Topic: [ANN] Sfards:SF100, the first 28nm Dual-Mode Miner is accepting pre-order now - page 25. (Read 129811 times)

well  I went to their website itop and they have a paypal button.  So I take back any scam accusations I may have confused them with another person when it came to escrow.

My concern was they were BTC only.  Since they do paypal I am fine with them.

 I have done business with paypal for more then a decade. So they are  a safe escrow type deal.

so at 1399 via paypal it seems to be okay to me.

Maybe you can firm up your offer of paying for a rig they send you prior to you making payment and you can confirm that to us. I am assuming here you'll be happy to meet their asking price and associated costs, since you initiated the "invitation to treat".

What is a scummer?

Why do you accuse a Business that is advertising their goods for sale as not acting in good faith without any direct evidence or personal experience with them?

So basically your opinion is just that, an opinion. Does not give you the right to slander their reputation. Why do you do that? Are you trying to protect people from getting ripped off? Have you been ripped off buying ASICs from other companies? Are you a BFL victim from way back?

If you answered yes to any of the above I sympathize with you, however still it does not give you the right to accuse anyone or any business of acting in bad faith without any direct evidence.

I have known the people behind iTop for over 3 years and they are the most trusted people in the Business.

If you assume they are not legitimate, I recommend you obtain proof and take it to the authorities whose job it is to investigate matters pertaining to online fraud. In the US you can probably call an 800 number listed on a DOJ Website or something, then let it go and learn a lesson from it. Thats really all you can do.

iTop does good business. They deserve to make a decent profit from their business. The percentage profit they make is not yours or my business. Its either take it or leave it but don't loose your composure over it and call them a scummer (whatever that means) because it helps nobody and surely does not help you.

Just my 2 cents.

yeah maybe they are good to buy from.  


 If anyone does  buy and gets it shipped  I am sure they will tell us.

Who is real and who is not? That they respond to posts, the same way you do, is enough proof they are real (in the confines of this forum). In any case, they must have a reason to refuse escrow (if indeed they've refused it), and though that may be a warning sign, it may just as well be an innocent oversight or indeed a business decision on their part, but that does not make them a scam (though they could be).

If I recall he refuses escrow. My thoughts are new person refuses escrow and wants btc payment is asking to be reamed and asked to prove he or she is real.

Stop giving the guy a hard time. He is NOT a manufacturer but clearly a reseller. If anyone thinks they are a scam, simply do not buy from them, period. I am sure their prices will put off a lot of people, as the very same rigs can be got from the manufacturers cheaper (albeit subject to taxes).
But honestly, would any "respected" member of this forum asking for a rig to be sent before paying actually pay for it if it were sent (at their prices)? The answer will be a convoluted one, arguing price point, shipping et al and ending with NO. So why do you ask if you know you can not (and will not) pay for it? Cut the guy some slack.

you  are new people are tired of new guys coming here and trying to rob people.  Myself and a few others are trusted and don't rip people off .

If you want to proof yourself send one to me and when I get it I will pay you.  Now I know you are UK based. and do not expect you to send one to me. But find a trusted UK guy we know and send him one  trust him and he can say you did that.

Other then doing something like that people will just not want to buy from you.

zero photos of real miner. go away scummer

Hi, thanks for your feedback. You're right that 100 items was incorrect and you're right about the Twitter and website being quite new. We started on Taobao and Alibaba then later eBay and have had a lot of growth in the past few years so have decided to test the water in the rest of the world. We're starting up independently where we have more control of our products and services and more direct dealings with our customers to offer a more complete service. Case in point - The Silverfish miners had a problem when the authentication server went down. Through Taobao/eBay, there wasn't much we could do (they like to stop sellers and buyers from communicating directly) and we had to put a message into the store page to our customers and hope they got it to let them know about an updated firmware.

Going independent allows us to communicate directly with customers and avoid these problems going forwards.

The Sfards miner: http://www.itopshop.net/sfards-28nm-sha256-and-scrypt-dual-miner-p-243.html (we have 2 with more coming very soon)

The stock levels on the website aren't all correct right now as we only have a small team transferring everything from Taobao and Alibaba to the new website but if it's on the site you can at least know that it's in stock. We're working hard to get everything up to date and added. You'll see our product catalog grow as we get more things online.

Here's the recent thread I started to introduce the company: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/itop-e-commerce-site-online-1134060

If you notice any other problems or have any questions then please feel free to contact me by PM here or email (see my profile). As I said before, we're committed to excellent customer service and we have a proven record on Taobao, Alibaba and eBay. It'll take some time to get that reputation after a fresh start so of course we'll be trying even harder.

L1 had the price perfect, sfards is a 599 product as well

https://www.bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020140830074550960Um75pnzg06E3

I was even thinking at $1200 as I have a PSU sitting here perfect for it.   I just wanted to mine scrypt again.   That is kinda my go wild and know good chance I did it for fun and not ROI.  

I just miss scrypt mining so it has a draw to me.   I started in the GPU day's so that is a lot of the draw.  The zoomhash of $2000 is just price gauging the few crazy enough to pay it.

At $800 I'd be a buyer. Maybe even at $999 just to try it out. At $1,999 I will sit back and politely wave goodbye to everyone's money.

I purchased  s-3's for 80 to 85 a few times.   and the

1200 watt runs 3 s-3's

http://www.gigampz.com/store/p21/Gigampz_80Plus_Platinum_Efficiency%2C_1200_Watt_Kit.html


so to be fair 3 x 80 = 240 + 113 = 353   say 360  for a 3 machine setup.


that would mean   17  s-3's  not 20   but if you overclock them to 480gh    17 x 480 =  8.16 th   

 So my 9th to 10th was a bit high

  soooooo:


  lets make it 8th for 2k  vs  1.7th for 2k

It's a shame to see it at that price.  I honestly want one and am willing to pay a fair price.   But 2k is just insane.

I'm hoping once they get into more production we will see direct sales for cheaper.   Zoomhash will sell them I'm willing to bet sadly at this jacked up price to a few people.   Sad to see it go that way.

well lets see I finally can get one for 1999.

 Of course for 1999 I can get 20 s-3 with psu's .

   that is about 9th to 10th  instead of 1.7th.  I know I need cheap power if I get s-3's but in order for me to ever pay off this dual miner at a price of 1999 I need cheap power.

So lets see  10th at 6 cent power  or 1.7th at 6 cent power.   both cost 2k  what do you think stands a chance of paying back.

I know I would take the s-3's

This thread is dying! The community really seems to be shunning this miner. Lol.

with LTC halving will be needed lol
but with so many coins that should affect prices that much not with this pricing

They crazy LOL
cheaper to get from ali express even after duty tax

I assume, the first batch just go to the mass buyers and minimum buying # was 100 units. So we should wait and yes that's too much for that product. I am just waiting. If they wanna sell to us should make some discount on it. If I am not able to get what I paid for, I see no point for taking the risk of mining.