Topic: [ANN] Qora | Released 16 May | 100% POS | New Source - page 301. (Read 748250 times)

Calling the Qora dev reliable and capable is FUD now? It seems you're pretty desperate.
And my view on the situation is not FUD, it's just as it is.

I made a slight mistake. I forgot an "only" in the competition sentence. Qora is currently only "competing" with NXT for a market niche.
It has the pros of better useability and sometimes faster transactions. NXT feels to complicated in everyday use.

On the con side NXT is a lot further developed and has the asset exchange. (Just to make it clear, NXT has the con of being a bitch if you actually try to use it easy and secure )

I don't think this is a feature Qora is getting.

And those other coins are all completly differently bread beasts. Skycoin is actually trying to reinvent data transfer as a whole, completly without ISPs. They surely make a good partner for the maidsafe project. All the others have their own niche.

Now for some real FUD, a simple question:
What is Qoras niche? (Maybe I overlooked something)

Hey MightyX
If you want to help me to make FUD and buy cheap do it better please

Which arguments?
The ROI? I don't care about that. I think it was also only mentioned a couple of pages back and when Qora went life. Besides that, not all that much. You have a wrong perspective on that. It seems you are slightly sensitive to criticism. At least it feels like that.

I've been here a while and I don't see attacks on Qora. There are just people with normal opinions mostly voiced in a reasonable manner. Sadly they are often treated like trolls.

"objectively", this thread, lulz  

Skycoin is one you don't hear talked about very often but has some serious implications.
The bigger meshnet project is amazingly ambitious.
The Qora dev has proven himself to be reliable and capable, but you are right he has some very big competition.

No need to use bounty every time we need something done. If the community is able to do a job there's no reason for outsource.

Well, a lot of people here have a lot of Qora. You know the concept of bounties?
That will surely help a lot.

In any case, all major stakeholders should go and communicate about bounties. Hoping people will just jump in here and do a lot of work will surely not work out so well, given the combination of distribution and tone in the thread.

Your unfoolable seventsh sense and my Sig I assume.

I'm in NXT, Qora and a couple of others. Voicing a reasonable opinion without trolling seems to make me a perceived attacker. I'm not going to argue here, as it seems pretty senseless getting a normal reflected opinion in this thread.

This has some upsides of course. On the long run it will most likely drive talented people away from this thread and coin. And the starting bonus can only go for so long.

I wonder if Qora alone can live up to all expectations in time.

NXT has a whole team of developers, as has EXO and ethereum. Skycoin is around the corner and who looks closely will find at least two more project worth mentioning (both of them with only a single dev though, but they both move into uncharted market niches)

Qora is in direct competition with NXT. I wonder which will finally prevail. A lot of people here will say it is Qora. Which is possible, but objectively unlikely.

Really nice design Dzarmush! Also really nice the work and effort you put into Qora and the community, thank you

Back to business!

I've just had a conversation with qora. Here's a plan.

We'll have an open source project for Qora official website.

Design is done. It might be slightly changed based on new circumstances, but at the moment we can start with this one.



Full size

What do we need

We need a developer who are ready to volunteer and knows how to make it open source. Probably using GitHub.

We need to choose CMS. Wordpress?

It's nice to see someone actually absorbed what I said and the gears in their brain are actually turning to produce a response.

You are mostly right. But I didn't say buying into an IPO is a loan, I did say that mechanically they are the same. I guess maybe I needed to be more specific and say a "crypto IPO"? You are correct in that in essence it is a sale in its most basic sense. But this sale is made with the intention of returning these coins to the market. Correct?

No one ever buys cryptocoins with the intention of never selling them, ever. I think we can agree on that.
If you buy into cryptocoins with the intention of selling them at a later point, again, I stand by what I said, that is the same as loan. You are "loaning" your money to the market or an investor with the intention of making that money back with interest in the future. Whether your funds go to one party (developer) and are returned through another (market) makes no difference in this argument.

It has the same risks as a loan; the person you are loaning the money to may flee the country, waste it or otherwise die. The same could be said for cryptocurrency. You may invest into a cryptocurrency with the intention of selling it for more later and the market could tank. This would be the same result as if you loaned the money and the person you loaned it to died. They both started the same and both ended the same.


For example you may think investing in a mutual fund is completely different than loaning money to a borrower, because a mutual fund through a bank is a safe investment, whereas loaning money to someone is inherently risky. This is incorrect. They both have the same risks. With the loan you are betting that the person can and will pay you back. When you invest with a bank you are still betting that that bank won't go bankrupt or won't mismanage your funds. The risk is greatly (by magnitudes) reduced, but it is still there.
Look at the royal bank of Scotland, they just lost 46 Billion of taxpayers money this past year.

You are definitely right that a loan has an explicit agreement that it will be paid back. I would counter that a crypto IPO has an "implied agreement" that it will be worth MORE than the IPO price. Hence the being paid back part of the loan conjecture.

So when people say investing in an IPO is different than a loan its not really true. A loan IS an investment. They are just financial instruments accomplishing the same thing.

I feel like we are pretty far off topic though.
The hivemind is strong in this thread.

I see where you are coming from, but it's not really a loan. It is a sale, a transfer of asset with a pre-order system. When you go to the mall to trade your USD for Euros you are just buying Euros for $.

Also, a loan implies an agreement that this will be paid back. Qora signed no such promissory note against the "IPO" funds. He basically provided a pre-order system trading one asset (BTC) for another asset (Qora).

Please can we stop the Ad hominem attacks? There really is no need for the name calling and insults. It really hurts the signal to noise ratio.

Ideally we need one of Qora stakeholders for the job. He will be much more motivated than someone who just gets money for it.

If we won't be able to find such guy, we'll pay from the marketing fund.

You think that coin market cap should depend on IPO results — you're welcome to create a new thread.

We're working on development here, so gtfo.

To ignore someone because they have a differing opinion from your own shows some pretty low ethics.

Maybe what some of you guys don't understand is what you call an IPO is not an IPO.

Buying into an IPO gives you part ownership in a company, buying into a crypto IPO gives you coins, not ownership.

a crypto IPO is nothing more than a presale.

A presale of coins you intend to sell at a later date.

Mechanics-wise, this is the same as buying a bond or loaning.

I can't make that any simpler.
For anyone to actually read that and somehow fool themselves into not agreeing with that is pretty sad and shows they are not interested in listening to any differing opinions than their own.

To potential website dev.

I follow the thread day and night but for a super quick respond it's better to PM me.

I wanted to have several banners in the header and it's just on of them, so it's not like there will only be this image forever.

+1

If he's not one of Qora investors he might not interested in participation. It's better to have someone who cares about Qora success. But if for some reason he'd be willing to collaborate that would be great.

Layout looks nice except for the top header. Two logos one on top of the other is redundant and diminishes the intrigue of the awesome 3d logo.

No argue on that