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Topic: [ANN] NeuCoin - Easy to use, free to try, focused on micropayments - Official - page 47. (Read 196217 times)

legendary
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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
It baffles me that they think they would attract users with 3 month - 1 year - 5 year growth accounts. If NeuCoin is trying to cater to the "instant gratification generation" how is it expected for kids to keep NeuCoin for 5 years, if they don't even want to keep a picture for more than 5 seconds.

Actually I am unbaffled... it makes complete sense to me. With the pace they are going with, you probably won't be able to use NeuCoin for anything until 3 months from now, and they'll probably just be rolling out with some promised features 5 years from now (if they are still around).

I don't believe that this coin will survive the next 12 months, maybe not even 5 months. I mean, besides fundamental flaws in it's economy and obvious issues with the tech there is another problem: There are competitors with a lot more to show. The Neucoin-Team did all to let it seem big. But it's not the idea and not the development that is big in any way. All arguments are the "big names" and the money backing and big promises without any base.

And, one competitor for example - far ahead:

Maidsafe
http://maidsafe.net

The base-idea is about decentralizing content and also the profit out of the conent --> content creator. That's the opposite to big companies like Google, Facebook etc. who make profit out of the content of us all. I'm not invested in Maidsafe, but in some way there will be something like that in the future. (And Neucoin, even if it would be a really professionell project is already obsolete, because it would like to be a centralized company which is obvious in the financial structure.)

THE NEXT GENERATION SHARING ECONOMY

http://blog.maidsafe.net/2015/10/05/advertising-privacy-and-a-libre-internet/


They have high plans, and I don't know if they'll realize it or others, but tipping is also one of many possible functions:

Quote
In this context, content creators could be a: blogger, journalist, artist, film maker, musicians, application developers, even end users with a social network account and a video camera. As my colleague Paige Peterson pointed out in an earlier post, the advent of crypto currencies like safecoin, with their almost zero transaction fees, enable almost instant micro payments and donations to take place.

Bloggers could be paid or tipped by users as their posts are read and enjoyed. News websites could function in the same way, or they could charge a subscription for providing well researched and useful information. Potentially, artists and film makers (this also includes those sharing funny home clips on YouTube) could make use of the SAFE Network’s optional watermarking system to ensure that they are rewarded as the originator of content and continue to be rewarded as snippets of their song or film are built upon and used by or aggregated by others. Digitally recording the content creators (through an anonymous ID) of each piece of work will enable the network to manage and pay out rewards without human intervention and without corruption.
http://maidsafe.net/press

There are also ideas about: Games on maidsafe infrastructure
https://forum.safenetwork.io/t/games-on-maidsafe-infrastructure/209


Or... another example:

Synereo:

Quote
Who is Synereo?
Synereo has completely distributed server software running on a user’s local machine that is capable of creating an Internet network without relying on any central entity. On it, Synereo is developing a fully decentralized and distributed, next-gen social platform. Synereo’s mission is to provide a global solution for decentralized communications and content distribution, also allowing applications to tap into its decentralized social graph. Synereo’s smart contract mechanism and attention economy principles provide content creators with unparalleled benefits, facilitating content distribution and monetization devoid of middlemen. Learn more at Synereo.com.
http://blog.factom.org/post/116727809969/synereo-factom-announce-partnership
http://www.synereo.com

They partnered with factom which I mentioned in an earlier post.


I don't mention those projects to make PR for it. But if we compare those projects, and there are a lot more of that kind (the biggest one is most likely Ethereum which could be anything), we see philosophy and passion and highly skilled Developers. They also have big names behind it (first of all factom) and money backing. What do we see in Neucoin? Nothing (but greed)... it's just a copy-cat-headline without anything behind it. They're talking about easy-to-use but that's just an argument to build an awful QT to bind peoples money into the growth-accounts. They talk about "non-profit" and "transparency" but with every move they show the opposite.


And I think, those who bought into it should think about it. There is nothing new in Neucoin, nothing which could be called innovative. Just some weird strategies to get peoples money. And it obviously doesn't work out, which is a very positive sign. ;-)

Yep, Neucoin was never about solving anyone's problem or creating value, its just opportunism.  Kind of like Direct Revenue.
Enjoy the millions you've "earned", Dan.  It doesn't look like the world wants to give you any more.

legendary
Activity: 1960
Merit: 1128
This just shows their incompetence.

Here's another issue:

http://forum.neucoin.org/t/interesting-tidbits-learned-from-reading-neucoins-source-code/1640/5?u=timengler

If you want to see this in action, look here:

http://www.neucoin.io/transaction/d5c8a3496eb8340130e6c1fcd3c04f57634b9f69a398db0d226f460fcd9f7aea

and keep clicking on "Previous output". You'll notice the staking amounts have been splitting in half after every stake.

Which means the amount of interest Neucoin is getting is slowing down. Every time this happens, their UTXO's get smaller and take longer to stake. Eventually they'll lose most of their compounding effect, and will have around 45 days of unclaimed interest in their mega account that will disappear as soon as they try to make a transfer from it. I tried to explain this to them in that thread, but it seems they can't quite grasp the concept.

Another sign that their technical team today isn't really up to the task.


Revealing:

"The issue is that the reason for this security measure hasn't been well documented, so we can only guess what Sunny King had in mind."


They've worked 1 1/2 year on the project and they have to guess. I have no abilities to code and no deeper understanding of the tech, but I bet it wouldn't need too long that I would have some answers. I would ask in the peercoin-forum and/or pm Sunny King or open in BCT or a Dev I know... And they have to guess about the code they're using.

full member
Activity: 154
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I got 2k Neucoin from completing surveys when will i receive them?
newbie
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This just shows their incompetence.

Here's another issue:

http://forum.neucoin.org/t/interesting-tidbits-learned-from-reading-neucoins-source-code/1640/5?u=timengler

If you want to see this in action, look here:

http://www.neucoin.io/transaction/d5c8a3496eb8340130e6c1fcd3c04f57634b9f69a398db0d226f460fcd9f7aea

and keep clicking on "Previous output". You'll notice the staking amounts have been splitting in half after every stake.

Which means the amount of interest Neucoin is getting is slowing down. Every time this happens, their UTXO's get smaller and take longer to stake. Eventually they'll lose most of their compounding effect, and will have around 45 days of unclaimed interest in their mega account that will disappear as soon as they try to make a transfer from it. I tried to explain this to them in that thread, but it seems they can't quite grasp the concept.

Another sign that their technical team today isn't really up to the task.
legendary
Activity: 1960
Merit: 1128
It baffles me that they think they would attract users with 3 month - 1 year - 5 year growth accounts. If NeuCoin is trying to cater to the "instant gratification generation" how is it expected for kids to keep NeuCoin for 5 years, if they don't even want to keep a picture for more than 5 seconds.

Actually I am unbaffled... it makes complete sense to me. With the pace they are going with, you probably won't be able to use NeuCoin for anything until 3 months from now, and they'll probably just be rolling out with some promised features 5 years from now (if they are still around).

I don't believe that this coin will survive the next 12 months, maybe not even 5 months. I mean, besides fundamental flaws in it's economy and obvious issues with the tech there is another problem: There are competitors with a lot more to show. The Neucoin-Team did all to let it seem big. But it's not the idea and not the development that is big in any way. All arguments are the "big names" and the money backing and big promises without any base.

And, one competitor for example - far ahead:

Maidsafe
http://maidsafe.net

The base-idea is about decentralizing content and also the profit out of the conent --> content creator. That's the opposite to big companies like Google, Facebook etc. who make profit out of the content of us all. I'm not invested in Maidsafe, but in some way there will be something like that in the future. (And Neucoin, even if it would be a really professionell project is already obsolete, because it would like to be a centralized company which is obvious in the financial structure.)

THE NEXT GENERATION SHARING ECONOMY

http://blog.maidsafe.net/2015/10/05/advertising-privacy-and-a-libre-internet/


They have high plans, and I don't know if they'll realize it or others, but tipping is also one of many possible functions:

Quote
In this context, content creators could be a: blogger, journalist, artist, film maker, musicians, application developers, even end users with a social network account and a video camera. As my colleague Paige Peterson pointed out in an earlier post, the advent of crypto currencies like safecoin, with their almost zero transaction fees, enable almost instant micro payments and donations to take place.

Bloggers could be paid or tipped by users as their posts are read and enjoyed. News websites could function in the same way, or they could charge a subscription for providing well researched and useful information. Potentially, artists and film makers (this also includes those sharing funny home clips on YouTube) could make use of the SAFE Network’s optional watermarking system to ensure that they are rewarded as the originator of content and continue to be rewarded as snippets of their song or film are built upon and used by or aggregated by others. Digitally recording the content creators (through an anonymous ID) of each piece of work will enable the network to manage and pay out rewards without human intervention and without corruption.
http://maidsafe.net/press

There are also ideas about: Games on maidsafe infrastructure
https://forum.safenetwork.io/t/games-on-maidsafe-infrastructure/209


Or... another example:

Synereo:

Quote
Who is Synereo?
Synereo has completely distributed server software running on a user’s local machine that is capable of creating an Internet network without relying on any central entity. On it, Synereo is developing a fully decentralized and distributed, next-gen social platform. Synereo’s mission is to provide a global solution for decentralized communications and content distribution, also allowing applications to tap into its decentralized social graph. Synereo’s smart contract mechanism and attention economy principles provide content creators with unparalleled benefits, facilitating content distribution and monetization devoid of middlemen. Learn more at Synereo.com.
http://blog.factom.org/post/116727809969/synereo-factom-announce-partnership
http://www.synereo.com

They partnered with factom which I mentioned in an earlier post.


I don't mention those projects to make PR for it. But if we compare those projects, and there are a lot more of that kind (the biggest one is most likely Ethereum which could be anything), we see philosophy and passion and highly skilled Developers. They also have big names behind it (first of all factom) and money backing. What do we see in Neucoin? Nothing (but greed)... it's just a copy-cat-headline without anything behind it. They're talking about easy-to-use but that's just an argument to build an awful QT to bind peoples money into the growth-accounts. They talk about "non-profit" and "transparency" but with every move they show the opposite.


And I think, those who bought into it should think about it. There is nothing new in Neucoin, nothing which could be called innovative. Just some weird strategies to get peoples money. And it obviously doesn't work out, which is a very positive sign. ;-)
hero member
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legendary
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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
price down to .00003300.  24 hour volume on cryptsy about 2 BTC.   Cheesy
legendary
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born once atheist
so i cancelled my growth account and my coins have vanished .  no coins transferred to my wallet. no transaction showing. WTF?
Oh i know, the transaction and coins will show up as soon as the price tanks another 50% or so. So i should see them shortly.
newbie
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New pool for neucoin: http://pool.neucoin.re

Configure your miner with:

URL: stratum+tcp://pool.neucoin.re:3333/
USER: your neucoin address
PASSWORD: anything

Payment every 5mins, fee: 3%

Tips: NhiEqSv4cAVAoaViCTW8pbU2mntFcAbttq
hero member
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And IMO, Neucoin for the casual, game-playing, selfie-liking, tipping facebook masses.

Have you no honor? Do you seriously want to publicly display your greed and incompetence to drag further ingenuous readers down into perdition just to enrich yourself?

Oh, just stop it. Drama queen.

Go FUD yourself, you shilly shill bitch!

Go buy some, they're still going for only double the presale price.
Roll Eyes
sr. member
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It baffles me that they think they would attract users with 3 month - 1 year - 5 year growth accounts. If NeuCoin is trying to cater to the "instant gratification generation" how is it expected for kids to keep NeuCoin for 5 years, if they don't even want to keep a picture for more than 5 seconds.

Actually I am unbaffled... it makes complete sense to me. With the pace they are going with, you probably won't be able to use NeuCoin for anything until 3 months from now, and they'll probably just be rolling out with some promised features 5 years from now (if they are still around).
sr. member
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Neu coin dosnt send anything from faucet, what a scam
sr. member
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I certainly respect that point of view. Good articles, both of them. Important points. That said, I think that if a games and tipping oriented microcrypto like Neucoin were to get serious traction with mainstream users, that it wouldn't pose that kind of danger. On the contrary, I think that it would help to introduce the masses to the possibilities of cryptocurrency and benefit blockchain technology at large.


Really?
By having banks, Facebook and Google control Neucoin's blockchain and the private keys for any address those "mainstream users" are using?
Because this is how it's going to be, if this ever happens.
And you know what comes next: sensitive private data are getting harvested, processed and sold to third parties plus that they are "offered" to a number of "authorities" and "security agencies". Then, governments will start having access to those addresses, because they will have a way to do it, something not possible with any coin so far.

This is worse than using a Visa card and a bank account and the "masses" will never trust another coin again.

No, my friend, scam or no scam, Neucoin must die fast if it's going to do such a damage.
hero member
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That said, I think that if a games and tipping oriented microcrypto like Neucoin

I'm sorry. NoKoin isn't games and tipping oriented. It's totally greed and get rich quick oriented.

newbie
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It's the whole proposition of understanding what cryptocurrency is, grasping the concept of the blockchain and mining and then downloading a client and staking and all that - it's just not something that any mainstream consumer will ever do. That's not the way more mainstream users will come onboard, it just isn't.


I am not talking about tech details, this really is for just a few, like it always was. There are clients that offer great simplicity for inexperienced users - and I would prefer them 1000 times over a "Facebook wallet". What you are thinking is dangerous. You want to drag people to "like" a coin (any coin, this is not about this one in particular) for all the wrong reasons.

Despite what I believe for this one, you have to let time do its job and people will turn to cryptocurrencies on their own. There are so many advantages and, practically, no disadvantages in doing so.

Read a very simple article that states the facts in an excellent way:
http://cointelegraph.com/news/115020/people-are-just-too-stupid-to-use-bitcoin-right-now

People need to be educated and choose cryptocurrencies over traditional "money" for litarally thousands of reasons


I certainly respect that point of view. Good articles, both of them. Important points. That said, I think that if a games and tipping oriented microcrypto like Neucoin were to get serious traction with mainstream users, that it wouldn't pose that kind of danger. On the contrary, I think that it would help to introduce the masses to the possibilities of cryptocurrency and benefit blockchain technology at large.

hero member
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Is this an accurate summary of the current state?

- Neucon regime sitting on 99+% of coins and staking 99.9+% of new coins?
- Trade volume on exchanges tanked because the team is the only party buying. See distribution https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-NEU#tabDistribution
- Neucon regime by now (days after launch) already staked 100 Mio. coins which equals the total amount allegedly sold to public
- Remaining ICO investors in the red, forum dead, team silent besides the well known phrases ("we will soon publish", "sorry for the late reply, we are super busy", "we are so excited", yadda yadda)
- Neucon regime still didn't disclose the price or price range they predefined. (Remember they completely dominate the market and thereby the price)
- Neucon regime still didn't disclose all their holdings and addresses as promised.
- Neucon regime still didn't disclose the cash needs and resulting sales numbers.
- Big ad campaign on crypto mag web sites tries to find new "victims"
- Survey coins not sent out yet
- PoW miners finding out that it is by design totally unprofitable (http://forum.neucoin.org/t/pow-mining-change-of-algorithm/1368/44)

Next steps? Probably a mini pump by pretending to have some great news and disclosing that a first game is to be released soon to absorb the survey coin dump ...

PS: Sandrine has finally thanked the "creator" of the block explorer. She even sent a payment.
The amount? ... wait for it ... 150 Neucons = a little less than nothing at all, what an affront!

Is this an accurate summary of the current state?

Yes!
hero member
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I really don't understand what some people see in Neucoin.

Blind people cannot see. They fall for promises, buzz and hypewords instead of doing the math and realize that the whole design is a complete rip off.
hero member
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I think Sandrine may have misinformed Gekko.

Sandrine claimed,
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/guide-to-the-neucoin-presale/648
"All presale proceeds go to the NeuCoin Foundations"

Then Gekko says,
"Send your BTC to an anonymous off shore entity for this at your own risk. You have been warned. There is nobody to hold responsible if your bitcoins up and disappear."

Sandrines then answers Gekko, (before she banned him and deleted all his follow up posts.)

"Since the NeuCoin cryptocurrency has not yet been created and donated to the NeuCoin foundations, the Presale is being handled by NEU Development Ltd, a Seychelles based IBC with the single purpose of handling the Presale transactions....

Once the NeuCoin decentralized cryptocurrency is created, the founding team will donate the source code and the premined coins to Neucoin’s non-profit foundations in the Isle of Man: the NeuCoin Code Foundation, the NeuCoin Growth Foundation and the NeuCoin Utility Foundation. The foundations will then transfer 100 million coins to NEU Development Ltd in exchange for the funds raised in the Presale, and NEU Development Ltd will transfer your coins to you. Following this last transaction, NEU Development Ltd will be dissolved....

All BTC raised will be held at a publicly visible multisig Bitcoin address, which you will be able to check on a daily basis, where it will stay until either
a) NeuCoin launches according to plan and the purchasers are given their NeuCoins,"

And in a later post Sandrine clarifies,
"After NeuCoin is launched the BTC will be transferred to the NeuCoin Foundations and the NeuCoin tokens to the purchasers."

It doesn't seem to have happened like that.
Not transfered from MrNuks to 3 "separate" foundations.
Not transfered from nEU Development Ltd in exchange for 100million nokoin.

So, does nEU Development Ltd still controls the bitcoin?
It remains in the same wallet. (some has been spent)
Hasn't nEU Development Ltd been dissolved?

The 3 "seperate" foundations should own this presale bitcoin as promised.
In 3 seperate addresses I would assume.
But it looks like the nokoin team see nokoin as their own piggy bank.
nokoin team do what they like, regardless of promises.
Just make it up as they go along.

Every tx out of MrNuks is straight through the mixer, just like many of the supposed presale purchases.

Horrid, deceptive nokoin.


sr. member
Activity: 426
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It's the whole proposition of understanding what cryptocurrency is, grasping the concept of the blockchain and mining and then downloading a client and staking and all that - it's just not something that any mainstream consumer will ever do. That's not the way more mainstream users will come onboard, it just isn't.


I am not talking about tech details, this really is for just a few, like it always was. There are clients that offer great simplicity for inexperienced users - and I would prefer them 1000 times over a "Facebook wallet". What you are thinking is dangerous. You want to drag people to "like" a coin (any coin, this is not about this one in particular) for all the wrong reasons.

Despite what I believe for this one, you have to let time do its job and people will turn to cryptocurrencies on their own. There are so many advantages and, practically, no disadvantages in doing so.

Read a very simple article that states the facts in an excellent way:
http://cointelegraph.com/news/115020/people-are-just-too-stupid-to-use-bitcoin-right-now

People need to be educated and choose cryptocurrencies over traditional "money" for litarally thousands of reasons
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