitcoin deflation and how we need inflation built in.. but then I discovered we already have what we need.
sr. member
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there is also a hardcap.. as more people populate earth the amouny of coins decrease.. thats deflationary.

By that standard all possible mediums for exchanges are "deflationary".

anyway, that doesn't matter because you are operating under the precepts of neo-classical economics, which are demonstrably flawed and cannot render a good economic analysis, especially in regard to new forms of electronic currency.

Scarcity increases value, it doesn't decrease it and since digital currency can used divided into smaller and smaller denominations that simply is not an issue.

Currency, doesn't need to be "backed" by anything, especially wasting electricity.

legendary
Activity: 2044
Merit: 1005
Coins are created so how is it deflationary?

The creation is nothing compared to what fluid mining has and still decreases.

It's quite simply not a deflationary currency.

What sidhujag just said. Minting rewards are minimal and decrasing and hardcap coming eventually. It is deflationary.

Even devcoin is deflationary but just not as much.. How would you model inflation based on gdp? It becomes dynamic at that point something the govt will want but will lead to crashes etc.. Wouldnt steady inflation be better? We already have seen decreasing rates dont have intended affect of increasing borrowing. The tools that fed uses arent any better than simply assigning somr inflation % and let market work.

Its difference between buy hold strategy and swing trading... in the very long term the buy hold strategy
is predictable and wins overall.
hero member
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What is hard to understand is why you are posting to this forum.

Because I am a former miner and holder of 1.6m mintcoins.

Then have some faith in the coin! You must have had some at some point, otherwise I imagine you would not have gotten involved. What got you interested in mintcoin to begin with? And what has changed since then (Besides mining having finished, which we all knew was going to happen)?

I am allergic to faith, I prefer logic and knowledge. It seemed logical to start mining mintcoins until the POS came in. I also didn't say that I'd dump it all I said was that we will have to sooner or later, because this coin has it's own poisonbomb build in and we can only hope to get out on good terms.

I am allergic to faith as well- I am a biochemist. But I still use the word, in a non-religious sense, because no matter how much logic and knowledge you have there is no way to predict the future.
sr. member
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If I have MINT coins on MINTPAL.COM i will get my POS after 20 days?

no, you will not

So, why not?
sr. member
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What is hard to understand is why you are posting to this forum.

Because I am a former miner and holder of 1.6m mintcoins.

Then have some faith in the coin! You must have had some at some point, otherwise I imagine you would not have gotten involved. What got you interested in mintcoin to begin with? And what has changed since then (Besides mining having finished, which we all knew was going to happen)?

I am allergic to faith, I prefer logic and knowledge. It seemed logical to start mining mintcoins until the POS came in. I also didn't say that I'd dump it all I said was that we will have to sooner or later, because this coin has it's own poisonbomb build in and we can only hope to get out on good terms.
sr. member
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If I have MINT coins on MINTPAL.COM i will get my POS after 20 days?

In fact, mintpal will get it into their wallet for your balance.
sr. member
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Coins are created so how is it deflationary?

The creation is nothing compared to what fluid mining has and still decreases.

It's quite simply not a deflationary currency.

What sidhujag just said. Minting rewards are minimal and decrasing and hardcap coming eventually. It is deflationary.
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If I have MINT coins on MINTPAL.COM i will get my POS after 20 days?

no, you will not
sr. member
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If I have MINT coins on MINTPAL.COM i will get my POS after 20 days?
legendary
Activity: 2044
Merit: 1005
there is also a hardcap.. as more people populate earth the amouny of coins decrease.. thats deflationary.
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
Coins are created so how is it deflationary?

The creation is nothing compared to what fluid mining has and still decreases.

It's quite simply not a deflationary currency.
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
Coins are created so how is it deflationary?

The creation is nothing compared to what fluid mining has and still decreases.
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
Coins are created so how is it deflationary?
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
Your right and dont expect the noobs in here to understand what you are saying... You need inflation in a deflationary model.. not inflation tending to zero.. Its a failure by design.

Bitcoin will always be there.. as a commodity but not a currency I believe. There are better coins out there that will do the job of everyday tx...

What you need is:

1) Something where mining is irrelavent (pos is good for that)
2) Yet secure.. merged mining bitcoin means its secure yet mining is not a problem.
3) Predictable inflation. NOT dynamic inflation like PPC.. dynamic inflation leads to incentove to game thr system for profit.
read this about a quote from the dogecoin site from a professor of economics: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5599093

4) Provide inherent utility.. blockchain does this..

So far only 1 coin fits that bill and its DevCoin.. miners get 10% of each block and mining is not a problem since its merged mined with bitcoin. So mining is like free.. 90% goes to people who work to earn. Even businesses etc. So there is far more utility than dogecoin.

No more coins can be released merged mined because of asics.. so reallly it makes sense this would be the one and all other coins lost in dust. It was designed to be it. Bitcoins addresses are interchangeable to DevCoin if you can send dvc to btc wallet and vice versa.. so that in the future one address may be meeded for both. or people switch to dvc without losing private keys.

I do not know if the parameters of dogecoin are the right ones, but the idea behind its inflation is the correct direction and what I was pointing on. Everything winds up around the fact, that there are no virtual raw goods (unless in a game but there they are consumed virtually as well). Mintcoin just pushes the deflation to the extreme while being unknown compared to bitcoins, and furthermore people just don't get the POS therefore won't buy untill they get it (that means, it would need more shilling, something else than "just use the debug window!")
Maybe bitcoins will stay as a commodity, at least it has an use as TX for altcoins, but no one know for how long this goes. The creators of bitcoins certainly didnt have altcoins in mind and hence my claim that they just confused currency and commodities.

PS: This goes more for coins like MZD or AUR, because they are meant to replace a currency while simply cloning bitcoins modell. It might bring some income for a short time but in the long run, they are much more likely to fail.
legendary
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Types of coins:
POW (proof of work) ala DOGECOIN: coins are earned via mining
POS (proof of script) ala NXTCOIN: coins are are earned via holding them in your wallet.
POS/POW Hybrid (ala MINTCOIN): First coins are earned by mining, then by holding the wallet.

This may be a new concept to many miners.
Just download the wallet and leave the coins there, then after 30 days you will receive coins at the rate of 20 percent per annum.

POW coins with low difficulty and high reward are good to mine.
POS coins that are virtually unmineable are better to buy/ invest/ hold.

The coins higher up on the coinwarz list simply means the multipools are mining it and will soon dump it.
Mintcoin is now safe from this possibility.
My advice is to avoid buying/ holding coins at the top of coinwarz.

HTH.

Currencies need spendings, need flow. You describe a hyper-deflationary modell and there is a reason why states try to encourage the citizens to spend their money, because massive bagholding is killing egonomy.

What you want with mintcoin is something like gold. Deflationary investment. But cryptocurrencies are not gold, they are worthless without money flow. Gold can be kept and gold has a purpose aside from investment. Gold is needed for electronics, in science and jewellery so there will always be some demand for gold and someone will sell gold when the price is high enough. That's the same problem that will come to bitcoin eventually: No sense in mining it and when you hold it, it will become more worth tomorrow, so price increases. But at some point it will be impossible to get via mining and impossible to get via buying because almost everyone just holds. Satoshi, being mathematically genius, confused gold with money as he created bitcoin. Currencies like dogecoin have more future because of their inflationary model. They will not increase in price unlimited but they will reach a certain level where spending/buying makes sense.

What nonsense! Go ahead and invest in a coin with zero return on investment! Where do you think your gains will come from, the hope of a capital gain, is that all?
And please, don;t compare bitcoin to gold. Bitcoin can be replicated a million times over as shown by the numorous clones. Now go ahead and explain how you can clone gold? I think I know what I'll choose. Blue chip stocks pay a dividend. Shit coins don't. End of story.
Besides your just shitty u cant mine and dump this coin. Well as a holder, Im glad.
Time for you to move or simply point your miner at a multipool!

This discussion is as old as bitcoins are and came up again refreshed (though with same arguments) when dogecoin decided inflationary modell.
There are basically two sides in this dicussion: Those that understand economics and those that dont.
And then there are these bitcoin evangelists defending bitcoins deflation and turn around claim how this will be the new currency, not noticing how they contradict themself.
And, when bitcoin is digital gold and someone clones bitcoin it doesn't mean that they cloned gold. They just brought up another commodity beside bitcoin competing on the same market. Unless they follow a completely other concept. And that's the reason, why coins like dogecoin will outlive bitcoins in the long run if they stay active that long. Inflationary coins stay fluid while deflationary cryptos will stale.
Your right and dont expect the noobs in here to understand what you are saying... You need inflation in a deflationary model.. not inflation tending to zero.. Its a failure by design.

Bitcoin will always be there.. as a commodity but not a currency I believe. There are better coins out there that will do the job of everyday tx...

What you need is:

1) Something where mining is irrelavent (pos is good for that)
2) Yet secure.. merged mining bitcoin means its secure yet mining is not a problem.
3) Predictable inflation. NOT dynamic inflation like PPC.. dynamic inflation leads to incentove to game thr system for profit.
read this about a quote from the dogecoin site from a professor of economics: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5599093

4) Provide inherent utility.. blockchain does this..

So far only 1 coin fits that bill and its DevCoin.. miners get 10% of each block and mining is not a problem since its merged mined with bitcoin. So mining is like free.. 90% goes to people who work to earn. Even businesses etc. So there is far more utility than dogecoin.

No more coins can be released merged mined because of asics.. so reallly it makes sense this would be the one and all other coins lost in dust. It was designed to be it. Bitcoins addresses are interchangeable to DevCoin if you can send dvc to btc wallet and vice versa.. so that in the future one address may be meeded for both. or people switch to dvc without losing private keys.
hero member
Activity: 868
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What is hard to understand is why you are posting to this forum.

Because I am a former miner and holder of 1.6m mintcoins.

Then have some faith in the coin! You must have had some at some point, otherwise I imagine you would not have gotten involved. What got you interested in mintcoin to begin with? And what has changed since then (Besides mining having finished, which we all knew was going to happen)?
sr. member
Activity: 476
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Yeah people are encouraged to hold the coin, but as you can see not everyone is gonna hold it as they are not obligated so I don't see the points of you argument where you claim that if you don't spend a coin it is whorthless: since you are not obligated to hold, the coin is not necessairly worthless. Much logic? Oh and by the way, holding a coin forever is just not profitable since at a certain point it will be more profitable to sell than to hold even if you get some interests. (And thats obvious since if you are not going to spend a single mint in your entire life there is no point on getting the interests lol)

All you say are mehbeys and future. You can not back them up with more grounding than I can my claims about ecomomical logics what a currency needs and why bitcoin and more relatively unknown small clones like mintcoin won't stand the race in the long run. They still claim to be currency while they try to mimic virtual gold.
No one needs to hold gold but everyone would fill their rooms with that, if gold hadnt more purpose than laying there in shiny bars. Same goes with all other goods that have a certain value. And there is a reason why people pay with papersheets and not with gold coins anymore.
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250

What is hard to understand is why you are posting to this forum.

Because I am a former miner and holder of 1.6m mintcoins.
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