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newbie
Activity: 118
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  "blocks": 14516,
  "currentblockweight": 4000,
  "currentblocktx": 0,
  "difficulty": 908106.801590743,
  "errors": "",
  "networkhashps": 5329237777407.467,
  "pooledtx": 0,
  "chain": "main"
}


owwwww soon diff 1million...and networkhashrate go beyond jupiter. not sure i will let my pc mining robo core Sad its sad, this token sound good.
newbie
Activity: 84
Merit: 0
I'll have to think about where to go next. My brain hurts!
Understand you, but what wallet do you prefer more?
member
Activity: 105
Merit: 10
Unfortunately this project will have to open up in the traditional way for ASICs and others.  That's ok, I'd rather see it live on than die.  

Note to all, I'm going to adjust the PoW scheduling to react better with ASIC level hashing.  It'll be more or less the same as it is now with less extreme difficulty adjustments.  And... as with the 0.15.2, this next release will be a mandatory update.  I'll keep the board well informed of the status.


No No NO! To ASICS...
Please don't do that.
That makes this coin no different from every other broken ASIC coin....please stick with the plan.
If people don't want to stay, fine, let them go, but enough people will stay to mine coin.
It only needs 2 people to actually keep coin alive, and from there it can grow steadily over time.
Please try and limit back to cpu only via wallet only...if you do, your coin will stand alone against a tide of sh*t coins...
Give it a chance...as they say Rome wasn't built in a day
J


I tend to agree.
Is the fact that it's hard to mine really a bad thing?


If the dev can somehow have it so it works via wallet mining etc only. I'm more than happy to put my time into mining this coin and having wallet open and could even host a node if needed if it's easy enough to set up a node for the wallet.
total agrre no asic please but the initial idea was good but sha means asic so.... i will let my pc mining and will see.


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  "blocks": 14031,
  "currentblockweight": 4900,
  "currentblocktx": 1,
  "difficulty": 231473.3310863087,
  "errors": "",
  "networkhashps": 365652529055.8644,
  "pooledtx": 1,
  "chain": "main"
}
can you lock only for wallet, pools are horrible for simples miners.

The code does limit wallet only mining. but somebody has created a custom build which brings back RPC commands needed for ASIC mining.  Whomever did this is destroying the future value of ROBO ...  still thinking about how to overcome this.  Swapping out the algorithm might be the only option, but it's going to take a good amount of time for me to learn crypto-programing.

If any crypto devs are out there... I'm up for ideas on ASIC resistance.  Think outside of the box!  If we can figure this out, it'll be a game changer... ASIC person, I really wish you could see the massive potential here.

High level ideas:
 - block-submission throttling (e.g. even if an asic infiltrates, the network would reject blocks when they come in to fast)
 - hash-rate throttling
    - geared toward the CPU miner.
    - adjust local hashrate one-by-one so all nodes on the network have an equal shot an solving a block.
 - devise validations on blocks that fail when they are submitted externally
    - even possible?  I have no clue at this point.


Don't know if any of that will come to light, just some thoughts I've had since yesterday.  Request for input from other developers.

Hey dev check out https://roi-coin.com/about-roi-coin, may give you some ideas, the ROI devs are very friendly, talk to them on Discord: https://discord.gg/ruhSp4e
newbie
Activity: 61
Merit: 0
Can you look into the license terms of the original source code (MIT I guess), maybe you could include a closed source code in there.
Or somehow use multiple algos which switch depending on certain criteria.

Thats one i was thinking of too. I know that the source has to be open for most exchanges to accept coin, but can it not be closed initially?
Also up for hash capping if possible...workout whata decent AMD/INTEL desktop pc hashes at, and allow no more than double...for example.

BTC code = MIT, Qt = LGPL, both use other open source libraries covered under the same or different licenses.  It's not that cut and dry unfortunately.

I know that throttling would work, but somehow the network needs to validate it on a node/block basis (or something).  Otherwise our ASIC pals will just do the same thing they did with RPC commands.  If nodes, especially full nodes, can determine if a block was generated outside of the internal wallet code, then all it has to do is reject the block and ban the node which submitted the block. <---- another hypothetical idea.
newbie
Activity: 31
Merit: 0
My two pence worth
To me it looks like to me what ever you do some one is going to mod your code and use ASICs etc.
So is it possible to limit the rate at which a wallet can register new coins. The only way to do this is use code they can not modify, for example if all the other wallets to do some checking on the block chain and if a wallet is claiming mined coins to soon after the last one it should be rejected by all the wallets. After all CPU only mining will be much much slower and will have a max rate.

Also is it possible to restart the whole block chain, after any changes are made, as this anti-social ASIC minor will be sitting on a large pre-mined pile of coins.

To the ASIC minor - You have effectively forked this coin, and as such you should have used a different name
sr. member
Activity: 1248
Merit: 297
Can you look into the license terms of the original source code (MIT I guess), maybe you could include a closed source code in there.
Or somehow use multiple algos which switch depending on certain criteria.

Thats one i was thinking of too. I know that the source has to be open for most exchanges to accept coin, but can it not be closed initially?
Also up for hash capping if possible...workout whata decent AMD/INTEL desktop pc hashes at, and allow no more than double...for example.
newbie
Activity: 5
Merit: 0
Can you look into the license terms of the original source code (MIT I guess), maybe you could include a closed source code in there.
Or somehow use multiple algos which switch depending on certain criteria.
newbie
Activity: 61
Merit: 0
Unfortunately this project will have to open up in the traditional way for ASICs and others.  That's ok, I'd rather see it live on than die.  

Note to all, I'm going to adjust the PoW scheduling to react better with ASIC level hashing.  It'll be more or less the same as it is now with less extreme difficulty adjustments.  And... as with the 0.15.2, this next release will be a mandatory update.  I'll keep the board well informed of the status.


No No NO! To ASICS...
Please don't do that.
That makes this coin no different from every other broken ASIC coin....please stick with the plan.
If people don't want to stay, fine, let them go, but enough people will stay to mine coin.
It only needs 2 people to actually keep coin alive, and from there it can grow steadily over time.
Please try and limit back to cpu only via wallet only...if you do, your coin will stand alone against a tide of sh*t coins...
Give it a chance...as they say Rome wasn't built in a day
J


I tend to agree.
Is the fact that it's hard to mine really a bad thing?


If the dev can somehow have it so it works via wallet mining etc only. I'm more than happy to put my time into mining this coin and having wallet open and could even host a node if needed if it's easy enough to set up a node for the wallet.
total agrre no asic please but the initial idea was good but sha means asic so.... i will let my pc mining and will see.


{
  "blocks": 14031,
  "currentblockweight": 4900,
  "currentblocktx": 1,
  "difficulty": 231473.3310863087,
  "errors": "",
  "networkhashps": 365652529055.8644,
  "pooledtx": 1,
  "chain": "main"
}
can you lock only for wallet, pools are horrible for simples miners.

The code does limit wallet only mining. but somebody has created a custom build which brings back RPC commands needed for ASIC mining.  Whomever did this is destroying the future value of ROBO ...  still thinking about how to overcome this.  Swapping out the algorithm might be the only option, but it's going to take a good amount of time for me to learn crypto-programing.

If any crypto devs are out there... I'm up for ideas on ASIC resistance.  Think outside of the box!  If we can figure this out, it'll be a game changer... ASIC person, I really wish you could see the massive potential here.

High level ideas:
 - block-submission throttling (e.g. even if an asic infiltrates, the network would reject blocks when they come in to fast)
 - hash-rate throttling
    - geared toward the CPU miner.
    - adjust local hashrate one-by-one so all nodes on the network have an equal shot an solving a block.
 - devise validations on blocks that fail when they are submitted externally
    - even possible?  I have no clue at this point.


Don't know if any of that will come to light, just some thoughts I've had since yesterday.  Request for input from other developers.
newbie
Activity: 118
Merit: 0
Unfortunately this project will have to open up in the traditional way for ASICs and others.  That's ok, I'd rather see it live on than die.  

Note to all, I'm going to adjust the PoW scheduling to react better with ASIC level hashing.  It'll be more or less the same as it is now with less extreme difficulty adjustments.  And... as with the 0.15.2, this next release will be a mandatory update.  I'll keep the board well informed of the status.


No No NO! To ASICS...
Please don't do that.
That makes this coin no different from every other broken ASIC coin....please stick with the plan.
If people don't want to stay, fine, let them go, but enough people will stay to mine coin.
It only needs 2 people to actually keep coin alive, and from there it can grow steadily over time.
Please try and limit back to cpu only via wallet only...if you do, your coin will stand alone against a tide of sh*t coins...
Give it a chance...as they say Rome wasn't built in a day
J


I tend to agree.
Is the fact that it's hard to mine really a bad thing?


If the dev can somehow have it so it works via wallet mining etc only. I'm more than happy to put my time into mining this coin and having wallet open and could even host a node if needed if it's easy enough to set up a node for the wallet.
total agrre no asic please but the initial idea was good but sha means asic so.... i will let my pc mining and will see.


{
  "blocks": 14031,
  "currentblockweight": 4900,
  "currentblocktx": 1,
  "difficulty": 231473.3310863087,
  "errors": "",
  "networkhashps": 365652529055.8644,
  "pooledtx": 1,
  "chain": "main"
}
can you lock only for wallet, pools are horrible for simples miners.
newbie
Activity: 61
Merit: 0
Unfortunately this project will have to open up in the traditional way for ASICs and others.  That's ok, I'd rather see it live on than die.  

Note to all, I'm going to adjust the PoW scheduling to react better with ASIC level hashing.  It'll be more or less the same as it is now with less extreme difficulty adjustments.  And... as with the 0.15.2, this next release will be a mandatory update.  I'll keep the board well informed of the status.


No No NO! To ASICS...
Please don't do that.
That makes this coin no different from every other broken ASIC coin....please stick with the plan.
If people don't want to stay, fine, let them go, but enough people will stay to mine coin.
It only needs 2 people to actually keep coin alive, and from there it can grow steadily over time.
Please try and limit back to cpu only via wallet only...if you do, your coin will stand alone against a tide of sh*t coins...
Give it a chance...as they say Rome wasn't built in a day
J

I tend to agree.
Is the fact that it's hard to mine really a bad thing?

Its not so much about the "hardness to mine", but more about the "fairness to mine".
If the coin remains only cpu and wallet bound then potentially virtually anyone can mine it with a simple home pc and have a good chance of winning a block, although the hashrate might be quite high, each miner will have a similar hashrate, maybe half or double some one elses but that's about all.
The second you can rpc, then you can either "solo pool " multiple pcs or worse start to use gpus, then the ratio to a guy using 1 Celeron 1 core vs 1 guy with 6 gpus becomes enormous, so all small miners are virtually killed...
The problem them explodes the second ASICS can mine. Although at that stage pools help, by allowing the small guy a chance to submit some shares the earmings are too low. So i'm all for any coin that is locked to wallet mining.
As for the current, massive hash day1, exchange day2, dump day3...I am mining several coins where they total nethash is around 2-10K, and there are only 20-50 miners worldwide, only on 1-2 exchanges and yet we are all making substantial money, so I like the slow burners that take a while to get established...for me mining is a cheap, long term hobby, and every so often you get lucky. (I made a huge amount of 1 random coin where in 3 hours I mined 5000 coins, at 2 sats, 4 months later they went to 22,000 sats...that to me is what mining is really about, randomness, fun and luck) I have no interest in sweating every MHz or .001% price change every second....just be a sloth, it works great Smiley Btw, living in the UK with very exp electricity, I have never made a penny joining the ratrace, but the example I have given is just one my about 50 random coins that have given great rewards...but all pure luck, that's why I mine over 400 coins currently. You never know which might be a good one so give them all a chance.
J

The problem is that somebody went against the grain and re-enabled RPC commands getblocktemplate and submitblock in a custom build.  They obviously don't see how popular this could be.... and that's a crying shame.

The only way I know of to prevent that is to make this closed source... but that violates many open source licenses... not willing to do that.  Could swap the algo, but even then ASICS will come in eventually... look at X11.  My specialty is audio programing and DSP which I do for a living.  So figuring out some crazy crypto algorithm isn't exactly my cup of tea... it'll take some major RND on my part to implement a new algorithm.

So IDK, I'm going to keep thinking about where to go.  I'm fully aware that opening up the RPC commands in the official build will kill interest of the project.  But if I don't do it, then there's a small group of mega hashers sucking down all the rewards.  At least re-enabling RPC will let others easily join the mega hashing party.

ASIC guys: the more you mine with your custom setup... the more you are killing the future value of this project. - So either you're in it to see success, or your in it to be greedy... the latter isn't going to make you or any of us any real money with ROBO... so good luck with that.
newbie
Activity: 52
Merit: 0
Unfortunately this project will have to open up in the traditional way for ASICs and others.  That's ok, I'd rather see it live on than die.  

Note to all, I'm going to adjust the PoW scheduling to react better with ASIC level hashing.  It'll be more or less the same as it is now with less extreme difficulty adjustments.  And... as with the 0.15.2, this next release will be a mandatory update.  I'll keep the board well informed of the status.


No No NO! To ASICS...
Please don't do that.
That makes this coin no different from every other broken ASIC coin....please stick with the plan.
If people don't want to stay, fine, let them go, but enough people will stay to mine coin.
It only needs 2 people to actually keep coin alive, and from there it can grow steadily over time.
Please try and limit back to cpu only via wallet only...if you do, your coin will stand alone against a tide of sh*t coins...
Give it a chance...as they say Rome wasn't built in a day
J

I tend to agree.
Is the fact that it's hard to mine really a bad thing?


If the dev can somehow have it so it works via wallet mining etc only. I'm more than happy to put my time into mining this coin and having wallet open and could even host a node if needed if it's easy enough to set up a node for the wallet.
full member
Activity: 235
Merit: 100
Unfortunately this project will have to open up in the traditional way for ASICs and others.  That's ok, I'd rather see it live on than die.  

Note to all, I'm going to adjust the PoW scheduling to react better with ASIC level hashing.  It'll be more or less the same as it is now with less extreme difficulty adjustments.  And... as with the 0.15.2, this next release will be a mandatory update.  I'll keep the board well informed of the status.


No No NO! To ASICS...
Please don't do that.
That makes this coin no different from every other broken ASIC coin....please stick with the plan.
If people don't want to stay, fine, let them go, but enough people will stay to mine coin.
It only needs 2 people to actually keep coin alive, and from there it can grow steadily over time.
Please try and limit back to cpu only via wallet only...if you do, your coin will stand alone against a tide of sh*t coins...
Give it a chance...as they say Rome wasn't built in a day
J

I tend to agree.
Is the fact that it's hard to mine really a bad thing?
sr. member
Activity: 1248
Merit: 297
cpu minable in sha256 roflmao!!!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy...  Cry

It was a good try anyway.  I just hope some of you guys out there with normal computers got some rewards.

i have a simple computer, and "old" amd 8300 eight core, and have founded 6 blocks , but since the difficuty increase so high, i think it will not be mineable for me.

It would be interesting that more dev, will add algorithm to the mine such as yescriptr16, yescript, "scrypt: 1048576"

if it's mineable, but if an asic goes into the game, it will destroy without much effort the miners cpu´s of the chain

Good luck to you all  Smiley

The only issue with these algos, is they are all better mined with gpu...and pools
Much better if dev can somehow lock this to wallet only and cpu only...
J
sr. member
Activity: 1248
Merit: 297
Unfortunately this project will have to open up in the traditional way for ASICs and others.  That's ok, I'd rather see it live on than die.  

Note to all, I'm going to adjust the PoW scheduling to react better with ASIC level hashing.  It'll be more or less the same as it is now with less extreme difficulty adjustments.  And... as with the 0.15.2, this next release will be a mandatory update.  I'll keep the board well informed of the status.


No No NO! To ASICS...
Please don't do that.
That makes this coin no different from every other broken ASIC coin....please stick with the plan.
If people don't want to stay, fine, let them go, but enough people will stay to mine coin.
It only needs 2 people to actually keep coin alive, and from there it can grow steadily over time.
Please try and limit back to cpu only via wallet only...if you do, your coin will stand alone against a tide of sh*t coins...
Give it a chance...as they say Rome wasn't built in a day
J
full member
Activity: 200
Merit: 100
cpu minable in sha256 roflmao!!!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy...  Cry

It was a good try anyway.  I just hope some of you guys out there with normal computers got some rewards.

i have a simple computer, and "old" amd 8300 eight core, and have founded 6 blocks , but since the difficuty increase so high, i think it will not be mineable for me.

It would be interesting that more dev, will add algorithm to the mine such as yescriptr16, yescript, "scrypt: 1048576"

if it's mineable, but if an asic goes into the game, it will destroy without much effort the miners cpu´s of the chain

Good luck to you all  Smiley
newbie
Activity: 31
Merit: 0
Well it was fun while it lasted.
I may be showing my ignorance here, but for a brief while I got mining transactions (in the recent transactions panel) up until 10pm (UK time) and then it all stopped. But none of them showed up on my balance

What does it mean ?

PS it was a good experiment and it proved that CPU only could not be done this way, so it was a success in that way
newbie
Activity: 46
Merit: 0
so its ASIC coin isnt it?
newbie
Activity: 52
Merit: 0
Well as soon as it's on a pool i'll be mining it for sure.
newbie
Activity: 61
Merit: 0
Unfortunately this project will have to open up in the traditional way for ASICs and others.  That's ok, I'd rather see it live on than die.  

Note to all, I'm going to adjust the PoW scheduling to react better with ASIC level hashing.  It'll be more or less the same as it is now with less extreme difficulty adjustments.  And... as with the 0.15.2, this next release will be a mandatory update.  I'll keep the board well informed of the status.
newbie
Activity: 44
Merit: 0
i really interested to mining project basic, but i cant do that. there is no bounty for this project?
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