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Topic: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs - page 516. (Read 1260354 times)

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@zvisha

How much too low is the sp10 cgminer API readout (aka cgminer stats)?

I read through github and I suspect around 5%?

Will the sp30 have the same inaccuracy?

About that much. Sp30 no idea yet.
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@zvisha

How much too low is the sp10 cgminer API readout (aka cgminer stats)?

I read through github and I suspect around 5%?

Will the sp30 have the same inaccuracy?
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I agree with Collider, stacking works fine for small numbers. Also, unless you have an unusual facility, you're not going to be able to have more than one or two SP30s in a room for power and cooling reasons.
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You can just sit it onto the shelf and stack the units....

You do not need any special equipment for that.

A metal, heavy duty shelf is enough and off you go.
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Can anyone pm me or tell me rack ears that work with SP10 and are available on amazon or any other site that is located in EU (to have lower cost for shipping)

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I just went with a shelf instead.
Much easier and this supports 2 of my SP10s with ease.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001DW6G0C/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I'm thinking about purchasing this one for few SP30s. What do you think?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291075344625?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

I'm not planning to mount it on the wall but just leave it standing on the shelf. I wuld also need to figure what kind of shelfes or rack strips go with it.
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Can anyone pm me or tell me rack ears that work with SP10 and are available on amazon or any other site that is located in EU (to have lower cost for shipping)

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I just went with a shelf instead.
Much easier and this supports 2 of my SP10s with ease.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001DW6G0C/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Can anyone pm me or tell me rack ears that work with SP10 and are available on amazon or any other site that is located in EU (to have lower cost for shipping)

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The SP10 rack ears are custom, email Spond and they will sell you some.
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I thought SP-TECH would have been the first to get 28NM out the door.

You mean besides KNC, Hashfast, Cointerra, Coincraft, and Black Arrow? Spondoolies isn't aiming to be first. They're aiming to be best.
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I thought SP-TECH would have been the first to get 28NM out the door. Shocking to see those Antminers are already shipping. Efficiency I don't think is as good, but if you ordered a whole bunch of them you'd have them in just a few days. Let us just pass the SP50 and go right to the SP100 and skip home mining completely.
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1. 40kw per rack requires extreme (and extremely expensive) cooling. I think most datacenters being built in 2015+ will use immersion cooling.
3. I think it's about time to just make the switch over to immersion cooling. There's really no competition. Even with 40C dT air cooling still can't match the density or efficiency of immersion cooling.

1. I don't think so. If you do it the traditional datacenter way, with in-aisle air conditioners or water cooling loops with water chillers on the roof, then yes, it's expensive. I think there's a better way. I should know in late August if it works. It will likely be cheaper than immersion cooling.
3. I expect my DC's PUE to be under 1.05 (not including transformer losses, substation losses, and voltage drop losses). That might be higher than Allied Control's claimed 1.01, but not by much. (Their 1.01 figure certainly doesn't include any of the electrical losses I mentioned, since a transformer's efficiency is essentially never above 99%.)

I'm interested to know more about your DC plans.

How will it be cooled?

Does the 1.05PUE include the four 15w fans per sp30?

What is the infrastructure $/w? (Excluding the cost of the asics)

Does your fancy cooling method require extra cash or space?

What's the total capacity of the DC? MW? Square feet?
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Can anyone pm me or tell me rack ears that work with SP10 and are available on amazon or any other site that is located in EU (to have lower cost for shipping)

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1) for those who can handle the density a small unit is terrific (and I think in 2015 datacenters will start designing new rooms/racks with bitcoin mining in mind)
2) saving a lot on heatsinks, a larger case, and shipping costs
3) with immersion cooling on the horizon it makes some sense to understand how efficiently the units can be cooled with the least aluminum and airflow, as density of chips in immersion will be a prioity

1) Absolutely. As a datacenter developer (and SP30 and SP10 customer), I'm very happy about the SP?0 power density.


1. 40kw per rack requires extreme (and extremely expensive) cooling. I think most datacenters being built in 2015+ will use immersion cooling.
3. I think it's about time to just make the switch over to immersion cooling. There's really no competition. Even with 40C dT air cooling still can't match the density or efficiency of immersion cooling.

1. I don't think so. If you do it the traditional datacenter way, with in-aisle air conditioners or water cooling loops with water chillers on the roof, then yes, it's expensive. I think there's a better way. I should know in late August if it works. It will likely be cheaper than immersion cooling.
3. I expect my DC's PUE to be under 1.05 (not including transformer losses, substation losses, and voltage drop losses). That might be higher than Allied Control's claimed 1.01, but not by much. (Their 1.01 figure certainly doesn't include any of the electrical losses I mentioned, since a transformer's efficiency is essentially never above 99%.)

not to put pressure on you, but is that datacenter coming?  Smiley
what's causing the holdup?
smaller retail spaces in Houston are being renovated in a day or two max as long as sq footage is profitable...
is energy commitment causes the holdup?
sorry to putting you on the spot, but you do talk about your upcoming facility here...
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1) for those who can handle the density a small unit is terrific (and I think in 2015 datacenters will start designing new rooms/racks with bitcoin mining in mind)
2) saving a lot on heatsinks, a larger case, and shipping costs
3) with immersion cooling on the horizon it makes some sense to understand how efficiently the units can be cooled with the least aluminum and airflow, as density of chips in immersion will be a prioity

1) Absolutely. As a datacenter developer (and SP30 and SP10 customer), I'm very happy about the SP?0 power density.


1. 40kw per rack requires extreme (and extremely expensive) cooling. I think most datacenters being built in 2015+ will use immersion cooling.
3. I think it's about time to just make the switch over to immersion cooling. There's really no competition. Even with 40C dT air cooling still can't match the density or efficiency of immersion cooling.

1. I don't think so. If you do it the traditional datacenter way, with in-aisle air conditioners or water cooling loops with water chillers on the roof, then yes, it's expensive. I think there's a better way. I should know in late August if it works. It will likely be cheaper than immersion cooling.
3. I expect my DC's PUE to be under 1.05 (not including transformer losses, substation losses, and voltage drop losses). That might be higher than Allied Control's claimed 1.01, but not by much. (Their 1.01 figure certainly doesn't include any of the electrical losses I mentioned, since a transformer's efficiency is essentially never above 99%.)
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@roadstress

Not sure what you're trying to say.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't they basically sacrafice quietness and/or coolness so they can have a heat density about twice as much as most modern DCs can handle?

Again, why not double the size of the heatsinks and use quieter or more powerful 120mm fans?

I'm saying that you are reviving a topic which was already covered like always.

In my view they traded heavier units which cost more (because of the bigger radiator+more shipping fees) for a more compact case with a few more dB. I don't think they sacrificed the coolness considering their job with the SP10. While SP10 hashes a bit better in a cooler environment, the performance increase is not that big to worth the costs of better cooling in form of a bigger case with bigger radiators so I am sure that they will achieve the perfect balance on the SP30 too. Just wait a few more days and you will see.
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a few reasons in my mind.

1) for those who can handle the density a small unit is terrific (and I think in 2015 datacenters will start designing new rooms/racks with bitcoin mining in mind)
2) saving a lot on heatsinks, a larger case, and shipping costs
3) with immersion cooling on the horizon it makes some sense to understand how efficiently the units can be cooled with the least aluminum and airflow, as density of chips in immersion will be a prioity

1. 40kw per rack requires extreme (and extremely expensive) cooling. I think most datacenters being built in 2015+ will use immersion cooling.

2. Shipping costs might be a bit more but extruded aliminum heatsinks are dirt cheap as well as 120mm fans.

3. I think it's about time to just make the switch over to immersion cooling. There's really no competition. Even with 40C dT air cooling still can't match the density or efficiency of immersion cooling.
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@roadstress

Not sure what you're trying to say.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't they basically sacrafice quietness and/or coolness so they can have a heat density about twice as much as most modern DCs can handle?

Again, why not double the size of the heatsinks and use quieter or more powerful 120mm fans?

a few reasons in my mind.

1) for those who can handle the density a small unit is terrific (and I think in 2015 datacenters will start designing new rooms/racks with bitcoin mining in mind)
2) saving a lot on heatsinks, a larger case, and shipping costs
3) with immersion cooling on the horizon it makes some sense to understand how efficiently the units can be cooled with the least aluminum and airflow, as density of chips in immersion will be a prioity
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@roadstress

Not sure what you're trying to say.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't they basically sacrafice quietness and/or coolness so they can have a heat density about twice as much as most modern DCs can handle?

Again, why not double the size of the heatsinks and use quieter or more powerful 120mm fans?
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400cfm is really not much for 2.6kw.

Way ahead of you jimmothy Smiley

SyRenity please address the issue of SP30 heat dissipation. How do you plan to dissipate 2500W from that small case?

Answer from the team:
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When designing a cooling solution, the most important factor is the heat density, rather then the performance or the total amount of the dissipated heat. The second factor would be the max allowed ASIC’s Tj.

You are right, we are going to maintain the same air flow cooling mechanism for the SP30 as well. We going to use a custom heat sink that was designed and manufactured according to ASIC’s heat dense and Tj with 80mm Fans with a total of ~300 CFM.

The heat sink will be composed of Aluminum K=167 W/m*K 6061 T6 and copper base attached to the ASICs themselves.
The entire design is backed up with a thermal analysis simulations that we are performing as part of the mechanical and electrical design process
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ok i'll try to do it your way....use something like this to get air moving over the unit ...so to speak

http://www.menards.com/main/fans/commercial-fans/stanley-blower-fan-pivoting-utility-fan-with-grounded-outlets/p-1393859-c-12728.htm

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very bad fan.
How to disaasemble and clean the Stanley blower fan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnjXLdAVHGM

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