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to point 1.)
please explain me where you see a proof that the dev of quazarcoin is connected to bytecoin?
i can't find one, he did a fork, monero was a fork, so what is the problem?

It's in the original post under "all tied up in a bow" or something like that. Essentially all of the cryptonote/bytecoin-run coins used the same ISPs, same mail providers, same very idiosyncratic web designs elements, etc. A reasonable sample of other coins shows that very few if any unaffiliated coins used the same hosting resources and I very much doubt any of them used the css reset. Some of this was likely changed after that post came out, but it was accurate at the time (I checked most of it).

This is not 100% absolute irrefutable evidence (though I'm not sure what would be) but is pretty damn compelling, especially when viewed in light of the comparison with other, clearly-unaffiliated coins.

i searched a little bit in the original threads and my conclusion is that oracionseis just made a new clean launch, with under the circumstances a very unlucky first name but he launched the coin as QuazarCoin.
i see nothing fishy here (with exception of the first used name, but he launched not with that name!), can you give me a link where the discussion about same ISPs etc happened?
i watched here https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-mro-monero-privacy-data-protection-cpu-only-0-premine-fast-miner.310690/page-4




and additional how can it be a scam? there is no premine, not even a emission curve, which favours early miners extraordinary.
so please explain, i am really interested in your answer.

Who knows. You'd have to ask them. I've commented on the caretaker developer pump-and-dump scam (they're holding coins from early mining and will keep up appearance of development while they slowly sell, until they're done, and then its good bye for good), but I will be the first to admit I'm totally guessing. However, I'm going to be a bit skeptical when affiliation with a clearly-scummy organization (and with respect to your comment about the truth being the first casualty, this really isn't even controversial any more) has been demonstrated.


maybe the quazarcoin devs want to say sth. ?
but not even the caretaker argument is valid in this state, because there is not much room for dumping Smiley. and also i mined with my old crappy hardware (RIP) in the first weeks and even with that i got nearly 80 quazars (don't laugh this here is just like a hobby for me) and it looks not that they want to abandon the coin.

to point 2.)
to be honest i don't get it, whats the point here (english is not my native language) ?

Someone claimed that the GUI was "recently" developed, and cited this as evidence of this coin having very active development. I disagree and the link provides background support for my claim that the GUI was largely developed by early June.

ok what i can say is that the first gui-wallet was for mac, made by pfo, link here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7196215 (8 june)

i still keep my opinion that i see here absolut no sign of a scam but a lot of blood in the streets, too many emotions and suspicions etc.,  but in contrary a nice launch, a very nice emission curve and devs which are looking still trustworthy for me.
i will stay with QuazarCoin


good luck all and peace, there are quite more important things in the world actually then this kind of crypto-greed and crypto-war (no offending and not specific just saying it generally) which i am experiencing here

edit: s-h-i-t  Tongue https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8742953
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Could we call Quazarcoin the safest and most anonymous coin, or all coins that are CN-based provide the same level of anonymity?
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I have my doubts that the long-term strategy of Quazarcoin mining will justify itself. The electricity bill sort of scared me last week.
One of the reasons I'm attracted to Quazarcoin is that it has a slower emission curve than some of it's competition. Bitcoin was designed for the long-term and has a slow emission curve and Quazarcoins curve is similar but slightly slower. Some other coins, have a much faster curve and what's going to happen when the coins are all mined? Transaction fees may not be sufficient to attract miners. The developers might have to modify the coin to keep the network functioning. We will see what happens. The design of some of the other coins seems rather short-sighted to me.

I agree completely. Aggressive emission curves result with security issues in the latter phase due to insufficient network hashrates.
Some miners and investors wanted already to get rich fast this way but they could not find fools to secure and move their riches trough the network, so it turned into ashes.
 
The additional problem is the early period being dominated by the private and closed source GPU miner and it may cover all the early distribution phase.
Quazarcoin is also affected by this issue but it will not hit as much the total distribution in the long period.
That is why I decided to stick with Quazarcoin.


 I quite agree here. I trust Quazarcoin devs team, I think they've been doing a great job.
Devs of some other coins (we won't reveal their names, even though we all know them) used viruses and Trojans in their code to infect miners' computers. Also, some devs make childish mistakes in the code, which results in loss of miners' money. This has never happened in Quazarcoin, what's why I think this coin deserves my attention despite the low price.
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I have my doubts that the long-term strategy of Quazarcoin mining will justify itself. The electricity bill sort of scared me last week.
One of the reasons I'm attracted to Quazarcoin is that it has a slower emission curve than some of it's competition. Bitcoin was designed for the long-term and has a slow emission curve and Quazarcoins curve is similar but slightly slower. Some other coins, have a much faster curve and what's going to happen when the coins are all mined? Transaction fees may not be sufficient to attract miners. The developers might have to modify the coin to keep the network functioning. We will see what happens. The design of some of the other coins seems rather short-sighted to me.

I agree completely. Aggressive emission curves result with security issues in the latter phase due to insufficient network hashrates.
Some miners and investors wanted already to get rich fast this way but they could not find fools to secure and move their riches trough the network, so it turned into ashes.
 
The additional problem is the early period being dominated by the private and closed source GPU miner and it may cover all the early distribution phase.
Quazarcoin is also affected by this issue but it will not hit as much the total distribution in the long period.
That is why I decided to stick with Quazarcoin.
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I have my doubts that the long-term strategy of Quazarcoin mining will justify itself. The electricity bill sort of scared me last week.

One of the reasons I'm attracted to Quazarcoin is that it has a slower emission curve than some of it's competition. Bitcoin was designed for the long-term and has a slow emission curve and Quazarcoins curve is similar but slightly slower. Some other coins, have a much faster curve and what's going to happen when the coins are all mined? Transaction fees may not be sufficient to attract miners. The developers might have to modify the coin to keep the network functioning. We will see what happens. The design of some of the other coins seems rather short-sighted to me.
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I have my doubts that the long-term strategy of Quazarcoin mining will justify itself. The electricity bill sort of scared me last week.
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Today I discovered video guides for windows users. They are really useful and helpful. Whoever is using Windows, must try it. I highly recommend them.
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I have a few geeky questions about cryptonote.

Why are the incoming transaction amounts broken into multiple inputs. Like for example, 34.7 might show as
3 inputs: 30, 4 and 0.7

JSON incoming transaction lists look like this:
Code:
[ { amount: 700000000000,
    global_index: 55734,
    spent: false,
    tx_hash: '<2c96d15134c272bd03a7677eb48bef5f0c3a8de29f215c71f60b59e6a4a73baa>' },
  { amount: 4000000000000,
    global_index: 25328,
    spent: false,
    tx_hash: '<2c96d15134c272bd03a7677eb48bef5f0c3a8de29f215c71f60b59e6a4a73baa>' },
  { amount: 30000000000000,
    global_index: 745,
    spent: false,
    tx_hash: '<2c96d15134c272bd03a7677eb48bef5f0c3a8de29f215c71f60b59e6a4a73baa>' } ]

Is this done for anonymity? Is there any danger in summing these together to get the original transaction amount in the user's wallet?

What does the "global_index" property mean?

You're right, it was made for anonymity. When you're sending an anonymous transaction, you have to find other outputs for each of the outputs you have. The outputs need to be standard in order to make it easier.

"global_index" is a number of a single output from the list of outputs for the same amount.
Thankyou! That makes sense. It should be OK to add the inputs together in the wallet to get the whole transaction amount. So long as the inputs have all come into the wallet the total should be correct. I asked because I'm working on my own GUI wallet project, which I started before the other wallet was released. It's no longer needed but is a fun project for me.
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why so slow blocks generated? times of 30 minutes or more....

The blocks are supposed to be 2 minutes apart on average. Lets see:

We are at approx block 82,500, so 82,500 blocks have been generated.

It's been almost 4 months since release. The minutes that have passed since then is about:

4*30*24*60 or 172,800 minutes

That would average about 172,800/82,500 or 2.09 minutes/block.

If you see larger times, maybe you are looking at the time between the generation of blocks at a particular pool, not for the whole network.
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I have a few geeky questions about cryptonote.

Why are the incoming transaction amounts broken into multiple inputs. Like for example, 34.7 might show as
3 inputs: 30, 4 and 0.7

JSON incoming transaction lists look like this:
Code:
[ { amount: 700000000000,
    global_index: 55734,
    spent: false,
    tx_hash: '<2c96d15134c272bd03a7677eb48bef5f0c3a8de29f215c71f60b59e6a4a73baa>' },
  { amount: 4000000000000,
    global_index: 25328,
    spent: false,
    tx_hash: '<2c96d15134c272bd03a7677eb48bef5f0c3a8de29f215c71f60b59e6a4a73baa>' },
  { amount: 30000000000000,
    global_index: 745,
    spent: false,
    tx_hash: '<2c96d15134c272bd03a7677eb48bef5f0c3a8de29f215c71f60b59e6a4a73baa>' } ]

Is this done for anonymity? Is there any danger in summing these together to get the original transaction amount in the user's wallet?

What does the "global_index" property mean?

You're right, it was made for anonymity. When you're sending an anonymous transaction, you have to find other outputs for each of the outputs you have. The outputs need to be standard in order to make it easier.

"global_index" is a number of a single output from the list of outputs for the same amount.
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why so slow blocks generated? times of 30 minutes or more....

Yes, you're right. I hope next update will solve this problem

I might have misunderstood you. Nevertheless, blocks are found regularly which you can see if you look at the blockchain https://minergate.com/blockchain/qcn/blocks
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to point 1.)
please explain me where you see a proof that the dev of quazarcoin is connected to bytecoin?
i can't find one, he did a fork, monero was a fork, so what is the problem?

It's in the original post under "all tied up in a bow" or something like that. Essentially all of the cryptonote/bytecoin-run coins used the same ISPs, same mail providers, same very idiosyncratic web designs elements, etc. A reasonable sample of other coins shows that very few if any unaffiliated coins used the same hosting resources and I very much doubt any of them used the css reset. Some of this was likely changed after that post came out, but it was accurate at the time (I checked most of it).

This is not 100% absolute irrefutable evidence (though I'm not sure what would be) but is pretty damn compelling, especially when viewed in light of the comparison with other, clearly-unaffiliated coins.

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and additional how can it be a scam? there is no premine, not even a emission curve, which favours early miners extraordinary.
so please explain, i am really interested in your answer.

Who knows. You'd have to ask them. I've commented on the caretaker developer pump-and-dump scam (they're holding coins from early mining and will keep up appearance of development while they slowly sell, until they're done, and then its good bye for good), but I will be the first to admit I'm totally guessing. However, I'm going to be a bit skeptical when affiliation with a clearly-scummy organization (and with respect to your comment about the truth being the first casualty, this really isn't even controversial any more) has been demonstrated.

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to point 2.)
to be honest i don't get it, whats the point here (english is not my native language) ?

Someone claimed that the GUI was "recently" developed, and cited this as evidence of this coin having very active development. I disagree and the link provides background support for my claim that the GUI was largely developed by early June.

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to point 5.)
read your last post and therefore my first sentence of my answer was:
"are you not in the monero dev team and you have the need to make this post here?",
i respect your opinion, but the sound makes the music.

Fair enough. I comment on all sorts of things, especially scams and other questionable practices. I did this before I started working on Monero and I'll do it after.
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Devs, do you remember about a Quazarcoin? I would like to see some updates, which will indicates that the coin isn't dead

They recently developed a GUI wallet, which is a major thing. But they haven't changed their github pages for 2 months. People who go to github to see how active the developers are will get the impression that they aren't doing much. For that reason I think it's important to keep github up to date with he latest improvements. Unless there is a reason not to, the new wallet should be included on github. Even if it's currently at the alpha stage, it can be put on github and labelled alpha.

The GUI wallet was not "recently developed." It was released on June 6, and recently rereleased. There is no real development going on here. The lead developer pops in every once in a while and makes some posts, what he does the rest of the time I have no idea, but it has little to do with the coin.

The thread itself is kept alive by a series of one- or two-line posts that are almost always devoid of real content (usually some form of cheerleading or inane comment). I have no idea if these are deliberate sock puppets or bots that are mining post counts for sig campaigns. Almost certainly one or the other (or both).

You are witnessing a coin-mill clone coin in the caretaker phase. More info: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/blowing-the-lid-off-the-cryptonotebytecoin-scam-with-the-exception-of-monero-740112


are you not in the monero dev team and you have the need to make this post here?
i thought you are smooth and not ugly, but nice to know.

and to your link, its about the shady origin of bytecoin and has nothing to do with quazarcoin.
but the article is like propaganda against all other cryptonotes, of course with exception of monero (such a random).

and finally you say that here are only sockpuppets posting, lol whats wrong with you?

Monero looks from day to day more shady for me, the aggresive behaviour of the community, the whales which i think controlling the market nearly complete and im sure at one point they want to cash out or move to a better opportunity, leaving the small fishes alone, the extreme emission curve which is only nice for the very early miners and so on..

1. The link is relevant because it explained how QCN and a bunch of other coins are all run by the same shady CryptoNote people behind the bytecoin scam. Monero obviously is not, and this is not "random" since its developers are all well known in the community and some even go by their real identities. Which of the shady Cryptonote clone coins has developers using real identities?

2. The link is also directly relevant because the QCN developer posted on that thread explaining how the wallet was developed for QCN back in June (I mistakenly thought it was developed for XMR first, but that was wrong and I corrected that).

3. I see mostly sock puppets posting here. That is a fact.

4. If you enjoy QCN have fun with it, in fact you might as well take over developing it, because no one else is really doing much.

5. Why try to change the subject to (your opinion about) Monero? Did I mention Monero at all? Did I try to promote it? Answer: No to all of the above. I responded to a comment about the GUI and the amount of development happening here that I felt was misleading, and I explained my the background for my opinion by referring to rethink-your-strategy's research. Simple as that.


i tried to read most of the linked stuff, but i am not finished with all, but it looks really like a cryptonote war, and we know the truth is the first casualty of war.

to point 1.)
please explain me where you see a proof that the dev of quazarcoin is connected to bytecoin?
i can't find one, he did a fork, monero was a fork, so what is the problem?
and additional how can it be a scam? there is no premine, not even a emission curve, which favours early miners extraordinary.
so please explain, i am really interested in your answer.

to point 2.)
to be honest i don't get it, whats the point here (english is not my native language) ?

to point 3.)
should i answer this... not really, but yes could be more activity here.

to point 4.)
i have no time at all, but as i see the quazarcoin dev is doing what he is promising and also just in time.
as example i asked if there is a linux-gui wallet available, and few days later it was available, nice Smiley

to point 5.)
read your last post and therefore my first sentence of my answer was:
"are you not in the monero dev team and you have the need to make this post here?",
i respect your opinion, but the sound makes the music.
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why so slow blocks generated? times of 30 minutes or more....

Yes, you're right. I hope next update will solve this problem
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Hi;
I just tried out the new GUI wallet on Ubuntu 14.04. It looks real good to me. It has the basic functionality that people need. I imagine that more features will be added later when the API has been further developed and we have more RPC calls to work with.

In order for it to work, I had to put it in the same directory as quazarcoind and simplewallet and change the permissions to make it executable:

chmod +x Quazarcoin-Wallet-Linux

I installed the required dependencies:

sudo apt-get install libgdiplus mono-runtime

I did not start quazarcoind and simplewallet before starting Quazarcoin-Wallet-Linux, because I assumed that the new wallet would do that. It came up with a new Quazarcoin address with no coins in it. It seems, it didn't detect that I already had a wallet generated with coins in it and created a new one. That scared me a little, because I thought that it might have overwritten my files and I had lost my coins. But I tried simplewallet again and my coins are still there.

Before I experiment with it more, I'd like to backup my Quazarcoin address and coins just to be safe. I know how to do that with ordinary cryptocoins, but not with cryptonote. What files do I need to save?

If you use Quazarcoin-Wallet-Linux you can use Export&Import functions. If you use daemon&simplewallet your data is automatically saved in the folder.
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Anyone else having trouble getting coins from minin.gs? Or just me? Emailed support and nothing

You can send PM to gpools who is the pool owner.
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Folks, pay attention to Extreme Pool.

33zer0w0lf kindly reduced the fee to 0%.

http://qcn.extremepool.org
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