[ANN] NDL - The coin for Pastafarians - Flying Spaghetti Monster Cryptocurrency! - page 60.

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Quote from: His Holy Noodliness on January 08, 2014, 04:19:24 PM

Quote from: footlongc on January 08, 2014, 03:27:14 PM

To really compare pools, the % under block overview is about as good as it gets. That number basically says how much luck the pool is having, the lower the better. Orphan blocks mess that number up though as they magically don't count so your pool actually looks better if you get orphans on the really long blocks. And also, even then, over time the number will trend towards 100%, because it really just indicates a lucky streak and their are no guarantees that it continues.

Arrrggg, I'd agree with the statement that they all trend to 100% anyway, there's no such thing as a streak except in our minds - past luck doesn't mean you'll be unlucky in future, nor that you'll continue to be lucky - each event is independent, but over time the tendency to converge to the mean is still there. The reason? Whenever a pool gets lucky, His Noodly Appendage is there touching another pool to spread the luck around.

Yeah... Its all perception, but that's all we've got excepting gifts from his Noodly Appendage. Moral of the story, if the pool pays out, over time it shouldn't make much difference. Another moral, running pools is not easy. I basically have 2 24x7 on call jobs now, lol.

I have a feeling that things are going to get more interesting around here... Don't give up on this coin yet, its at least 10x cooler than Coinye coin.

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His Holy Noodliness, in a few days small group (hmm, even smaller than all NDL miners) will have big part of all mined NDL. So the future is clouded. Instead I am mining it with...hm...my English...with hope in His Holy Pasta.

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Quote from: footlongc on January 08, 2014, 03:27:14 PM

To really compare pools, the % under block overview is about as good as it gets. That number basically says how much luck the pool is having, the lower the better. Orphan blocks mess that number up though as they magically don't count so your pool actually looks better if you get orphans on the really long blocks. And also, even then, over time the number will trend towards 100%, because it really just indicates a lucky streak and their are no guarantees that it continues.

Arrrggg, I'd agree with the statement that they all trend to 100% anyway, there's no such thing as a streak except in our minds - past luck doesn't mean you'll be unlucky in future, nor that you'll continue to be lucky - each event is independent, but over time the tendency to converge to the mean is still there. The reason? Whenever a pool gets lucky, His Noodly Appendage is there touching another pool to spread the luck around.

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Quote from: haggis on January 08, 2014, 03:13:54 PM

Quote from: footlongc on January 08, 2014, 02:59:43 PM

Seemed less successful? Were you looking at the NDL/Day column under contributor hashrates on the pool stats page? Because that number is easy to jack with if you set the block reward wrong in the php-mpos config. We do payouts based on what actually comes off the blocks, and I'm sure most other pools are doing the same (its the only way to keep from pulling your hair out) but all the estimates on how much a block will pay are based on a configurable number. Since the rate changes on this coin I've been manually adjusting the number all through the bonus days so that it should be right, other pool operators might not be doing that. Share rates will show as being less as all the math is done on shares of 64 diff, so a pool thats running at 32 diff should be showing twice as many shares for every user vs. our shares. (before I changed settings they would have been off by even more).

Yes, I compared NDL/day and amount of shares per round. ~~Is 1 share worth equal across pools or is this also affected by the pools diff?~~ Reread your post Wink

I've often wondered if people looked closely at that when comparing pools. On pools that are having the same round luck, that number will be the same from pool to pool. To really compare pools, the % under block overview is about as good as it gets. That number basically says how much luck the pool is having, the lower the better. Orphan blocks mess that number up though as they magically don't count so your pool actually looks better if you get orphans on the really long blocks. And also, even then, over time the number will trend towards 100%, because it really just indicates a lucky streak and their are no guarantees that it continues. Our numbers are silly low now, but thats because of that diff swap. Since all the previous shares were counted at 256 it thinks there should have been 75% more shares than there were. Ugh, I need to see if I can't fix that, for the record tho, payouts/etc aren't effected, just the stats page.

for reference, our galaxycoin pool shows that over all time, the shares expected vs mined are just under 100% but its been having bad luck the past hour and day even.
http://glx.poolofpools.com/index.php?page=statistics&action=blocks

http://glx.poolofpools.com/index.php?page=statistics&action=blocks

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Quote from: footlongc on January 08, 2014, 02:59:43 PM

Seemed less successful? Were you looking at the NDL/Day column under contributor hashrates on the pool stats page? Because that number is easy to jack with if you set the block reward wrong in the php-mpos config. We do payouts based on what actually comes off the blocks, and I'm sure most other pools are doing the same (its the only way to keep from pulling your hair out) but all the estimates on how much a block will pay are based on a configurable number. Since the rate changes on this coin I've been manually adjusting the number all through the bonus days so that it should be right, other pool operators might not be doing that. Share rates will show as being less as all the math is done on shares of 64 diff, so a pool thats running at 32 diff should be showing twice as many shares for every user vs. our shares. (before I changed settings they would have been off by even more).

Yes, I compared NDL/day and amount of shares per round. ~~Is 1 share worth equal across pools or is this also affected by the pools diff?~~ Reread your post Wink

footlongc

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Seemed less successful? Were you looking at the NDL/Day column under contributor hashrates on the pool stats page? Because that number is easy to jack with if you set the block reward wrong in the php-mpos config. We do payouts based on what actually comes off the blocks, and I'm sure most other pools are doing the same (its the only way to keep from pulling your hair out) but all the estimates on how much a block will pay are based on a configurable number. Since the rate changes on this coin I've been manually adjusting the number all through the bonus days so that it should be right, other pool operators might not be doing that. Share rates will show as being less as all the math is done on shares of 64 diff, so a pool thats running at 32 diff should be showing twice as many shares for every user vs. our shares. (before I changed settings they would have been off by even more).

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Quote from: footlongc on January 08, 2014, 11:53:40 AM

Quote from: haggis on January 08, 2014, 03:35:33 AM

Quote from: raoulduke33 on January 07, 2014, 11:36:46 PM

It's not broken, it's using vardiff, which starts out at a high difficulty for higher hashrate users. If you're a lower hashrate user, as in this case, it will take a few minutes to ratchet the difficulty down, then it will show accepted shares every 10 seconds or so, +/- 30 seconds.

And at any rate, you can't judge a pool's effectiveness by the rate of accepteds CGminer shows without factoring in the share difficulty, as the pool shares will be multiplied by the difficulty factor. That means that even when the difficulty is high initially, you're solving and getting more difficult shares accepted, which count more than quicker, lower difficulty shares--the total amount of work done is the same, and therefore the amount of coins you will earn is the same.

Not sure if I can follow you. I just know, I got > 1k on the other pool within 5 minutes and ~600 on poolofpools after 15min or so.

Anyway, at this diff it's time for soloing

Its definitely a decent time for solo mining with diff at .5... But if you don't want to set that up, there are plenty of good pools. I went ahead and turned our starting diff down to 64 from 256, and lowered the re-check time from 2 minutes to 90 seconds. I initially set it a little high to make sure we could cope with launch-day load, and in case I had to restart stratum. This should update should help a lot for lower hashrate miners. I.e. a worker that connects with 400 kh will now be at the perfect diff, and 200 kh will only have to be adjusted down once vs 3 times before.

tl;dr: I apologize, smaller workers are welcome we weren't very welcoming before tho, I hadn't done all the math to see how bad it actually was.

Thanks for your explanation. This was exactly what I observered - diff went down to 128 after couple of minutes. But even the top miner on your pool with ~2MH seemed not as successfull as equal miners on another pool.
However, I will give it another try once difficulty passes 2 or 3.

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Hashrate and difficulty are starting to rise again, I guess a lot of people are coming back from COYE, or looking for a new opportunity.

footlongc

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Quote from: haggis on January 08, 2014, 03:35:33 AM

Quote from: raoulduke33 on January 07, 2014, 11:36:46 PM

It's not broken, it's using vardiff, which starts out at a high difficulty for higher hashrate users. If you're a lower hashrate user, as in this case, it will take a few minutes to ratchet the difficulty down, then it will show accepted shares every 10 seconds or so, +/- 30 seconds.

And at any rate, you can't judge a pool's effectiveness by the rate of accepteds CGminer shows without factoring in the share difficulty, as the pool shares will be multiplied by the difficulty factor. That means that even when the difficulty is high initially, you're solving and getting more difficult shares accepted, which count more than quicker, lower difficulty shares--the total amount of work done is the same, and therefore the amount of coins you will earn is the same.

Not sure if I can follow you. I just know, I got > 1k on the other pool within 5 minutes and ~600 on poolofpools after 15min or so.

Anyway, at this diff it's time for soloing

Its definitely a decent time for solo mining with diff at .5... But if you don't want to set that up, there are plenty of good pools. I went ahead and turned our starting diff down to 64 from 256, and lowered the re-check time from 2 minutes to 90 seconds. I initially set it a little high to make sure we could cope with launch-day load, and in case I had to restart stratum. This should update should help a lot for lower hashrate miners. I.e. a worker that connects with 400 kh will now be at the perfect diff, and 200 kh will only have to be adjusted down once vs 3 times before.

tl;dr: I apologize, smaller workers are welcome we weren't very welcoming before tho, I hadn't done all the math to see how bad it actually was.

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WTS 1.1 Million NDL for only 0.25 BTC, come buy it cheap now and sell high on exchange!
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Quote from: Morticio on January 08, 2014, 09:29:18 AM

All coin go too much quickly on exchange die in hours... Dime, cage, bill, moon, meow... And don't think about just dump it and don't care he die. Last one, cage, die on market with no buy order within 45 minutes. So, only people see it at start and near her computer with wallet sync can sale a bit...

It's a nice coin. Nice and smooth release. When i don't jump on a new release, i mine this one. If we continue, one day he go on exchange and these day, we more prepare for this coin stay more long time around.

Thanks for the comment.

Aaarrrggh we agree with all of this. Everyone be so impatient these days, we understands yer wants to be confident that yer minin' will eventually pay off, but I think anyone who is mining and stacking this is going to handsomely rewarded when we do make it to an exchange, a lot of the crapcoins are dying off, and this one is here to stay. I can't promise anyone we'll make an exchange by a particular date Roll Eyes

or drop hints about things that never materialise Roll Eyes

, but I can promise that we'll keep working on the coin and in time, I'm sure that will reward us all.

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All coin go too much quickly on exchange die in hours... Dime, cage, bill, moon, meow... And don't think about just dump it and don't care he die. Last one, cage, die on market with no buy order within 45 minutes. So, only people see it at start and near her computer with wallet sync can sale a bit...

It's a nice coin. Nice and smooth release. When i don't jump on a new release, i mine this one. If we continue, one day he go on exchange and these day, we more prepare for this coin stay more long time around.

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Quote from: koprobo on January 08, 2014, 05:51:41 AM

Any exchange is interested?

We've only been going 5 days!

If you want to see an exchange asap, please keep voting on the CoinedUp reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/CoinedUp/comments/1ucrb6/please_add_ndl_noodlyappendagecoin/ and also for Cryptsy at https://cryptsy.freshdesk.com/support/discussions/topics/62696/page/1

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Any exchange is interested?

ManuelJ

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In NDL we trust.

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Quote from: raoulduke33 on January 07, 2014, 11:36:46 PM

It's not broken, it's using vardiff, which starts out at a high difficulty for higher hashrate users. If you're a lower hashrate user, as in this case, it will take a few minutes to ratchet the difficulty down, then it will show accepted shares every 10 seconds or so, +/- 30 seconds.

And at any rate, you can't judge a pool's effectiveness by the rate of accepteds CGminer shows without factoring in the share difficulty, as the pool shares will be multiplied by the difficulty factor. That means that even when the difficulty is high initially, you're solving and getting more difficult shares accepted, which count more than quicker, lower difficulty shares--the total amount of work done is the same, and therefore the amount of coins you will earn is the same.

Not sure if I can follow you. I just know, I got > 1k on the other pool within 5 minutes and ~600 on poolofpools after 15min or so.

Anyway, at this diff it's time for soloing

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Quote from: haggis on January 07, 2014, 08:26:23 PM

Quote from: raoulduke33 on January 07, 2014, 07:59:06 PM

Quote from: His Holy Noodliness on January 07, 2014, 07:26:27 PM

Hashrate rising again. Thanks for spreading the hashes around evenly amongst the pools me hearties, let's try to keep it that way.

Just a reminder that ndl.poolofpools.com is charging ZERO FEES still. We're small, but we're still finding a block every few minutes on average. We'll find 'em quicker, and keep the blockchain more secure/stable, if you come join us!

Just switched to your pool. ~~Looks promising so far~~

edit: seems like your pool accepts far less shares than other pools what leeds to only a 1/6 of reward. I have no idea what it is but I think you need to fix something. Will come back when it's working.

It's not broken, it's using vardiff, which starts out at a high difficulty for higher hashrate users. If you're a lower hashrate user, as in this case, it will take a few minutes to ratchet the difficulty down, then it will show accepted shares every 10 seconds or so, +/- 30 seconds.

And at any rate, you can't judge a pool's effectiveness by the rate of accepteds CGminer shows without factoring in the share difficulty, as the pool shares will be multiplied by the difficulty factor. That means that even when the difficulty is high initially, you're solving and getting more difficult shares accepted, which count more than quicker, lower difficulty shares--the total amount of work done is the same, and therefore the amount of coins you will earn is the same.

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Avast, we 'as interest from China:

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"Overall, no big ideas, but this is a very bold name disgusting insects, really sick."

No big ideas? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=398835.new#new yer scurvy dogs.

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Quote from: raoulduke33 on January 07, 2014, 07:59:06 PM

Just a reminder that ndl.poolofpools.com is charging ZERO FEES still. We're small, but we're still finding a block every few minutes on average. We'll find 'em quicker, and keep the blockchain more secure/stable, if you come join us!

Avast, he speaks the truth. Poolofpools have been there from day1 with NDL and we've had lots of great feedback about them. Right now, they are the smaller of the pools, so you should go mine with them and help strengthen the security of the blockchain even further. You don't even need unlimited credit, or hawaiian shirts to mine with Raoul.

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Quote from: raoulduke33 on January 07, 2014, 07:59:06 PM

Quote from: His Holy Noodliness on January 07, 2014, 07:26:27 PM

Hashrate rising again. Thanks for spreading the hashes around evenly amongst the pools me hearties, let's try to keep it that way.

Just a reminder that ndl.poolofpools.com is charging ZERO FEES still. We're small, but we're still finding a block every few minutes on average. We'll find 'em quicker, and keep the blockchain more secure/stable, if you come join us!

Just switched to your pool. ~~Looks promising so far~~

edit: seems like your pool accepts far less shares than other pools what leeds to only a 1/6 of reward. I have no idea what it is but I think you need to fix something. Will come back when it's working.

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