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Quote from: nhminer on September 12, 2014, 08:57:38 AM

Quote from: mrpark on September 12, 2014, 08:29:03 AM

I had a fan go bad on one of my hosted SP10, I had to special order it, and I also fear about the power supplies since they are not that easy to find (even if I did find, not sure it would just work). Recently I bought a no name dragon type miner for experimenting, it has a regular power supply, and it also came with some super duper LOUD industrial airplane fans. I removed the loud jet engine fans, and replaced them with silent High RPM, 2000 RPM fans. The miner is working great, and no problems with heat. Why the big loud fans? I don't know. My thoughts on miner design, staying with the S3s if I need smaller miners.

Which fans did you order?

For the SP10, or the no name miner?

For no name miner, cheap high RPM fans.

currently using

Cooler Master SickleFlow 120
69.69 CFM
2000 RPM
$7.50 each

Runner up - Other suggested to use Corsair HPE, but I had Cooler Masters in stock Corsair is a bit more expensive but I believe they are the same performance as cooler master. There is a video on Youtube comparing the two, and also you can buy both on Amazon.

Corsair Air Series SP120 PWM

Corsair Air Series SP120 PWM High Performance Edition
62.74 CFM
2300 RPM
$15 a piece

For SP10 power supply, I paid $18 plus $7 shipping for the fan. It was not a lot of money, but just had to hunt for it.
3200 RPM to 19000 RPM
58db each fan!

http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Sanyo-Denki/9GV3612P3J03/?qs=t9Lg9qrXjEyzsQ/GUmONKA==

I saw they sell SP10 power supplies on Ebay, but I don't know if its true, but I heard they need to be modified to work in the SP10s.

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Quote from: mrpark on September 12, 2014, 08:29:03 AM

I had a fan go bad on one of my hosted SP10, I had to special order it, and I also fear about the power supplies since they are not that easy to find (even if I did find, not sure it would just work). Recently I bought a no name dragon type miner for experimenting, it has a regular power supply, and it also came with some super duper LOUD industrial airplane fans. I removed the loud jet engine fans, and replaced them with silent High RPM, 2000 RPM fans. The miner is working great, and no problems with heat. Why the big loud fans? I don't know. My thoughts on miner design, staying with the S3s if I need smaller miners.

Which fans did you order?

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Quote from: opentoe on September 10, 2014, 05:42:21 PM

Quote from: Syke on September 09, 2014, 05:58:03 PM

SP20: 1.7 TH/s, 2.5 BTC, ships late Oct, shipping cost not included.
S3: 1.8 TH/s (4x450), 2.3 BTC, ships late Sep, world-wide shipping cost included.

The S3 will mine nearly 1 BTC before the SP20 even ships. That puts the net price like this:

SP20: 2.5 BTC+shipping
S3: 1.3 BTC

The SP20 is twice as expensive!

I'm always a complainer about price, since it is the one factor that makes or breaks a sale. Seems I'm not the only one.
This is the way it always has been. Do I want to keep ordering other manufacture hardware? No, but I can't even break even with the retail of the Spon-Tech prices. Other manufactures (chinese for example) I can, because I get them in hand NOW and hash away though out the house.

With PSU and shipping, you're looking at around 1,600 USD for an SP20. An S3 comes out to about 320 USD with PSU (not sure about shipping cost) and an AM Tube comes to around 500 USD with PSU and shipping costs.

So, you could get 3 Tubes or 5 S3s for the cost of a single SP20.

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Quote from: xstr8guy on September 10, 2014, 04:33:24 PM

Quote from: Collider on September 10, 2014, 01:41:08 PM

Quote from: mrpark on September 10, 2014, 01:31:20 PM

The $64,000 question: Which is louder SP20 or S3. What is the DB of the SP20? Why is it not posted in the specs. I would have to be nuts to order one of these without that information.

I think S3 is way cheaper, they work well and are super quiet.

I am sure Bitmain tech will come out with something better by the time the preorders come in.

Not being negative, just keeping it real.

If you decide on spending so much, I really don´t see the point why noise would be an issue.

Your home cannot support ~75kW of constant power draw, never mind the heat.

Removing that will take atleast one 7500cfm industrial fan (which is probably louder than the miners, just saying).

Lol, the "$64,000 question" comment was not meant to be taken literally. Its just a saying taken from an old TV game show. The 64,000 question was for the ultimate prize.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_$64,000_Question

I think that's the funniest thing I heard all year! Even if I did have $64,000 I would not be buying SP20's 60db is WAY to loud for home use. I host anyway, but I also noticed those specialized fans are very hard to find.

I had a fan go bad on one of my hosted SP10, I had to special order it, and I also fear about the power supplies since they are not that easy to find (even if I did find, not sure it would just work). Recently I bought a no name dragon type miner for experimenting, it has a regular power supply, and it also came with some super duper LOUD industrial airplane fans. I removed the loud jet engine fans, and replaced them with silent High RPM, 2000 RPM fans. The miner is working great, and no problems with heat. Why the big loud fans? I don't know. My thoughts on miner design, staying with the S3s if I need smaller miners.

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ex uno plures

Kudos on excellent customer service Z. Getting any information from KNC is like pulling donkey teeth.

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Quote from: RoadStress on September 12, 2014, 01:54:22 AM

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Quote from: RoadStress on September 12, 2014, 01:17:20 AM

Quote from: edgar on September 12, 2014, 01:07:24 AM

ok, giving it a spin. .46 done. its gone back to sp30 yukon from sp3x yukon - watching the hashrate like a hawk.

It does take ~24 hours to get a stabilized hashrate from what I know.

so its going to climb >100GH over the next 23 hours??

Not sure. Have you reset the PSUs or are they using the old limits? (For reset you can put both PSUs at 1330W and afterwards the miner will reboot several times so it can learn new settings)

Max Watts
1350 / 1345

since recovery in the early hours they started at 1360w each but i didnt upgrade to .46 until they'd already settled at the above watts.

do you think its worth going back up to 1360w for reeducation? Edit - did it, might as well.

please let me know if you see the hash rate going down in the pool/self reported after the upgrade.

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Quote from: RoadStress on September 12, 2014, 01:17:20 AM

Quote from: edgar on September 12, 2014, 01:07:24 AM

ok, giving it a spin. .46 done. its gone back to sp30 yukon from sp3x yukon - watching the hashrate like a hawk.

It does take ~24 hours to get a stabilized hashrate from what I know.

so its going to climb >100GH over the next 23 hours??

Not sure. Have you reset the PSUs or are they using the old limits? (For reset you can put both PSUs at 1330W and afterwards the miner will reboot several times so it can learn new settings)

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Personal text my ass....

Quote from: dogjunior on September 12, 2014, 01:18:09 AM

Quote from: opentoe on September 12, 2014, 12:49:55 AM

Quote from: Guy Corem on September 11, 2014, 04:36:47 AM

Quote from: opentoe on September 10, 2014, 05:25:16 PM

The SP20 at the current price will not break even. Even if you adjust the diff down to 10%, it will take you 320 days to make $27. And that's just with today's rate. Don't forget that $200-$300 shipping price tag also on top. $1400.

If the price was even $800 you'd only max profit around $430. Wow, almost one bitcoin!

People, get OUT of the pre-order gamble.

Nothing is really priced anymore for the bitcoin starter, only the guy who already has hashing power and wants to add some more to what he has.

The SP20 weighs less than the SP3X and we were able to negotiate better shipping prices. Shipping price the SP20 depends on the destination but is not $200 and certainly not $300.
I don't think this is the thread to discuss ROI but if you insist on doing that at least get the numbers right.

Gadi

I didn't see shipping costs in the monster thread you guys posted or a shipping calculator on your website. If you don't like incorrect numbers on the thread, then just post them. Could of posted average shipping costs in the large advertisement thread you guys just did. At least an average? Also, ROI is the central core and most talked about subject on any new hardware. That subject is what drives sales or not. If you don't want ROI related content in the thread related to this thread's company's product's which this thread is about then they must be bad. I thought that would be a selling point for a mining rig.

ROI is subject to many factors. The calculators can't predict future value of BTC or what that would do to difficulty. Also what do you base your ROI on BTC or fiat? If BTC takes a dive to $10 then difficulty would go down as farms shut down due to overhead costs. You will make back your BTC but lose fiat. Same if BTC goes to $5000. You will get your fiat ROI but possibly not your BTC. Making predictions based on current BTC value and percentage increases in difficulty is a fallacy.

I'll just say it will not return your investment and that's it. Who wants to talk about ROI and stuff like that in here? Hmmm, how is the weather these days?

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Quote from: opentoe on September 12, 2014, 12:49:55 AM

Quote from: Guy Corem on September 11, 2014, 04:36:47 AM

Quote from: opentoe on September 10, 2014, 05:25:16 PM

The SP20 at the current price will not break even. Even if you adjust the diff down to 10%, it will take you 320 days to make $27. And that's just with today's rate. Don't forget that $200-$300 shipping price tag also on top. $1400.

If the price was even $800 you'd only max profit around $430. Wow, almost one bitcoin!

People, get OUT of the pre-order gamble.

Nothing is really priced anymore for the bitcoin starter, only the guy who already has hashing power and wants to add some more to what he has.

The SP20 weighs less than the SP3X and we were able to negotiate better shipping prices. Shipping price the SP20 depends on the destination but is not $200 and certainly not $300.
I don't think this is the thread to discuss ROI but if you insist on doing that at least get the numbers right.

Gadi

I didn't see shipping costs in the monster thread you guys posted or a shipping calculator on your website. If you don't like incorrect numbers on the thread, then just post them. Could of posted average shipping costs in the large advertisement thread you guys just did. At least an average? Also, ROI is the central core and most talked about subject on any new hardware. That subject is what drives sales or not. If you don't want ROI related content in the thread related to this thread's company's product's which this thread is about then they must be bad. I thought that would be a selling point for a mining rig.

ROI is subject to many factors. The calculators can't predict future value of BTC or what that would do to difficulty. Also what do you base your ROI on BTC or fiat? If BTC takes a dive to $10 then difficulty would go down as farms shut down due to overhead costs. You will make back your BTC but lose fiat. Same if BTC goes to $5000. You will get your fiat ROI but possibly not your BTC. Making predictions based on current BTC value and percentage increases in difficulty is a fallacy.

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Quote from: edgar on September 12, 2014, 01:07:24 AM

ok, giving it a spin. .46 done. its gone back to sp30 yukon from sp3x yukon - watching the hashrate like a hawk.

It does take ~24 hours to get a stabilized hashrate from what I know.

edgar

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Quote from: RoadStress on September 12, 2014, 12:46:37 AM

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none has appeared yet.. but i shall as they do

and 30 minutes in its about 100GH down

You can upgrade it even if it hasn't appeared. Just hit upgrade button.

ok, giving it a spin. .46 done. its gone back to sp30 yukon from sp3x yukon - watching the hashrate like a hawk.

@opentoe - sadly have to agree, its all about the 'spin' & the equally significant lack thereof of relevant data, that gives the game away.

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Quote from: Guy Corem on September 11, 2014, 04:36:47 AM

Quote from: opentoe on September 10, 2014, 05:25:16 PM

The SP20 at the current price will not break even. Even if you adjust the diff down to 10%, it will take you 320 days to make $27. And that's just with today's rate. Don't forget that $200-$300 shipping price tag also on top. $1400.

If the price was even $800 you'd only max profit around $430. Wow, almost one bitcoin!

People, get OUT of the pre-order gamble.

Nothing is really priced anymore for the bitcoin starter, only the guy who already has hashing power and wants to add some more to what he has.

The SP20 weighs less than the SP3X and we were able to negotiate better shipping prices. Shipping price the SP20 depends on the destination but is not $200 and certainly not $300.
I don't think this is the thread to discuss ROI but if you insist on doing that at least get the numbers right.

Gadi

I didn't see shipping costs in the monster thread you guys posted or a shipping calculator on your website. If you don't like incorrect numbers on the thread, then just post them. Could of posted average shipping costs in the large advertisement thread you guys just did. At least an average? Also, ROI is the central core and most talked about subject on any new hardware. That subject is what drives sales or not. If you don't want ROI related content in the thread related to this thread's company's product's which this thread is about then they must be bad. I thought that would be a selling point for a mining rig.

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Quote from: ?? on ??

none has appeared yet.. but i shall as they do

and 30 minutes in its about 100GH down

You can upgrade it even if it hasn't appeared. Just hit upgrade button.

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Quote from: klondike_bar on September 10, 2014, 06:24:40 PM

Quote from: opentoe on September 10, 2014, 05:59:34 PM

Quote from: s1gs3gv on September 10, 2014, 05:50:23 PM

Quote from: opentoe on September 10, 2014, 05:25:16 PM

Nothing is really priced anymore for the bitcoin starter, only the guy who already has hashing power and wants to add some more to what he has.

Huh ? Why would an experienced miner overpay when a newbie wouldn't ?

Cause experienced miners usually have a small hoard of bitcoin they made from mining and if they have paid for all their hardware already they'll essentially be purchasing gear for free.

I already cashed out the money I spent on bitcoin hardware. Everything I have left (minus small costs) is basically "free" money in my eyes. More or less an opinion really.

Newbie bitcoiner's most likely won't have bitcoins. I hope I explained that correctly.

how is profit "free"? profit = BTC = value

If i made +20% ROI on my previous generation of mining equipment, it doesnt mean that I am more than willing to overpay 20% on my next hardware purchase. thats just silly. I buy hardware only if my calculations indicate it stands a good chance of making a positive return (as a result I have not purchased any hardware in over a month now, despite a growing stash of BTC that I would like to be re-investing by now)

prices need to be <1BTC/TH/0.8kW without a PSU to be worthwhile purchase, +/- 10% based on the ease and stability of operation. (my SP10 and bitmain gear has almost zero downtime, unlike all the sh*t running on RPis that constantly wreck SD cards or have issues when there is a power blip)

Last thing we need in here is another math war. I'm a layman and do it simple.

If I pay $2000 for something and it cost me $2500 to operate it over one month and that something gives me back bitcoin worth over $2500 then I'm good. I don't take it out of control on an OCD level and since I never did, I have never "lost" money. If after I'm all done paying for my hardware and operating costs on what is left over, if you don't see that profit as free money then I'll just agree to disagree. Well in your case profit = BTC = value. To me, profit is the difference between the amount earned and the amount spent. That is a widely accepted definition of what profit is.

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Quote from: edgar on September 11, 2014, 11:40:10 PM

e2a - .43 achieved.

quieter for sure!! 2-3C warmer too!

You should do another FW upgrade now. Don't know if the last official version is .44 or .46, but you can definitely can do another FW upgrade.

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Quote from: RoadStress on September 11, 2014, 11:15:24 PM

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i think you might be right, but i'll wait for 100% certainty, as im not sure if the .RAR file is just called the .TAR file for convenience or if it actually is a .TAR file....whilst 'unextracted'

2.3.40 is running ok for now.

im surprised this 'bricking' issue hasnt been ironed out but i see other issues have taken precedence.

any info as to why .43 is the last version available via the GUI while .46 is floating around elsewhere?

I am pretty confident that I am right, but wait for an official statement.

The .46 is floating around while you only see .43 because of this:

Quote from: zvisha on September 08, 2014, 05:16:25 AM

Hi all
The line of SP30 will be renamed to SP3x in the SW.
SW version 2.3.43 will be the last SW release downloaded by machines identified as SP30.
After that it will request from SW update server SW for SP3x, and will be updated with 2.3.44 which is SP3x.

So till you updated to 2.3.43 you will not see any new SW releases in your SW upgrade menu.

cheers..

so i'll give .43 another go.

at least i have my sp3x brick recovery sd card now...

e2a - .43 achieved.

quieter for sure!! 2-3C warmer too!

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Quote from: ?? on ??

i think you might be right, but i'll wait for 100% certainty, as im not sure if the .RAR file is just called the .TAR file for convenience or if it actually is a .TAR file....whilst 'unextracted'

2.3.40 is running ok for now.

im surprised this 'bricking' issue hasnt been ironed out but i see other issues have taken precedence.

any info as to why .43 is the last version available via the GUI while .46 is floating around elsewhere?

I am pretty confident that I am right, but wait for an official statement.

The .46 is floating around while you only see .43 because of this:

Quote from: zvisha on September 08, 2014, 05:16:25 AM

Hi all
The line of SP30 will be renamed to SP3x in the SW.
SW version 2.3.43 will be the last SW release downloaded by machines identified as SP30.
After that it will request from SW update server SW for SP3x, and will be updated with 2.3.44 which is SP3x.

So till you updated to 2.3.43 you will not see any new SW releases in your SW upgrade menu.

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i found no .tar file...

after unzipping i found a spon.shar file & a spon.shar.sign file only...

are you implying that the ~~zip~~ RAR file is not to be extracted?

I don't think that you need to extract those files. Just use directly the .tar file as a new FW upload, not the files inside!

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Quote from: edgar on September 11, 2014, 08:03:15 PM

Quote from: edgar on September 11, 2014, 02:20:48 PM

Quote from: zvisha on September 11, 2014, 01:38:19 PM

Quote from: edgar on September 11, 2014, 01:03:17 PM

Quote from: Biffa on September 11, 2014, 12:55:04 PM

Quote from: edgar on September 11, 2014, 12:37:19 PM

very strange, but seemingly common enough to be in the FAQs

after 3 power cycles myminer.io is working - NOTHING else is

Hopefully zvisha or someone from support will arrange with you to remote access to your device and sort it out, I could be wrong but I don't think you will get much help from most of the enthusiasts on the forum, not for want of trying but more for lack of technical insight.

cheers biffa,

i PMd zvi after he replied earlier....
just did the recovery again, to make sure i hadnt fumbled it the 1st time.
end result is the same, can access myminer.io but cannot 'go to miner' etc
its getting silly now, im exhausted
totally regret updating FW!

myminer.io is not on the miner.
Please answer the following:
- when doing recovery, do you get the leds going green-yellow-green-yellow...? yes
- Are you sure you are trying to connect from the same subnet as where your miner is?
- Do you get the led blinking twice after doing recovery? no
I think your miner changed IP, but myminer.io for some reason does not reflect it.
Go to your router UI and try to see what is the miner IP (see all the IPs and try to connect to each).

e2a - successfully upgraded to .40 - 45xxGH

i found no .tar file in the .46 link u posted only 'spon.shar' & 'spon.shar.sign' files

that is what in the tar file.

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Quote from: edgar on September 11, 2014, 02:20:48 PM

Quote from: zvisha on September 11, 2014, 01:38:19 PM

Quote from: edgar on September 11, 2014, 01:03:17 PM

Quote from: Biffa on September 11, 2014, 12:55:04 PM

Quote from: edgar on September 11, 2014, 12:37:19 PM

very strange, but seemingly common enough to be in the FAQs

after 3 power cycles myminer.io is working - NOTHING else is

Hopefully zvisha or someone from support will arrange with you to remote access to your device and sort it out, I could be wrong but I don't think you will get much help from most of the enthusiasts on the forum, not for want of trying but more for lack of technical insight.

cheers biffa,

i PMd zvi after he replied earlier....
just did the recovery again, to make sure i hadnt fumbled it the 1st time.
end result is the same, can access myminer.io but cannot 'go to miner' etc
its getting silly now, im exhausted
totally regret updating FW!

myminer.io is not on the miner.
Please answer the following:
- when doing recovery, do you get the leds going green-yellow-green-yellow...? yes
- Are you sure you are trying to connect from the same subnet as where your miner is?
- Do you get the led blinking twice after doing recovery? no
I think your miner changed IP, but myminer.io for some reason does not reflect it.
Go to your router UI and try to see what is the miner IP (see all the IPs and try to connect to each).

e2a - successfully upgraded to .40 - 45xxGH

i found no .tar file in the .46 link u posted only 'spon.shar' & 'spon.shar.sign' files

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