Someone posted this on bitcointalk (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/itop-e-commerce-site-online-1134060), I have never heard of them before and it looks like they haven't been around that long from the twitter account.
I also do not see any good company info
They claim to be selling sfards miners http://www.itop-corp.com/
Looks fishy to me
Topic: [ANN] Sfards:SF100, the first 28nm Dual-Mode Miner is accepting pre-order now - page 27. (Read 129811 times)
July 25, 2015, 09:55:59 AM
July 25, 2015, 09:49:45 AM
The big handickup with "build from miners for miners" is not that people who build them do not have the skils to do it. Or that there is no R&d department or whatever .. There are plenty of examples of chip,vendors and asic manifacturers who do not know how to solder a wire and to use duct tape properly 
There were many successful projects in the past (from miners to miners) and I hope in the feature also. The issue is the price of chips alone. Whatever you do you are dependent of the chip price. Let us hope the someday big players will sell chips with reasonable margins. In the past if you calculate chip price alone you got ready to ship miner build from particular manifacturer. Why? Because you pay 300% at least margin for the chip alone. Do not get me wrong but it is not a medicine from which life depends on. Asic price must fall down in order such projects to succeed. The guys are investing their time they are not making money because of uncompetitive prices no donations from comunity nothing..
There were many successful projects in the past (from miners to miners) and I hope in the feature also. The issue is the price of chips alone. Whatever you do you are dependent of the chip price. Let us hope the someday big players will sell chips with reasonable margins. In the past if you calculate chip price alone you got ready to ship miner build from particular manifacturer. Why? Because you pay 300% at least margin for the chip alone. Do not get me wrong but it is not a medicine from which life depends on. Asic price must fall down in order such projects to succeed. The guys are investing their time they are not making money because of uncompetitive prices no donations from comunity nothing..
July 25, 2015, 06:54:36 AM
Looks like the one to five kilowatt miner will be bypassed and ignored for the time being.
Oh well.
Oh well.
July 25, 2015, 02:41:56 AM
By L1, do you mean the product that Bitmain declined to actually produce? I wouldn't expect them to Sartre their engineering for that project anytime soon. That's even more unlikely than the folks waiting for S2 upgrade, that hasn't arrived.
Doggie made it sound like L1 was produced just never sold to public consumers, there may be a warehouse out there with a ton of of them hashing!Who do they think they are? Trying to make money. As a money making company.
July 24, 2015, 10:21:11 PM
I sure hope that these Sfard units (or something based on their chips) make some ROI sense in the near future. But the current price is nuts, even if the SF100 wasn't "sold out".
Like many of you, I've got that must-have-new-hardware itchy feeling. Rather than waste time or money on Sfards, I ordered a pair of Sidehack sticks. I'm hoping that will hold me over
I don't care if the sticks ever ROI. They're more of a fun toy than anything else.
Also I want Sidehack to be successful so that he can start making the kind of home mining hardware that I'm really interested in.
Like many of you, I've got that must-have-new-hardware itchy feeling. Rather than waste time or money on Sfards, I ordered a pair of Sidehack sticks. I'm hoping that will hold me over
I don't care if the sticks ever ROI. They're more of a fun toy than anything else.
Also I want Sidehack to be successful so that he can start making the kind of home mining hardware that I'm really interested in.
I'm with you on this I also got two of his units...I mean at 25 bucks each and 6 bucks shipping (same shipping price for 2 units) wtf just for the balls of making
them I to don't care if i ever ROI ..now if i can just figure out how to run these along with my also somewhat redundant bitcoin and litecoin nodes I want to
out up I MAY be inoculated from further asic home purchases
(just look at the blinky lights Searing...all is fine ...it is 2017 you MUST turn the knc Titansoff now ..you can do it!) ...got to plan for going cold turkey somehow
should start a chapter of SADD (sorry asic dependent delusion) but I think the above will help ...anything with shiny LCD's still on a blockchain and I'm easily distracted
but back to the topic IT WOULD BE NICE IF SFARDS WOULD MAKE A REASONABLY PRICED HOME MINER in some manner or at least SEND Sidehack
some specs for him to do so ...the PR of just sending such to Sidehack would be epic imho ......just saying.....if anyone from SFARDS is reading this
(they DID send out some test chips so this can't be too far off the realm of possibility right?)
July 24, 2015, 07:47:55 PM
I sure hope that these Sfard units (or something based on their chips) make some ROI sense in the near future. But the current price is nuts, even if the SF100 wasn't "sold out".
Like many of you, I've got that must-have-new-hardware itchy feeling. Rather than waste time or money on Sfards, I ordered a pair of Sidehack sticks. I'm hoping that will hold me over
I don't care if the sticks ever ROI. They're more of a fun toy than anything else.
Also I want Sidehack to be successful so that he can start making the kind of home mining hardware that I'm really interested in.
Like many of you, I've got that must-have-new-hardware itchy feeling. Rather than waste time or money on Sfards, I ordered a pair of Sidehack sticks. I'm hoping that will hold me over
I don't care if the sticks ever ROI. They're more of a fun toy than anything else.
Also I want Sidehack to be successful so that he can start making the kind of home mining hardware that I'm really interested in.
July 24, 2015, 06:36:13 PM
By L1, do you mean the product that Bitmain declined to actually produce? I wouldn't expect them to Sartre their engineering for that project anytime soon. That's even more unlikely than the folks waiting for S2 upgrade, that hasn't arrived.
Doggie made it sound like L1 was produced just never sold to public consumers, there may be a warehouse out there with a ton of of them hashing!Who do they think they are? Trying to make money. As a money making company.
July 24, 2015, 02:22:23 PM
If everything checks out with these, they will decimate A2 sales
They are almost done with the A4 (and A3 for SHA). I believe it will have 1/4 the power requirements of the A2.
Even if this was true , their prices would be way too high, the initial A2 was way overpriced , if you have .06 cents power the A2 would still be a better deal assuming you can get a working unit lol.
July 24, 2015, 02:13:47 PM
If everything checks out with these, they will decimate A2 sales
They are almost done with the A4 (and A3 for SHA). I believe it will have 1/4 the power requirements of the A2.
July 24, 2015, 01:10:30 PM
By L1, do you mean the product that Bitmain declined to actually produce? I wouldn't expect them to Sartre their engineering for that project anytime soon. That's even more unlikely than the folks waiting for S2 upgrade, that hasn't arrived.
Doggie made it sound like L1 was produced just never sold to public consumers, there may be a warehouse out there with a ton of of them hashing! July 24, 2015, 11:41:22 AM
By L1, do you mean the product that Bitmain declined to actually produce? I wouldn't expect them to Sartre their engineering for that project anytime soon. That's even more unlikely than the folks waiting for S2 upgrade, that hasn't arrived.
July 24, 2015, 11:36:04 AM
900$? ) maybe by Christmas time
) maybe by Christmas time I would consider it at that price. Even though it still would be at premium. I really want to mine scrypt again.
Just not any other chips out there that touch this specs as far as scrypt.
If everything checks out with these, they will decimate A2 sales
What makes you think that price can't change?
Exactly what I am expecting and maybe even a resurgence of the L1
Competition is good
July 24, 2015, 10:18:46 AM
900$? ) maybe by Christmas time
) maybe by Christmas time I would consider it at that price. Even though it still would be at premium. I really want to mine scrypt again.
Just not any other chips out there that touch this specs as far as scrypt.
If everything checks out with these, they will decimate A2 sales
What makes you think that price can't change?
July 24, 2015, 08:32:45 AM
900$? ) maybe by Christmas time
) maybe by Christmas time I would consider it at that price. Even though it still would be at premium. I really want to mine scrypt again.
Just not any other chips out there that touch this specs as far as scrypt.
If everything checks out with these, they will decimate A2 sales
July 24, 2015, 12:13:17 AM
900$? ) maybe by Christmas time
) maybe by Christmas time I would consider it at that price. Even though it still would be at premium. I really want to mine scrypt again.
Just not any other chips out there that touch this specs as far as scrypt.
July 23, 2015, 11:44:59 PM
900$? ) maybe by Christmas time
) maybe by Christmas time July 23, 2015, 05:49:12 PM
Back to the miner itself, can anyone tell me if they see a pcie plug-in anywere on those three boards (pictured on the Sfards site)?
Site says ：12V DC，6 PCIE Cables of 6 Pin are needed.
http://www.sfards.com/pro/miner
It shows the boards pulled out (scroll down), but I don't see the usual white pcie plugs. I'm expecting to see two on each board. Am I missing something?
Site says ：12V DC，6 PCIE Cables of 6 Pin are needed.
http://www.sfards.com/pro/miner
It shows the boards pulled out (scroll down), but I don't see the usual white pcie plugs. I'm expecting to see two on each board. Am I missing something?
It makes it hard to place an order for any other units currently out there, these seem to be the most effient and also being new would have the highest resale value.
1200 is too high though. We need have someone work with SFARDS to do a huge order 200+ units and get them at around 900 per unit and BRING back home mining for the
masses ! (Bring back Voltron lol).
I personally would order 10-15 if the price was 900 or so USD
July 23, 2015, 04:49:37 PM
Back to the miner itself, can anyone tell me if they see a pcie plug-in anywere on those three boards (pictured on the Sfards site)?
None on those 3 boards, but probably on the backplane (not particularly pictured)? Look at the bottom two 'connectors' - they're just solid, wide traces to the power management board. July 23, 2015, 04:39:22 PM
Back to the miner itself, can anyone tell me if they see a pcie plug-in anywere on those three boards (pictured on the Sfards site)?
Site says ：12V DC，6 PCIE Cables of 6 Pin are needed.
http://www.sfards.com/pro/miner
It shows the boards pulled out (scroll down), but I don't see the usual white pcie plugs. I'm expecting to see two on each board. Am I missing something?
Site says ：12V DC，6 PCIE Cables of 6 Pin are needed.
http://www.sfards.com/pro/miner
It shows the boards pulled out (scroll down), but I don't see the usual white pcie plugs. I'm expecting to see two on each board. Am I missing something?
July 23, 2015, 12:29:29 PM
Errors happens.
They do happen. But I have to admit, when it's in big letters, that one should be correct.
To me it looks more like remote access to miners produced by them. You can register dual miner on that website and then you can remotly check and maintain miners in your location.
That is the way I'm reading it. Management of (your) miners, through the Cloud (or Could). The Help section reads that way too. That would be nice. I was never able to get that concept to work with my S5's.
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