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Quote from: Collider on July 01, 2014, 12:31:16 AM

I don´t know why you are comparing the S3 to the sp30, but my view was:

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Bitmains S3 is basically the competitor to the sp10.

Quote from: jimmothy on June 30, 2014, 07:44:45 PM

How so? SP10 are not for sale anymore and are much more expensive/less efficient/less home friendly than an s3. Also don't forget that 0.77w/gh is before underclocking. I wouldn't be surprised if the S3 is already capable of 0.5w/gh at the wall.

9btc buys you 6TH in 2 weeks or ~3 months. It's a pretty simple choice if you ask me.

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I don´t know why you are comparing the S3 to the sp30, but my view was:

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Bitmains S3 is basically the competitor to the sp10.

As such the S3 is basically more power efficient, cheaper per GH but needs more space.

Space however isn´t nearly the limit as most high density facilities can´t handle a full sp10 rack anyway (~40kW).

Using 140mm fans makes them more home-user friendly aswell.

I am also more than certain that bitmain will come up with an S4 product with ~0.5W/GH.
If this happens in due time, they will probably offer a cheaper price as their production costs are much lower than spondoolies` and they are selling at much higher volume (for now).

Let´s see whether spondoolies will be able to increase their volume (I see no reason why they shouldn´t, as their 28nm chip will likely be very good).

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Quote from: Syke on June 30, 2014, 11:22:56 PM

Quote from: RoadStress on June 30, 2014, 11:15:54 PM

Ignoring the fact that repeating the same thing is simply stupid I will just tell you both that the S3 is out of stock so you can't order it right now.

Uh, no it's not.

Corrected, but still waiting for a live power measurement.

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Quote from: Syke on June 30, 2014, 11:22:56 PM

Quote from: RoadStress on June 30, 2014, 11:15:54 PM

Ignoring the fact that repeating the same thing is simply stupid I will just tell you both that the S3 is out of stock so you can't order it right now.

Uh, no it's not.

...and selling like popcorn...Just bought 2... Grin

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Quote from: RoadStress on June 30, 2014, 11:15:54 PM

Ignoring the fact that repeating the same thing is simply stupid I will just tell you both that the S3 is out of stock so you can't order it right now.

Uh, no it's not.

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Quote from: s1gs3gv on June 30, 2014, 07:35:56 PM

^this
Those S3s sure look good. 6TH (12 x S3) July 15 for 9 BTC or ~ 9BTC for 6TH (SP30) in September (hopefully)

Quote from: jimmothy on June 30, 2014, 07:44:45 PM

9btc buys you 6TH in 2 weeks or ~3 months. It's a pretty simple choice if you ask me.

Ignoring the fact that repeating the same thing is simply stupid ~~I will just tell you both that the S3 is out of stock so you can't order it right now~~.

Edit: Mistake. S3 isn't out of stock.

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Quote from: Collider on June 30, 2014, 04:45:34 PM

While comparing miners here:

Bitmains S3 is basically the competitor to the sp10.

However, I have no doubt that bitmain will come up with a fully rackmountable 4U 1-2kW solution with 0.5W/GH at the wall.
This will in turn be the main competitor to the sp30, and should not require a preorder.

Exciting times, let´s see how it goes.

How so? SP10 are not for sale anymore and are much more expensive/less efficient/less home friendly than an s3. Also don't forget that 0.77w/gh is before underclocking. I wouldn't be surprised if the S3 was already capable of 0.5w/gh at the wall.

9btc buys you 6TH in 2 weeks or ~3 months. It's a pretty simple choice if you ask me.

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Quote from: whonesta on June 30, 2014, 11:34:23 AM

9 BTC for 6TH/s in mid-July or 8.4 BTC for 6TH/s in mid-september.. hmm tough one... NOT

Sorry SP30 going to need to dump a few grand before this is a deal.

^this

Those S3s sure look good. 6TH (12 x S3) July 15 for 9 BTC or ~ 9BTC for 6TH (SP30) in September (hopefully)

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Quote from: RoadStress on June 30, 2014, 01:05:47 PM

That's because I had to leave and didn't have the time to send. You got a PM with the txid for the 0.1 BTC.

Beastlymac refunded me my 0.1 BTC just 12 hours ago. I'll resend it when I'm home tonight (~10 hours from now).

Quote from: RoadStress on June 30, 2014, 01:05:47 PM

You were correct. I was away for the weekend and yes I think that I may lose this bet. I should have pushed for May 31 2015 as deadline.

If your difficulty crystal ball is that finely tuned that 2 extra difficulty periods out of ~25 will give you that much information. I envy you. If it hits 300B on June 29th instead of June 1st, will that mean the difference between your SP30 making ROI or not?

Quote from: RoadStress on June 25, 2014, 09:08:55 AM

Thank you. I will send the money in 4-5 hours since I don't have access to my wallet right now.

Sorry - from our POV it looked like you'd backed out.

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Quote from: raskul on June 30, 2014, 06:01:47 PM

Quote from: Collider on June 30, 2014, 04:45:34 PM

While comparing miners here:

Bitmains S3 is basically the competitor to the sp10.

However, I have no doubt that bitmain will come up with a fully rackmountable 4U 1-2kW solution with 0.5W/GH at the wall.
This will in turn be the main competitor to the sp30, and should not require a preorder.

Exciting times, let´s see how it goes.

i don't think there is any comparison really - the S3 is a budget rig and a backwards step (under 500GH/s) suited to altcoin miners and miners with lots of space to host these... going forwards it's more hash-power we are going to need, not less. If this is the way the competition are going, then I don't think Spondoolies have much to be worried about - you need at least 13 S3's to match the hashpower of the SP30. That's all very well if you have massive rackspace and very cheap electric, but yeah, lets see what the competition bring out next. I doubt there will be anything that comes close to what spondoolies can give us.

correction - you need 0 S3 to match the hashpower of the SP30 as the SP30 does not exist yet.

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Quote from: Collider on June 30, 2014, 04:45:34 PM

While comparing miners here:

Bitmains S3 is basically the competitor to the sp10.

However, I have no doubt that bitmain will come up with a fully rackmountable 4U 1-2kW solution with 0.5W/GH at the wall.
This will in turn be the main competitor to the sp30, and should not require a preorder.

Exciting times, let´s see how it goes.

i don't think there is any comparison really - the S3 is a budget rig and a backwards step (under 500GH/s) suited to altcoin miners and miners with lots of space to host these... going forwards it's more hash-power we are going to need, not less. If this is the way the competition are going, then I don't think Spondoolies have much to be worried about - you need at least 13 S3's to match the hashpower of the SP30. That's all very well if you have massive rackspace and very cheap electric, but yeah, lets see what the competition bring out next. I doubt there will be anything that comes close to what spondoolies can give us.

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While comparing miners here:

Bitmains S3 is basically the competitor to the sp10.

However, I have no doubt that bitmain will come up with a fully rackmountable 4U 1-2kW solution with 0.5W/GH at the wall.
This will in turn be the main competitor to the sp30, and should not require a preorder.

Exciting times, let´s see how it goes.

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Quote from: whonesta on June 30, 2014, 11:34:23 AM

9 BTC for 6TH/s in mid-July or 8.4 BTC for 6TH/s in mid-september.. hmm tough one... NOT

Sorry SP30 going to need to dump a few grand before this is a deal.

keep in mind that the S3 is about 0.7W/GH while the SP30 is to be 0.5w/GH. That difference may mean an extra 2-3 months online hashing.

but i agree- the preorder game has failed to pay off time and time again. In-stock mining hardware is the key to success, and I think that spondoolies should package 2 SP10 units inside an SP30 case and sell it as a 2.8TH / 2.5kW unit. The fans would be quieter and it could be produced will all the chips and hardware they have available

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Mining BTC is a continual hamster wheel ... keep investing/upgrading hardware to keep ahead of difficulty ... sell and dump your less efficient miners to pay the way. Not the best business model ... but one that does work at the moment. For how long, I'm not sure, but the several TH/s machines have flourished over the months and the SP30 is going to have quite an impact when it arrives - both in terms of hash rate on the network, and bringing returns for the miners.

Now ... Sponds will ship the 6TH SP30 starting August ... the SP10 is a has-been and is now discontinued. What? I ask myself will they have up their sleeve next in terms of power for the next mining beast they will produce?

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Quote from: Marvell1 on June 30, 2014, 01:52:53 PM

well this is the last time i do a preorder lol
http://www.coinwarz.com/cryptocurrency/?sha256hr=6000.00&sha256p=2800.00&sha256pc=0.1000&sha256c=true&scrypthr=15000.00&scryptp=4800.00&scryptpc=0.1000&scryptc=false&scryptnhr=7500.00&scryptnp=4800.00&scryptnpc=0.1000&scryptnc=false&x11hr=70000.00&x11p=3600.00&x11pc=0.1000&x11c=true&x13hr=6500.00&x13p=400.00&x13pc=0.1000&x13c=false&keccakhr=500.00&keccakp=500.00&keccakpc=0.1000&keccakc=false&quarkhr=5000.00&quarkp=500.00&quarkpc=0.1000&quarkc=false&groestlhr=10.00&groestlp=500.00&groestlpc=0.1000&groestlc=false&e=Coinbase

when the sp30 GB started an single sp30 would generate $160/170 per day
now its down to $100 per day

I'm thinking by august it will be down to $60-70 /per day if we are lucky

who would have though the diff would climb so fast in a month and change.

These units .. May ROI but from where i am standing now I think they will just break even and it will take six months to do it.

don't be so gloomy, bud... BTC went from $560 to 647 in 24-48hr.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on June 30, 2014, 01:52:53 PM

who would have though the diff would climb so fast in a month and change.

Everyone who has ever preordered an asic..

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well this is the last time i do a preorder lol
http://www.coinwarz.com/cryptocurrency/?sha256hr=6000.00&sha256p=2800.00&sha256pc=0.1000&sha256c=true&scrypthr=15000.00&scryptp=4800.00&scryptpc=0.1000&scryptc=false&scryptnhr=7500.00&scryptnp=4800.00&scryptnpc=0.1000&scryptnc=false&x11hr=70000.00&x11p=3600.00&x11pc=0.1000&x11c=true&x13hr=6500.00&x13p=400.00&x13pc=0.1000&x13c=false&keccakhr=500.00&keccakp=500.00&keccakpc=0.1000&keccakc=false&quarkhr=5000.00&quarkp=500.00&quarkpc=0.1000&quarkc=false&groestlhr=10.00&groestlp=500.00&groestlpc=0.1000&groestlc=false&e=Coinbase

when the sp30 GB started an single sp30 would generate $160/170 per day
now its down to $100 per day

I'm thinking by august it will be down to $60-70 /per day if we are lucky

who would have though the diff would climb so fast in a month and change.

These units .. May ROI but from where i am standing now I think they will just break even and it will take six months to do it.

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Quote from: itamidensha on June 30, 2014, 05:59:14 AM

Quote from: RoadStress on June 25, 2014, 01:33:14 AM

Quote from: itamidensha on June 25, 2014, 01:15:16 AM

Quote from: RoadStress on June 25, 2014, 12:45:56 AM

Sure. Let's have a 0.1 BTC bet. You bet on your desired difficulty at the end of June and I win if it's less and you win if it's more.

If the bitcoin difficulty is more than 300 billion at midnight on June 30, 2015 - I win.
Otherwise - you win.
Escrow? winner pays?

EDIT: accidentally a word

So if the difficulty is equal or more than 300 billion you win. If it's less than 300 billion then I win. We have a deal! Winner pays 0.1 BTC to the loser.

I will accept any escrow even if for this low amount I don't think it's needed.

Just for the record. RoadStress never put up his end of the bet. He seems to have fallen off the face of the earth - maybe trying to get a refund on his SP30 pre-order(s). Shocked

That's because I had to leave and didn't have the time to send. You got a PM with the txid for the 0.1 BTC.

Quote from: klondike_bar on June 30, 2014, 07:37:44 AM

It was the weekend - i expect roadstress will back up his bet.
personally, I would guess that difficulty on June 30, 2015 will be about 420 Billion. I think we will hit 300 Billion about 1.5 months earlier

You were correct. I was away for the weekend and yes I think that I may lose this bet. I should have pushed for May 31 2015 as deadline.

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Quote from: Collider on June 30, 2014, 05:13:15 AM

Quote from: xstr8guy on June 30, 2014, 04:54:38 AM

Oh sure, that $1.13 per day will really add up fast. Roll Eyes

It's not worth unplugging your machine for 10 minutes for that.

He isn´t unplugging it, the DC is upgrading their cooling system.
A 4% free performance increase is always nice, don´t you think?

Obviously shipping it to a different location for such a small increase is a bad idea.
Shipping it to the right facility in the first place (assuming smaller than 4% hosting cost difference) would be a good one though.

Thanks, you managed to figure it out without me

It is more like a... challenge? Just can't calm, when I know, there is a possibility to get more speed Grin

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Quote from: Gleb Gamow on June 30, 2014, 12:21:59 PM

Nice! Apologies for seeing right through this ruse.

I can assure you this is no ruse. After losing that many coins I thought I'd never be able to recover, and thanks to Guy I will.

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