Topic: [ANN] [QRK] Quark | Core 0.10 upgrade - page 118. (Read 1031025 times)

is it worth to buy this coin atm?

Okay, I think I understand how Quarkcoin may benefit from a fork. Suppose that a fork does happen, I can't help but imagine lots of users would be negatively affected by the fork in the same way hidden wallets are. I find it fairly easy to rationalize the need for a fork because of the large wallet holders. Although, you can't demonize all the large wallets together, right? I mean, all of the large wallet holders can't all be in on some sort of quasi-distribution scheme. Maybe some are making an attempt, but I have a hard time believing all of them are to blame. What about the internationally-based QRK market exchanges? Aren't they also included in holding large volumes? I remember when Russia had more public-listed nodes than any other country. Doesn't that mean there should be large wallet holders over there, too? The dynamic has changed. Kolin is just a cancerous entity trying to take advantage where he can, when he can. Sure, there are large holders who are North American continent-based. I just can't imagine this issue being too black/white.

IMHO, I am skeptical of any alternative that changes the current state of things because of the potential for volatility and mass market manipulation. I think our energy is best invested in other forms of improvement upon QRK. Such as, educating people about what cryptocurrencies are in-general. Selling/Buying  goods/services for QRK. Mining QRK with p2pool and running a node. There is so much talk and lots of wild ideas related to forking. Not enough doing.

Edit: two words.

@fk



forking helped a lot of coins in the past which were accused of false distribution / scam .

If you do not wanna fork that means you agree that kolin and max will hold over 60% of the new solution ?
Ouch this way you can be sure the next solution will be a mess too as we both know kolin gives shit about a coin as long as he can make a quick buck.

The fork would be to kick out all these hidden wallets from kolin and max so you can say that at least 55% of these 60% will be kicked out and that a dumping wouldnt be possible anymore like they did in quark.

Why do you guys think Kolin is so extremly against a hard fork ?Because the coin could loose in faith which doesnt exist (hehe) or because he would loose his hidden wallets and his advantage
He even has banned half of the community and discredited them massivly because they started asking about these big hidden wallets and demanded changes just to protect these.Why do you think would somebody ban half of the community if he had no coins as he claimed to have 100k at these times

Hello all, lots of troubling politics and talk ITT lately.

Thought I'd come to express my concern for Quarkcoin and the community.

To fork or not to fork?

I absolutely do not think Quark needs to be forked. If you value anything about this coin you will not support forking it because it will be worthless. This would be due to the fact our coins would be useless/incompatible with the new fork of QRK. Correct me if I am wrong, please. From what I can tell a fork can only hurt a coin, and as far as I know, you cannot change a coin without re-writing/doing the entire blockchain.


KOLIN (areyoukiddingme.png)

Alright, people. Seriously, Kolin is a market manipulator and a liar.

You guys remember that he was in bed with Bill Still, right?

Here's some evidence: http://forum.qrk.cc/thread/1439/help-bill-quark-random-addresses

Forum Post


Announcing to the public that you're moving large amounts of money..

I'm sorry, but that is definitely not what people do when they privately move large amounts of money.

The crude screenshot he posted in reply to the post he made.

https://i.imgur.com/Y78C7RQ.png

I can go on about how much of a bad person Kolin is in regards to how he behaves. However, I will not because if you don't see through his bullshit then you need to clear your lenses.

Not exactly, if someone wants to be part of foundation and only participates with only $20-$50 yearly (about 1,500 - 4000 QRK), if there are 100 quarkers we'll have around 300,000 QRK available funds to pay dev team, an larger active community which will be involved in decisions and a complete decentralization to quark foundation. If you only allow those with > 200K then you'll only get 1-2 foundation members and we'll be in the same boat as we are now. We need more quarkers to come forward and promote it, not rely only on those 5-10% big purse holders.

Why not making a hard fork?

Collecting quarks from all active users to one account if its not over xxxxxx coins (with checking history from where the quarks are coming (premine) ).Creating a list with all active members who gave their quarks before the hard fork.After the hard fork you create a super block giving 12% of the coin where 10% will be divided by the active members and 2% given to the new dev team.

This way you would get rid of all big fake wallets ,have clear structur,old members wont be kicked out or forgatten and no mining issues anymore

This way you would make a clean up,hold quark as brand and gain old power back.

After that you need a new clear leadership and devteam and quark is getting back attractv without
bad attitudes.

Of course Max and Kolin wont agree .....but you are the community and need to decide what is the best.


Changing dev team and leadership without changing fundamentals wont change anything

As strange as it sounds i think to be a board member or foundation member for qrk you would need a substantial amount of qrks to demostrate your commitment to the coin. I would suggest 200k as a minimum and some history in the qrk community.

Ok so I tested the multisig address and it works http://quarktalk.org/index.php?threads/quark-foundation-multisig-address.16/#post-23, however I need some help on how to spend from that address. It involves 2 out of 3 to sign the transaction but still unclear of the steps in terms of rpc commands, if someone knows please share.

ah thanks, i see it now.


Yeah, sad to hear max did not show for the discussion. I think we can assume we need a new development team if we are to take qrk further.

1. leadership
2. funding
3. development team/marketing team ... whitepapers and plans.


Funding is the key problem.

proof of burn will work if done as qrkfx states

donations would work but why should we donate when huge wallets will give nothing but gain the most from any work done. I think this is the reason most will not donate and it's a valid point.

the people i have spoken to from the foundation before seem very driven and smart people. I'm sure we can fund them to work together on qrk or qrk companion coin great things could be done.

Another perhaps even more radical move could be to bond with another coins community and create a hybrid coin. I mean qrk still has top 20 position, and although the minting is 300M i would say a huge proportion is taken off of the market never to return until some of those investors consider opening their wallets in another 20 years.

Or rather let another coin with some very talented developers bond with QRK and benefit from the QRK name, i think it is one of the most known and nicest names out there, we have the shaq game lined up, already on exchanges, some great people that think big working behind the scenes, community members that are established on the board.

Not some coin like mimimi junk, i mean a coin with a proven dedicated and motivated developer whom if had a lot more support, funding and our current teams behind him could bring some great things to qrk. Perhaps something similar in size to qrks market cap.

Transparency and community consultation/involvement would be key to this.

Some of these new coins really do have some good tech devs leading them but they are fighting it out because they have come in late to the game compared to qrk. A symbiotic relationship could well be formed here between the right communities.

I think there are a lot of qrk holders that would be interested in absorbing a great dev and great community.

That's quite a strange idea i guess but just one i though some could read and consider. All we really need is some confidence again and some indications we are moving forward again.

However, the proof of burn seems interesting since it does establish a development pot too. If more people are happy with that than the qrk only ipo companion coin that's cool we should get some excellent developers onboard and ask them what % of the minting will be required to keep them onboard. Of course they will only get it released to them gradually.

The burn address is kind of hard to prove according to people that i have asked. Because you need proof the private keys have been destroyed 100%? how would you know the person setting up the burn address deleted the private keys 100%?

The more i think about the burn idea i quite like it, because if by burning a quark you'd get 0.7 atom (or whatever name we use, i think we could use atom because 1 i suggested it to the dev of molecule being sarcastic because he just cloned qrk and called in molecule, and 2 that coin is dead long ago)

so

0.7 atom
0.15 atom goes to the foundation pot
0.15 released back to the community for activity and participation.

of course atom is just an example we can come up with a better name or if possible keep the name Quark.


superblock
qrk only ipo companion
qrk burning
coin merge

all if handled correctly could do a lot of good for qrk.



I mean i agree with people saying why don't we just all focus on marketing qrk, building services for qrk, get a new developer for qrk.

Funding is key to all of those things, people will not do if for free and those large investors in qrk ....well they are just sitting there waiting for someone else to make them wealthy.

Would be ideal if those on the new foundation were fairly large qrk holders though. I mean nothing motivates humans like personal gain.

RE: Leadership the key thing is that we know for example that if we want to post a bounty if someone will do escrow. So let's say I could be treasurer for example, or at least I want to know who is. So I can post a bounty and have it be looked after by an active community member who holds some Quark. I've got about 40,000 Quark, are we going to start naming board members with stated amounts in their portfolio??

I think I made myself look like a fool because I just checked Quark code and we already have multisig capabilities!   

See this list for the core members http://quarktalk.org/index.php?members/&type=staff

quarkfx is there and coinmama as well and Vic should be there as well, also you should sign up.

there is no inner circle, there are only Quark core supporters, if anyone is a quark believer then he'll be part of the foundation team automatically unless the majority will not want to, the new forum is ready and only details needs to be established about how to raise the pot for dev team and quark projects, current quark supporters are listed here http://quarktalk.org/index.php?members/&type=staff
I hope we'll have an open IRC meeting in the next week or so to lay down a more clearer path of how to raise funds, I hoped that we could create a P2sh address for quark but unfortunately I just learned that Max didn't participate in last week meeting in which the multisig implementation would've been raised. We will work out the details but meanwhile I hope quarkers just stop getting manipulated by Thule or others, its clear they have their own agenda and only try to discriminate Quark by posing ridiculous things like 60% Kolin, X1N algos, etc.

Let's start with building the foundation now then so it is transparent and we all know who form the leadership here.


I have seen names mentioned in relation to the current qrk foundation who i have never heard of. I mean let's get everyone out in the open and have some transparency of leadership which will lead to more confidence in the future of qrk.


Can someone create a list of qrk inner circle members here.

Vic
Coinmama
QuarkFX

? who else.

Oh holding 60% Quark ?   Right. If we talk speculation then and I hold 30% of Bitcoin The quark was well distributed in the early days to more than 1000 miners, I fail to see how 60% got in the hands of Kolin ?

Also Max doesn't hold much qrk, that was the problem because we wanted to create a fund for the dev team so that they are paid in QRK to continue to work and improving the protocol. Any new developer that wants to come and work will be paid from this pot which we'll try to raise it from core supporters.


At the moment we don't have any foundation and we'll have one, Kolin will not be allowed to join it by the majority votes, simple as that. Those who left quark because they thought he was in control were simply not on terms on how a decentralized community works, people TALK and express their ideas or maybe do negative press and could create the illusion of power but in fact NO one is in charge. I think those who left Quark just needed an scapegoat for the decline in price and now they come here posing as heroes who recommended `cloak` to other quark universe members! WTF, these kind of people will leave their new found love coin just like they left Quark and will find a new scapegoat for their new coin too.

Let's first establish some leadership.

I mean the community does not even know who are really currently part of the qrk foundation.

Who right now is at the core?

Vic ?  max (is he around any longer) , coinmama?, qrkfx

I mean qrk is so secretive and the dev only speaks to a few select members of the community?


Let's get some clear leadership set up and start moving forward. One thing is clear we need a great developer back involved with the project, for that we will need a development pot for incentive.

No point having all of the coins resting with people who have forgotten they own them. I bet there are a ton of people with a few 100 bucks worth of qrk that think they will open those wallets in 20years to millions of dollars. Right now we need people holding qrk who will get active in our community.


So

VIC, coinmama, qrkFX,  

stop being shy , come forward are you part of the current qrk foundation/core and would you be interested in being part of the leadership.

I would want pepoole to have incentive and interest in seeing qrk succeed so i hope the leadership would be qrk holders to the tune of 200k at the least.

The more i hear of the quarkFX proof of burn process, i like it since it seems to create usable funds for community and development, this is key for brining on a development team.

I still like the qrk ipo only companion coin, because i think it covers more bases and would appeal to more people. Since qrk could stay the mainstream face whilst the companion coin draws in anon pos seekers and test base for any new features we might want to consider adding to qrk later. Of course both could share services and marketing to a certain degree.

However since there seems little community support for the companion coin let's go proof of burn if people prefer that.

Whatever, we need funding for our current teams, we need leadership and a new lead developer who is active and will install some confidence in the future of qrk/darkquark/core or whatever the new coin will be called.

The main issue is not getting kolin away from leading but also getting his and max big wallets away.
60% of all coins......hmmm doesnt sound good and was the major reason why the community started fighting.
I really can't understand why you guys dont see this as an issue.This is killing each and every coin.


The issue is that holding 60% by a few people is getting the new centralisation since they will dictate the price the up or down of a coin.

Do you really want that the people who destroyed quark have again so much power ?

Remember rothschild.Its not important who is the leader ,as long as he has control over the money

@kitaco

That xblabla crap is retarded and over hyped just for pump purposes. quark has random hashing which those don't, also the biggest 2 coins don't have x11-15-17-19-21 or whatever so at the end it comes down to marketing

Bitcoin has many representers and has a bigger network, also karpeles screw up really did it's blow to the Bitcoin price as well as the community. He was also removed from the Bitcoin foundation.

Yes you just made 2-3 posts about X1N algos before this post and talked very negative about Quark because a user of Quark(Kolin) is still using this thread or reddit to post his ideas, so how would you like to remove him ? Banning him from posting or what ? As far as I see it, you can go with your Cloak pump and leave Quark alone, we don't need speculators.