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OpenLedger is paying a PR company for their articles they are not coming out just because they are brilliant, because they are not!
These PR companies cost money, about 12K a month.  


 Mr Coin, you have just define yourself as a liar. Please provide proof. Open Ledger do an excellent PR job without "about 12k month". Speak ill of other project is only absence of arguments. Shame on you.

I do believe they have investors outside the crypto space interested too.


Yes exactly. You do Belive.

I only mentioned OpenLedger because you keep bringing it up as an example of good marketing compared to SoG.
Maybe they are not spending 12K a month I can only guess. However 12K a month is what some PR firms charge for their services.

As an example look at this PR (press release, not article) that came up about OpenLedger:
https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/initial-coin-offering-openledger-icoo-extends-support-future-icos-order-empower-community/
Media Contact: Ronnie
But who's at the bottom of the article? Bitcoin PRBuzz: A marketing and PR firm: http://bitcoinprbuzz.com/

Here's another one: http://www.coinspeaker.com/2016/05/25/initial-coin-offering-openledger-icoo-extends-support-future-icos-order-empower-community/

So OpenLedger is using one of those firms to market their token sale or ICOO as they call it. Or do they own Bitcoin PR Buzz? I don't know.
Where am I lying? You guys are getting people to write Press Releases, paid articles, etc, or at least to distribute them and to create buzz around them.
Done a little more research and found what they charge too, from $800 to $1000 per press release, they also do monthly or yearly plans.
I can show you their .pdf I found if you don't believe me but I rather not because it's not fair to them.

Their services include spreading PR's and articles all over social media and various channels, how many of these you guys get done a month?
How far I was from 12K a month? Maybe half of that? My point is OpenLedger doesn't do their marketing all on their own, the price I stated originally may be different.

For what I can see the ICOO started on May 20th and they only raised about 34K USD: http://icoo.io/.
Is the marketing effort working? Not really. How much did SoG raise on the first day only? About 240 BTC, and managed to get what they needed and a bit more to get the project going by the end of the sale.
What does that mean? That SoG knows when it is time to push for marketing, who to choose to do their marketing and when to spend the money for marketing.

Nobody is blaming you for that don't get me wrong, you guys are doing a token sale that's when you want marketing to be at its high to pitch it for potential contributors.
Yes when a PR comes out (if newsworthy) some of the other media picks it up. This is how the PR world works and this is what is it used for: to create buzz about an upcoming event or to get people to know of a project/product, like TheDao token sale, the OpenLedger token sale, and (at the time) even the SoG token sale. They certainly have had a PR firm working for them. Everyone does this not only in the crypto space, it happens for every single product you know of, even the ones on supermarket shelves.

However, there is a time for spending money in marketing and PR and there is a time to do some work, development, and that is what SoG is doing right now.
Of course it doesn't mean to have to stop all marketing efforts it means that those efforts may slow down while the projects build what they are supposed to build and get it ready for launch.

I'm confident that marketing is still ongoing with SoG is just that there are not big news coming out right now, give it some time and there will be.
Can you imagine when users are going to be able to build their own levels in SoG? Don't you see yourself playing with that? Or guilds to play in groups of players?

An article a week or even more often will happen organically if the product is worth talking about. Having a few articles saying there is a launch coming in September ain't going to do much for BCY price IMO.
Viva, you have been around for a long while and contributed to this project, I loved your google sheet with all the stats you provided and hope you'll keep doing that.
You seem to care about SoG and hope you still do, I'm not here to compare your other projects to SoG so long as you don't do it as well, otherwise I will tell you my opinion and you got to accept that.
I may be wrong on some things, I don't read people's minds, and I'm not perfect either. I do get frustrated when I see people repeating themselves over and over about the same arguments which are not doing anything towards supporting a project for the best. Feedback is welcome, constructive feedback.


PR Buzz do cost about 2500$ a month, it use customer material and then a few original PR on that base, translated into spanish, portugues and arabic.

It worth the effort?  I think so, absolutely.

The most of blogmagazine pubblish original pr, or some articles based on that (copy and paste with few comment) for free. You have to build some good contact, nothing else.

A bitcointalk signature campaign will cost few bitcrystal (oh well maybe a lot at this price tag, but price doesn't matter right?)

The real cost is time, pay someone to do a proprer PR job or hire someone that do this job for you.

Again you are talking about other project.
 Any other argument?

Yes I'm here since the beginning I am one of the biggest investor in bitcrystals for sure, I'm an investor and I am really worried about the lack of proper communication from EDS.

When I say "proper communication" I mean a constant (weekly, montly) press release in plain text, and some images. Material that can be used by bloggers and news writers.

 I ask for the moon? I don't think so.




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This coin looks like MMXVI. Also a coin for the game industry, only different is that BCY as a lot more expensive.

GAME, BCY, MMXVI... interesting.


Lol few on last few pages disagree with you and think BCY is to cheap. Tongue

Do you see guys why right now price is of no importance?

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This coin looks like MMXVI. Also a coin for the game industry, only different is that BCY as a lot more expensive.

GAME, BCY, MMXVI... interesting.
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 Is someone here that know how many btc worth 1 Sarutobi, 1 Cnpcoin, 1 Shumai?

In this Month a lot of this coin were collected through the pubblic merchant swapbot

1 Sarutobi = 60 BitCrystals
1 Cnpcoin = 150 BitCrystals
1 Shumai = 150 BitCrystals

I am not 100% of Sarutobi, that is price i bought at, but price of unlimited cards should and did not change much. Cnpcoin and Shumai cards price raise only once and is now for long time like this.

Well let's assume your price, in the Public Merchant Swapbots address I see (12u4Vymr3bGTywjMQDgBkwAnazwQuDqzJG)

1050   CNPCOIN
5784   SARUTOBI
14400 SHUMAI

So, I think that your number are to High. (only for Shumai we have more than 2.160.000 bcy equivalent)

Anyone could help?



lol it seems we misunderstood. i posted what is price of each card in bitcrystals. you can see how much is cost of each card in those coins so you just divide. and you get how much bitcrystals is each of those coins.


let me do it

CNPCARD can be purchased for 350 CNPCOIN  ; 1 CNPCARD = 150 BitCrystals   ::: 1 CNPCOIN = 2.33 BitCrystal  ==== 2446.5 BitCrystals
1 SHUMAICARD for 600 SHUMAI ; 1 Shumai = 150 BitCrystals  ::: 1 SHUMAI = 4 BitCrystals  ================57600   BitCrystals
1 SARUTOBICARD for 15 SARUTOBI ; 1 Sarutobi = 60 BitCrystals  ::: 1 SARUTOBI = 4 BitCrystals =============23136    BitCrystals
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OpenLedger is paying a PR company for their articles they are not coming out just because they are brilliant, because they are not!
These PR companies cost money, about 12K a month.  


 Mr Coin, you have just define yourself as a liar. Please provide proof. Open Ledger do an excellent PR job without "about 12k month". Speak ill of other project is only absence of arguments. Shame on you.

I do believe they have investors outside the crypto space interested too.


Yes exactly. You do Belive.

I only mentioned OpenLedger because you keep bringing it up as an example of good marketing compared to SoG.
Maybe they are not spending 12K a month I can only guess. However 12K a month is what some PR firms charge for their services.

As an example look at this PR (press release, not article) that came up about OpenLedger:
https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/initial-coin-offering-openledger-icoo-extends-support-future-icos-order-empower-community/
Media Contact: Ronnie
But who's at the bottom of the article? Bitcoin PRBuzz: A marketing and PR firm: http://bitcoinprbuzz.com/

Here's another one: http://www.coinspeaker.com/2016/05/25/initial-coin-offering-openledger-icoo-extends-support-future-icos-order-empower-community/

So OpenLedger is using one of those firms to market their token sale or ICOO as they call it. Or do they own Bitcoin PR Buzz? I don't know.
Where am I lying? You guys are getting people to write Press Releases, paid articles, etc, or at least to distribute them and to create buzz around them.
Done a little more research and found what they charge too, from $800 to $1000 per press release, they also do monthly or yearly plans.
I can show you their .pdf I found if you don't believe me but I rather not because it's not fair to them.

Their services include spreading PR's and articles all over social media and various channels, how many of these you guys get done a month?
How far I was from 12K a month? Maybe half of that? My point is OpenLedger doesn't do their marketing all on their own, the price I stated originally may be different.

For what I can see the ICOO started on May 20th and they only raised about 34K USD: http://icoo.io/.
Is the marketing effort working? Not really. How much did SoG raise on the first day only? About 240 BTC, and managed to get what they needed and a bit more to get the project going by the end of the sale.
What does that mean? That SoG knows when it is time to push for marketing, who to choose to do their marketing and when to spend the money for marketing.

Nobody is blaming you for that don't get me wrong, you guys are doing a token sale that's when you want marketing to be at its high to pitch it for potential contributors.
Yes when a PR comes out (if newsworthy) some of the other media picks it up. This is how the PR world works and this is what is it used for: to create buzz about an upcoming event or to get people to know of a project/product, like TheDao token sale, the OpenLedger token sale, and (at the time) even the SoG token sale. They certainly have had a PR firm working for them. Everyone does this not only in the crypto space, it happens for every single product you know of, even the ones on supermarket shelves.

However, there is a time for spending money in marketing and PR and there is a time to do some work, development, and that is what SoG is doing right now.
Of course it doesn't mean to have to stop all marketing efforts it means that those efforts may slow down while the projects build what they are supposed to build and get it ready for launch.

I'm confident that marketing is still ongoing with SoG is just that there are not big news coming out right now, give it some time and there will be.
Can you imagine when users are going to be able to build their own levels in SoG? Don't you see yourself playing with that? Or guilds to play in groups of players?

An article a week or even more often will happen organically if the product is worth talking about. Having a few articles saying there is a launch coming in September ain't going to do much for BCY price IMO.
Viva, you have been around for a long while and contributed to this project, I loved your google sheet with all the stats you provided and hope you'll keep doing that.
You seem to care about SoG and hope you still do, I'm not here to compare your other projects to SoG so long as you don't do it as well, otherwise I will tell you my opinion and you got to accept that.
I may be wrong on some things, I don't read people's minds, and I'm not perfect either. I do get frustrated when I see people repeating themselves over and over about the same arguments which are not doing anything towards supporting a project for the best. Feedback is welcome, constructive feedback.



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Selling one CYCLOPSCARD and one MERCHANDCARD together with 150 BCY. PM me.
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OpenLedger is paying a PR company for their articles they are not coming out just because they are brilliant, because they are not!
These PR companies cost money, about 12K a month. 


 Mr Coin, you have just define yourself as a liar. Please provide proof. Open Ledger do an excellent PR job without "about 12k month". Speak ill of other project is only absence of arguments. Shame on you.

I do believe they have investors outside the crypto space interested too.


Yes exactly. You do Belive.
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I'm sorry to read here so much looser comment about the bitcrystals price.

 Bitcrystals price matter, is a vital part for the whole project.

 About 25.000.000 bcy ar in the EdS portfolios and those token are sounds money to pay development, new features, contract, hardware.

 Lot of people here are Belivers not investors , I read a lot of nonsense about how fantastic will be the game in the future, so fantastic that bcy price doesn't matter.

What if somenting goes wrong?
What If EDS will need additional resources to correct some seriuos issue?

 Do you realize that the EDS's 25.000.000bcy Worth about nothing because THERE IS NO MARKET that want buy those damn token.

 So price matter, and most of the price liquidity matter.

 As many other blockchain projects there isn't any ready product here, but I can assure you that SoG is one of the most concrete project ready to do real business in a matter of months (not year).
 So why market is not buying in?

My answer is : comunication and marketing.

 Currently i'm working with Ronny Boesing on a Open Ledger project, Ronny is not an engenieer, he is a marketing guy, and so i KNOW that marketing in the crypto ecosystem works and is quite cheap.
It work because now we are in the middle of the blockchain bubble so, Hype, PR, bitcointalk campaigns, are worth the effort.

So please, price matter. And marketing is needed NOW

p.s. for example, every damn week, there is an article talking about Open Ledger, ICOO, Bitteaser, guess why? Do you think we are lucky?



Guys you can keep saying BCY are the most important thing all you want, the team stated what they want to do and how.
If you keep talking about this you are not going to change their mind. What you are doing is pissing people of. So give it a break for fcuck sake!

OpenLedger is paying a PR company for their articles they are not coming out just because they are brilliant, because they are not!
These PR companies cost money, about 12K a month. And the results are pretty mediocre. A waste of money in my opinion for what you get.
I've seen very few articles about OpenLedger to be honest, I saw way more articles about SoG than that!
I rather SoG spends their money in development and I'm sure they have had someone helping them out on the marketing/PR side.

The other thing you should know is that when a blog writes about a project they are not going to write about them the next week.
Most of the bitcoin blogs have covered SoG several times, I'm sure when something newsworthy comes out they'll cover them again.

Nobody is forcing you guys to be around and not sure how u suddenly turn so avid on the BCY front.
Can't believe you guys don't realize what's going on with alts right now, since the beginning of the year actually...
This is all going to stop soon enough and all alts will go back to where they were previously: nowhere.
Only the few that have an use, a valuable product may grab some speculative attention.

Do you seriously think that EDS's future is based on the 25 million BCY they hold?
Are you aware that they had a game release previous to SoG and they raised VC funds in the past, I do believe they have investors outside the crypto space interested too.
The only ones that are worried are the few of you that keep mentioning BCY are important.

Don't get me wrong they are important but there are other ways that a project can support itself.

The originality of SoG together with the roadmap, the community support, the possibility of working with All4Games are all things that will make a difference when the time comes.




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mill0601 please show me an exchange that allows shorting/margin trading of BCY. Can´t find one? Me neither.

I never said there was one. I was talking any investor investing in anything stocks/cryptos etc.
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someone selling coinoflite or satoshilite ?
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he still buys to sell losing money that's his shorts on bcy market , pretty sure he hit my buy already
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mill0601 please show me an exchange that allows shorting/margin trading of BCY. Can´t find one? Me neither.
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I'm sorry to read here so much looser comment about the bitcrystals price.

 Bitcrystals price matter, is a vital part for the whole project.

 About 25.000.000 bcy ar in the EdS portfolios and those token are sounds money to pay development, new features, contract, hardware.

 Lot of people here are Belivers not investors , I read a lot of nonsense about how fantastic will be the game in the future, so fantastic that bcy price doesn't matter.

What if somenting goes wrong?
What If EDS will need additional resources to correct some seriuos issue?

 Do you realize that the EDS's 25.000.000bcy Worth about nothing because THERE IS NO MARKET that want buy those damn token.

 So price matter, and most of the price liquidity matter.

 As many other blockchain projects there isn't any ready product here, but I can assure you that SoG is one of the most concrete project ready to do real business in a matter of months (not year).
 So why market is not buying in?

My answer is : comunication and marketing.

 Currently i'm working with Ronny Boesing on a Open Ledger project, Ronny is not an engenieer, he is a marketing guy, and so i KNOW that marketing in the crypto ecosystem works and is quite cheap.
It work because now we are in the middle of the blockchain bubble so, Hype, PR, bitcointalk campaigns, are worth the effort.

So please, price matter. And marketing is needed NOW


p.s. for example, every damn week, there is an article talking about Open Ledger, ICOO, Bitteaser, guess why? Do you think we are lucky?





Liquidity is low because use case for Bcy is not in place yet. Demand from a large user base is not there. You can market and pump as much as you like - no one is stopping you. It will just be that. A pump and the price will fall back again. Let me know so I can sell you mine and buy back again when it falls - Joke.

By the way - why are you so desperate for the price of Bcy to rise to be pleading an ranting desperately here? (It is only a small community.) Are you holding a large chunk and cannot wait till September or later to dump? If you are I ill make it a point only to buy after you unload.

Show me an investor that doesnt want to see growth and isnt shorting and I will show you a fool.

So you're here to FUD?
legendary
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I'm sorry to read here so much looser comment about the bitcrystals price.

 Bitcrystals price matter, is a vital part for the whole project.

 About 25.000.000 bcy ar in the EdS portfolios and those token are sounds money to pay development, new features, contract, hardware.

 Lot of people here are Belivers not investors , I read a lot of nonsense about how fantastic will be the game in the future, so fantastic that bcy price doesn't matter.

What if somenting goes wrong?
What If EDS will need additional resources to correct some seriuos issue?

 Do you realize that the EDS's 25.000.000bcy Worth about nothing because THERE IS NO MARKET that want buy those damn token.

 So price matter, and most of the price liquidity matter.

 As many other blockchain projects there isn't any ready product here, but I can assure you that SoG is one of the most concrete project ready to do real business in a matter of months (not year).
 So why market is not buying in?

My answer is : comunication and marketing.

 Currently i'm working with Ronny Boesing on a Open Ledger project, Ronny is not an engenieer, he is a marketing guy, and so i KNOW that marketing in the crypto ecosystem works and is quite cheap.
It work because now we are in the middle of the blockchain bubble so, Hype, PR, bitcointalk campaigns, are worth the effort.

So please, price matter. And marketing is needed NOW


p.s. for example, every damn week, there is an article talking about Open Ledger, ICOO, Bitteaser, guess why? Do you think we are lucky?





Liquidity is low because use case for Bcy is not in place yet. Demand from a large user base is not there. You can market and pump as much as you like - no one is stopping you. It will just be that. A pump and the price will fall back again. Let me know so I can sell you mine and buy back again when it falls - Joke.

By the way - why are you so desperate for the price of Bcy to rise to be pleading an ranting desperately here? (It is only a small community.) Are you holding a large chunk and cannot wait till September or later to dump? If you are I ill make it a point only to buy after you unload.

Show me an investor that doesnt want to see growth and isnt shorting and I will show you a fool.
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I'm sorry to read here so much looser comment about the bitcrystals price.

 Bitcrystals price matter, is a vital part for the whole project.

 About 25.000.000 bcy ar in the EdS portfolios and those token are sounds money to pay development, new features, contract, hardware.

 Lot of people here are Belivers not investors , I read a lot of nonsense about how fantastic will be the game in the future, so fantastic that bcy price doesn't matter.

What if somenting goes wrong?
What If EDS will need additional resources to correct some seriuos issue?

 Do you realize that the EDS's 25.000.000bcy Worth about nothing because THERE IS NO MARKET that want buy those damn token.

 So price matter, and most of the price liquidity matter.

 As many other blockchain projects there isn't any ready product here, but I can assure you that SoG is one of the most concrete project ready to do real business in a matter of months (not year).
 So why market is not buying in?

My answer is : comunication and marketing.

 Currently i'm working with Ronny Boesing on a Open Ledger project, Ronny is not an engenieer, he is a marketing guy, and so i KNOW that marketing in the crypto ecosystem works and is quite cheap.
It work because now we are in the middle of the blockchain bubble so, Hype, PR, bitcointalk campaigns, are worth the effort.

So please, price matter. And marketing is needed NOW


p.s. for example, every damn week, there is an article talking about Open Ledger, ICOO, Bitteaser, guess why? Do you think we are lucky?




Liquidity is low because use case for Bcy is not in place yet. Demand from a large user base is not there. You can market and pump as much as you like - no one is stopping you. It will just be that. A pump and the price will fall back again. Let me know so I can sell you mine and buy back again when it falls - Joke.

By the way - why are you so desperate for the price of Bcy to rise to be pleading an ranting desperately here? (It is only a small community.) Are you holding a large chunk and cannot wait till September or later to dump? If you are I ill make it a point only to buy after you unload.
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Yeah these dolts in here have no clue how a real business with a roadmap actually works apparently.  If you're working with a company like Channel 4......I'm pretty fucking certain that they wanna make sure the product is all hashed out for a proper release.  Not some bullcrap release with only bitcoin community advertising.  The bitcoin community itself is not even worth throwin bones at these days because they're too involved with block size civil war to even pay attention to actual products being developed to grow the space.  If we're talking Channel 4, we're talking about professionalism and PROPER deployment of said game.  Would you guys rather have a game that is "kinda" finished with maybe a couple bitcoin write ups..........or actually a proper release with a proper salvo of advertising drops and more effective visibility.  You make your choice but from what I'm seeing, I'm just seeing a bunch of 2014 era, no patience, get rich quickers trying to pump the price to make a profit.  I'm staying in until Sept. and can't wait to see what All4Games has in store promotion wise.  It'll probably knock your socks off but hey, don't come crawlin back saying "but.....but...."

Lol you think this is a roadmap. It was supposed to be launched already.
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I'm sorry to read here so much looser comment about the bitcrystals price.

 Bitcrystals price matter, is a vital part for the whole project.

 About 25.000.000 bcy ar in the EdS portfolios and those token are sounds money to pay development, new features, contract, hardware.

 Lot of people here are Belivers not investors , I read a lot of nonsense about how fantastic will be the game in the future, so fantastic that bcy price doesn't matter.

What if somenting goes wrong?
What If EDS will need additional resources to correct some seriuos issue?

 Do you realize that the EDS's 25.000.000bcy Worth about nothing because THERE IS NO MARKET that want buy those damn token.

 So price matter, and most of the price liquidity matter.

 As many other blockchain projects there isn't any ready product here, but I can assure you that SoG is one of the most concrete project ready to do real business in a matter of months (not year).
 So why market is not buying in?

My answer is : comunication and marketing.

 Currently i'm working with Ronny Boesing on a Open Ledger project, Ronny is not an engenieer, he is a marketing guy, and so i KNOW that marketing in the crypto ecosystem works and is quite cheap.
It work because now we are in the middle of the blockchain bubble so, Hype, PR, bitcointalk campaigns, are worth the effort.

So please, price matter. And marketing is needed NOW


p.s. for example, every damn week, there is an article talking about Open Ledger, ICOO, Bitteaser, guess why? Do you think we are lucky?

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Yeah these dolts in here have no clue how a real business with a roadmap actually works apparently.  If you're working with a company like Channel 4......I'm pretty fucking certain that they wanna make sure the product is all hashed out for a proper release.  Not some bullcrap release with only bitcoin community advertising.  The bitcoin community itself is not even worth throwin bones at these days because they're too involved with block size civil war to even pay attention to actual products being developed to grow the space.  If we're talking Channel 4, we're talking about professionalism and PROPER deployment of said game.  Would you guys rather have a game that is "kinda" finished with maybe a couple bitcoin write ups..........or actually a proper release with a proper salvo of advertising drops and more effective visibility.  You make your choice but from what I'm seeing, I'm just seeing a bunch of 2014 era, no patience, get rich quickers trying to pump the price to make a profit.  I'm staying in until Sept. and can't wait to see what All4Games has in store promotion wise.  It'll probably knock your socks off but hey, don't come crawlin back saying "but.....but...."
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There she blows. And like last time when bitcoin goes back down bcy will not come back up. Told you September release was a disaster but no one listened.

You are showing your true colors here, how is an earlier but not as complete and feature rich release better right now than in september?
What it will it do right now? Hey SoG is out, oh is not that great... End of buzz.

What about in september when all features as planned in the roadmap will be in?
Ooooooh, look at this little gem right here, fun to play, rich of features, I can play in guilds and I can create my own levels too!
WOW loads of buzz especially from gaming sites which are the ones who are best to talk about games, not crypto blogs...

Think different!  Grin

Except it will be more like damn it was just too late.
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There she blows. And like last time when bitcoin goes back down bcy will not come back up. Told you September release was a disaster but no one listened.

You are showing your true colors here, how is an earlier but not as complete and feature rich release better right now than in september?
What it will it do right now? Hey SoG is out, oh is not that great... End of buzz.

What about in september when all features as planned in the roadmap will be in?
Ooooooh, look at this little gem right here, fun to play, rich of features, I can play in guilds and I can create my own levels too!
WOW loads of buzz especially from gaming sites which are the ones who are best to talk about games, not crypto blogs...

Think different!  Grin
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