Topic: [ANN] Sia - Decentralized Storage - page 391. (Read 1382227 times)

I actually do expect that. But it doesn't bother me if people don't. What does bother me is someone who doesn't skim through what a

project is about then make wrong assumptions. Automatically assuming it should be as stable as other clone coins.

If Sia were dogecoin part 2 then the current wallet state and user friendliness would deserve some huge flaming.

When you dont skim through a project's thread you come off as stupid when you say the wallet is a bit unstable and not user friendly.

Cause its like duh. Whoever said it wasn't?

All newcomers are welcome and opinions are encouraged, another duh. But I think you are misunderstanding some of our "defensive posts".

If you don't want to read up on a project thats understandable. But then don't make ignorant comments because the reason we want you to

skim through the thread is because we've heard your comment 50 times before from 50 other people who also don't understand what the

project is aiming to do and where it came from.

This does not make sense. If the Sia network is to be used as cheap storage for businesses' massive storage requirements, where is that storage supposed to come from?

I assumed that Sia was about enabling unused storage on millions of devices around the world to be part of a massive network, which then entities with storage requirements could use.

Clearly, the millions of devices we're talking about belong to Average Joe and Jane. Thus, the client software must be dumb-proofed and simple enough to be used by a 'regular' person.

As a newcomer, I'll speak on behalf of a few of us.

Sure, Sia appears buggy. Sure, its beta. However, it is BETA, and not ALPHA. Remember how long GMail was beta? Quite some time... Beta typically implies working, yet potentially with some trouble  spots. Sia's issues are more than minor bugs. The usability bugs in Sia are apparently serious enough to render wallets for non-experts unusable and corrupting the databases, causing loss of money (yes, real money if you'd like) and time.

I've gathered this much that Sia is still a small community of developers and users. There are 33 hosts, a few repeat posters on this thread, and 28 subscribers to the Reddit forum... I can understand people getting upset when people criticize their baby. Yet, projects such as these can only move forward with continuous valuable feedback from new users. As a coder myself, I know the value of testing my software with new users. They have a (sad) tendency to click all the 'wrong' buttons and do everything in the 'wrong' order, hence revealing all the bugs in my software before even getting it to work once! This happened to me yesterday with Sia as I was unaware of the implications of killing the siad process after closing the GUI, hence corrupting my database and forcing me to resync. I *could* have figured this out in advance if I had heeded your advice above and read through this thread first. But seriously, do you expect every new user to skim through 111 pages of posts, before downloading and running a couple of binaries of BETA software? When was the last time you did that?

The Sia community should welcome criticism from newcomers, however harsh and unwarranted they may seem, as they reflect the user experience from a beginners standpoint. After all, if you can't make the newcomers happy, how can you ever expect the user base to grow?

Having said so, I understand your sentiment, and I understand Sia is work-in-progress. Yet, and I stress, the software is BETA and not ALPHA, which implies usability.

Sia seems a really, really cool project, and I've decided to jump into it and support it in these early phases. I will run a node/host, buy some Siacoin and help out new users by sharing my experiences as I learn. This is how you grow a community, not by effectively ostracizing them when their complaints are too harsh to handle.

I forgot to save the setting on the router... Seems 9982 was sufficient. I'll leave it at that unless others can confirm port 9981 needs to be forwarded as well.

Now, my IP also appears in the Hosts lists on the Sia Explorer page. Cool!

I noticed a myqnapcloud.com hostname in the list as well. Is anyone here running Sia on a QNAP NAS? I have one sitting with lots of space to spare and would like to run that as a host as well, if possible...

By the way: Can I change the default port from 9982 to something else, in case I want to run multiple hosts in a network with a shared IP?

Blockchain synchronization, however, is still extremely slow! I'm still just at block height 2033, after nearly 15 hours... Can anyone share a bootstrap chain?

Thanks for the answer.
People started mining SIA on June 7. Information as mining aren't present. Samples of the .bat and .conf files aren't present.
Nobody shares information by mining. Many already mining, I join late, because of a lack of information.

Its obvious we have a lot of new comers to SIA who have not been with it since the first on going still under development BETA  wallet. So they are trying to jump in in the middle of a major wallet upgrade and are easily getting discouraged.

Of course all new comers and folks that are interested and are willing to test and contribute are very welcome in here and to learn SIA up to the point it is at now.

All the criticism however is unwarranted by those who have not gone back through and simply read up to the point we are at now with the wallet. ALL of us involved understand the work that is yet to be done, and the bugs that are currently in 4.2, which Taek has addressed and is working on as we speak. The wallet does in fact work. Does it require a little geek type knowledge ? sure it does, no one has stated it is in full readiness for the world at large.

For those coming in and wanting to get familiarized with SIA, PLEASE read through the thread at least skim over it.. you will learn a lot but more than likely will get somewhat confused. There has been a lot of trial and error for most of us interested in SIA along the way but we take our lumps and learn from each other and keep moving forward.

It is a project under development plain and simple. Please don't be so fast to pass judgment on a project of this scope that is unlike any other crypto project. If your mentality is that of meaningless clone coins and wallets and the same old pump and dump shit coins and trying to make a few dollars, well then maybe SIA isn't for you in its current state. Wait for the final well tested version, then start enjoying all that SIA will have to offer 

You seem to be mining. But you aren't going to get any blocks with that.

Mining is still in development. Sia original was not suppose to be mining coin. Mining aspect will be worked on more slowly

than storage aspect but since it is mining for consensus of course it is important.

Its better for people like you to wait for mining pool which can be a while longer.

I repeat the question.
It mining began? Why there isn't enough information? So has to be?

I still would like answer to this please.



Also Zer0Sum said one thing I want to talk about. I am not crypto expert. I know you devs are more storage expert than crypto expert too.

But like Zer0Sum said nxt has 12 word passphrase. I know counterwallet has 12 word phrase too. It was good because according to those

guys 12 words is apparent unbreakable cryptographic speaking. And I used to have my 12 word counterwallet phrase memorized. I can't

memorize 29 words. Is 29 words overkill? Again I'm not knowledgeable in cryptographics, you seem to care a lot of security to make 29 words.

For me it would be nice to be something I can memorize. Just asking maybe you can look into it more? Thanks

Zer0Sum complaining. First of all I want to address his comments. Nobody said Sia is ready for primetime now. As you can see its

still being built and constant changes and development is happening. People forget this is not litecoin/bitcoin copy paste. Its kind

of easy to have dependable wallet when its the same code as already developed coin. All the bugs we find now shapes what Sia will be

we are not in adoption phase we are in build phase. Also whoever said Sia is for the normal dumb guy. Right now mostly tech people tinker

with it. The future majority of hosts will likely be technical people. Sia's focus is not imo people to use to keep their photo in cloud for iphone.

It is for youtube or netflix or may youtube's competitor. Business that needs cheap reliable millions of terabytes to store.

I think you have to forward 9981 as well

Are those nodes that only offer space, or all nodes connected? I don't appear on that list. Is that because I'm not done syncing the blockchain yet?

I've been syncing for 10 hours now. I'm at block height 1976 (connected to 8 peers). Is it normally this slow?

Also, I cannot Announce my storage. I get the error message:
"Error 400 Bad request host address not reachable; ensure you have forwarded port 9982"

I have forwarded port 9982 on my router. Still doesn't work.

Stuff like this...
Will limit this (very promising) project to super-geeks that unlimited time to f*ck around with crypto wallets.

That said, the GUI wallet is what counts and it's making progress:



OK, the blockchain is updated and I've transferred a little test coin from Polo...
But, of course, I'm LOCKED OUT... even after I've been given a 29 word passphrase (where NXT uses only 12 words).



Oh, the Dev wants me to run another 2 separate command line utilities...
And muck around with more passphrases with little known copy/paste techniques via consoles.

Let's add 17 more "locks", baby = very poor design.

Sorry, but you HAVE TO make GUI wallet standalone to attract normal people. Please make standalone GUI wallet a priority.

TO AVOID CORRUPTING YOUR WALLET:

Try this if you must shut down "siad" after closing wallet. ( if you going to restart your PC etc. ) Otherwise leave siad running as a process.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12410622

and this easier short cut to CMD prompt

You can shift+right click the SIA folder and open a command prompt with the location already set. Then type >siac stop from that path in CMD after the >

Hope this helps to avoid corrupting your wallet again.

Update as promised: Seems the 5M SC are lost forever as the previous wallet (0.3.3.3) wasn't 'backup proof'. 
I can't bring myself to support this project atm. But no worries, I've had hardly any impact at all.  Good luck SC!

Yes, right now 32.

This is an awesome feature... click on "hosts" after you go to the explorer.

http://explore.siacoin.com/

It mining began? Why there isn't enough information? So has to be?

All thanks. I understood.

Thanks. How to create the address in a wallet? Wallet 0.4.2

Is there an estimate of how many Sia nodes are currently running?