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Topic: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs - page 513. (Read 1260354 times)

legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
Hi guys,

Have been following the different manufacturers in mining equipment.  I just wonder how they can do this:

Consider:
Cointerra --- 28nm chips x 16, can only produce 100GHS per chip and machinewise 1600GHS, and use 1.3W/GHS
Antminer S3 --- 28nm chips x 32, can only produce ~15GHS per chip and machinewise ~450GHS, and use ~0.78W/GHS
Spondoolies --- 28nm chips x 30, can produce 200GHS per chip and machinewise 6000GHs???, and use <0.5W/GHS???


I know Cointerra is kinda crapy, but the "Cointerra vs Antminer" comparison makes sense, Cointerra use higher frequency per chip thus more GHS per chip, but less power efficient.  vise versa.  And indeed both these products exists, but both delivered under-spec, suggesting that the industry struggled in further pushing the 28nm chips to higher performance ... 28nm chip has more or less reached the limit (i.e. overclock setting: 100GHS with 1.3W/GHS, or underclock setting: 15GHS with 0.78W/GHS).

Now the "Cointerra vs Spondoolies" and "Antminer vs Spondoolies" comparisons doesn't make sense.  Spon got both chipwise and powerwise more efficient than both Antminer and Cointerra ... that doesn't sound right ... has any of this product been shipped yet?

you do realize the 3 chips are all different?

also the s-3 should not be compared to either unit.  the s-3 is a small unit in physical size . it can be scattered about your home.  it can be under clocked.  it is pretty quiet .. the coin terra gear and the sp30 are big pull a lot of power on 1 circuit . they are loud much better gear for use in a data center.

the s30 will not hash for you for at least 45 days.  it should not be compared to anything at all.

the s30 is being built in a country that has been  under missile attack for the last two weeks.

the s30 in hand mining today would beat everyone!  but it is not in hand.

my s-3's are mining right now.  they will be roi by some time in sept due to my lower power cost (only can run 2 this way)

I would have loved to purchase a s10 back in april went with a dragon miner. i just did a fiat roi with it this week.
legendary
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I just wonder how they can do this:

The claim is this:

Quote
Using smarter code, and better physical design, he explained.

“I have a non-standard implementation of SHA-256 [the cryptographic software algorithm used by the Bitcoin protocol], as well as a very good physical implementation of the engine on the ASIC,” said Corem.

One thing he claims to have done is reduce the ‘toggle rate’ of the chips – meaning the number of times that the tiny electrical components have to switch electrical state.

If they deliver as promised, I guess it's true.

http://www.coindesk.com/spondoolies-tech-promises-power-efficient-mining/
legendary
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Hi guys,

Have been following the different manufacturers in mining equipment.  I just wonder how they can do this:

Consider:
Cointerra --- 28nm chips x 16, can only produce 100GHS per chip and machinewise 1600GHS, and use 1.3W/GHS
Antminer S3 --- 28nm chips x 32, can only produce ~15GHS per chip and machinewise ~450GHS, and use ~0.78W/GHS
Spondoolies --- 28nm chips x 30, can produce 200GHS per chip and machinewise 6000GHs???, and use <0.5W/GHS???


I know Cointerra is kinda crapy, but the "Cointerra vs Antminer" comparison makes sense, Cointerra use higher frequency per chip thus more GHS per chip, but less power efficient.  vise versa.  And indeed both these products exists, but both delivered under-spec, suggesting that the industry struggled in further pushing the 28nm chips to higher performance ... 28nm chip has more or less reached the limit (i.e. overclock setting: 100GHS with 1.3W/GHS, or underclock setting: 15GHS with 0.78W/GHS).

Now the "Cointerra vs Spondoolies" and "Antminer vs Spondoolies" comparisons doesn't make sense.  Spon got both chipwise and powerwise more efficient than both Antminer and Cointerra ... that doesn't sound right ... has any of this product been shipped yet?

How hard is to read at least the last posts before you post? Check this out:

@spondoolies
Are the chips already in hand?
We're getting the ASICs on Tuesday
member
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Hi guys,

Have been following the different manufacturers in mining equipment.  I just wonder how they can do this:

Consider:
Cointerra --- 28nm chips x 16, can only produce 100GHS per chip and machinewise 1600GHS, and use 1.3W/GHS
Antminer S3 --- 28nm chips x 32, can only produce ~15GHS per chip and machinewise ~450GHS, and use ~0.78W/GHS
Spondoolies --- 28nm chips x 30, can produce 200GHS per chip and machinewise 6000GHs???, and use <0.5W/GHS???


I know Cointerra is kinda crapy, but the "Cointerra vs Antminer" comparison makes sense, Cointerra use higher frequency per chip thus more GHS per chip, but less power efficient.  vise versa.  And indeed both these products exists, but both delivered under-spec, suggesting that the industry struggled in further pushing the 28nm chips to higher performance ... 28nm chip has more or less reached the limit (i.e. overclock setting: 100GHS with 1.3W/GHS, or underclock setting: 15GHS with 0.78W/GHS).

Now the "Cointerra vs Spondoolies" and "Antminer vs Spondoolies" comparisons doesn't make sense.  Spon got both chipwise and powerwise more efficient than both Antminer and Cointerra ... that doesn't sound right ... has any of this product been shipped yet?
ZiG
sr. member
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@spondoolies
Are the chips already in hand?
We're getting the ASICs on Tuesday

Do you have an estimate on when the august batch will ship? Early august, late august?

They'll ship in August. And probably over a reasonable period in order order.

...in order of the orders ordered... Grin

LOL

ZiG
legendary
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dogiecoin.com
@spondoolies
Are the chips already in hand?
We're getting the ASICs on Tuesday

Do you have an estimate on when the august batch will ship? Early august, late august?

They'll ship in August. And probably over a reasonable period in order order.
hero member
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@spondoolies
Are the chips already in hand?
We're getting the ASICs on Tuesday

Do you have an estimate on when the august batch will ship? Early august, late august?
hero member
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Strange, I haven't seen Jim here for a while.

I think that there is a bet, still running, right?
legendary
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So, when is the first batch SP30 going to be delivered?

Well this month for sure even if there are just 10 days left.

I know they are a good crew but without even having the first set of chips in you think it will really be that smooth?

How do you know they don't have the first set of chips in hand? You don't.


Please tell me how you know that for sure, you do not know my background nor my dealing with Spondoolies or any other manufacturer, I am making statements based on the foundry production timelines as the industry isn't magic but a fairly well understood process if you have proper background...

That's correct. I don't know your background dealing with SP-Tech, but I do know that they said they will have chips late July and I do believe that it will be smooth and 10 days are plenty enough to get chips in hand and ship their small July batch. Knowing the production timelines you should also know that this is either a hit or a miss and if it's a hit they will not need a lot of days to get the miners rolling out of the door once they have chips in hand just as Collider stated.

Fair enough, RoadStress brought a piss poor attitude with his response so I addressed it, thanks for pointing out the real status of the chips...

Discussing over the Internet (or text arguing) has its pros and cons. One of the cons (or pro) is that the reader is free to interpret the statements as he pleases. I don't think that my reply was that bad as you state and it wasn't my intention to attack you with that reply. To be honest, at first I wanted to give you an aggressive reply, but I changed my mind and gave you a normal reply. Stating that you don't know if they have or not chips in hand still seems to be a fair reply. It's not an attack. You misinterpreted my reply and I had no intention to attack you.
I also agree that sometimes I'm giving swifter replies to FUDsters, but this wasn't the case.  If this was a real life discussion I am sure that you wouldn't have misinterpreted my reply.

Let's wait and see what will next week bring us in terms of news from SP-Tech instead of arguing or making predictions. Peace! (because we all need it)
legendary
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https://www.bitworks.io

Please tell me how you know that for sure, you do not know my background nor my dealing with Spondoolies or any other manufacturer, I am making statements based on the foundry production timelines as the industry isn't magic but a fairly well understood process if you have proper background...

They just announced they get the chips on Tuesday, so is this argument really worth having?

You can go from chips to finished pick and place and working miners in like 3 days, even KNC managed that on their first product.

Fair enough, RoadStress brought a piss poor attitude with his response so I addressed it, thanks for pointing out the real status of the chips...
hero member
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Please tell me how you know that for sure, you do not know my background nor my dealing with Spondoolies or any other manufacturer, I am making statements based on the foundry production timelines as the industry isn't magic but a fairly well understood process if you have proper background...

They just announced they get the chips on Tuesday, so is this argument really worth having?

You can go from chips to finished pick and place and working miners in like 3 days, even KNC managed that on their first product.
legendary
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https://www.bitworks.io
So, when is the first batch SP30 going to be delivered?

Well this month for sure even if there are just 10 days left.

I know they are a good crew but without even having the first set of chips in you think it will really be that smooth?

How do you know they don't have the first set of chips in hand? You don't.


Please tell me how you know that for sure, you do not know my background nor my dealing with Spondoolies or any other manufacturer, I am making statements based on the foundry production timelines as the industry isn't magic but a fairly well understood process if you have proper background...

If you so close to them you should know the answer as well,  let's assume you are close to them and know the answer, under NDA or not you shouldn't be making the statements above no matter the case because that is extremely irresponsible as you are not a formal representative of the company but you are trying to push your GB..
member
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Hello,

I'm still waiting for a reply on my request (498) sent on 7th July 10:36 PM.

Greets Sjoerd
copper member
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Clueless!
Just switch to a 208V or 220V circuit, 120V circuits are a stupid idea anyway.
Unfortunately this is not a financially feasible option at my location. The setup costs associated with switching from 120V to 208V plus the cost of new 208V PDUs is simply not worth it for the extra efficiency for a setup that would run for under a year.

I might have mentioned this before but I go around looking for pre-wired cabinets abandoned by companies that go out of business and I just lease the current configuration for a discounted rate.

Anyway even at 120V I believe the SP30 will perform adequately.



not sure if this applies..I'm in the states and I am using this rather then a PDU

http://www.amazon.com/Tripp-Lite-EURO-4-International-Protector/dp/B00006HZ4M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1405854736&sr=8-1&keywords=euro4

just because I have 3 220v outlets near my elec box I will use 1 of the above (overkill I know) on each circuit....2 for each power supply for the SP30 1 for the KNC Titan
300mh scrypt miner

If you DO pay for your elec at the place you rent ...and you CAN get 220v with permission from your landlord to your miner he likely would approve in that it
adds some options/infrastructure to his rental unit

of course if you don't want the landlord to know you have a miner or the guy is an ass or something the above won't work

but you could always do the below ...(depending on how easy it is to get a line from your panel at your rental place)

how to put in a 220v circuit (equiv you tube videos for EU I'd bet)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMgwZDtR4tw

me I had this same problem renting ...I just put a plug in...it was for a 220v a/c unit....landlord never even noticed....same deal I paid electric bill on the apt.

Searing


hero member
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Just switch to a 208V or 220V circuit, 120V circuits are a stupid idea anyway.
Unfortunately this is not a financially feasible option at my location. The setup costs associated with switching from 120V to 208V plus the cost of new 208V PDUs is simply not worth it for the extra efficiency for a setup that would run for under a year.

I might have mentioned this before but I go around looking for pre-wired cabinets abandoned by companies that go out of business and I just lease the current configuration for a discounted rate.

Anyway even at 120V I believe the SP30 will perform adequately.

I dont know how much savings that realizes, but you might consider the groupbuy hosting option from spondoolies and fill your leased cabinets with other miners, that are not as power dependant?
donator
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Just switch to a 208V or 220V circuit, 120V circuits are a stupid idea anyway.
Unfortunately this is not a financially feasible option at my location. The setup costs associated with switching from 120V to 208V plus the cost of new 208V PDUs is simply not worth it for the extra efficiency for a setup that would run for under a year.

I might have mentioned this before but I go around looking for pre-wired cabinets abandoned by companies that go out of business and I just lease the current configuration for a discounted rate.

Anyway even at 120V I believe the SP30 will perform adequately.

copper member
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Clueless!
They cannot deny you a refund, doing so would be unlawful.

This has been stated repeatedly and BFL seems to be giving them now (as they have no choice), but you do have to ask for it.

Also, this isn´t the BFL thread Smiley

sorry that was ment for a different thread I deleted it...
but they are still denying refunds if they are less then 6 months 1 day old

As to the post I ment to make here ...good to see they have the chips...in hand
now we can see some action from a 'legit' company that knows what it is doing in contrast to BFL..

again sorry about the wrong thread post

Searing

donator
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Spondoolies, Beam & DAGlabs
We'll soon post a payment link for WA State group buy deal.
hero member
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@spondoolies

Sweet, when do you project I receive my sp30  Grin

Also, do you need hosting paperwork / payment done before that to have it sent to the WA datacenter?

I am asking because the only thing we received was the one email where you could register your interest, but nothing after that.

I obviously want my sp30 to be online as fast as possible, and having it sent to Europe is not an option as I would have to pay 20% vat.
hero member
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Miner Setup And Reviews. WASP Rep.
@spondoolies
Are the chips already in hand?
We're getting the ASICs on Tuesday

Congratulations. Will be great to see some SP30's in action.
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