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We have a special facility for Bitcoin miners. Its a Tier 1 facility with no ups or diesel backup and we use direct air cooling with PUE of around 1,15.
Density per rack is 15-20kW depending on the design of the miners.

The price is 90 EUR per kW all inclusive, power, cooling and internet.

Seems quite nice for some sp10s.
When i first heard about 90€/kW i thought it would be power cost only, not including space. However, this is an all-inclusive solution.

that is very reasonable indeed.
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Thor Datacenter Iceland (advania)

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We have a special facility for Bitcoin miners. Its a Tier 1 facility with no ups or diesel backup and we use direct air cooling with PUE of around 1,15.
Density per rack is 15-20kW depending on the design of the miners.

The price is 90 EUR per kW all inclusive, power, cooling and internet.

Seems quite nice for some sp10s.
When i first heard about 90€/kW i thought it would be power cost only, not including space. However, this is an all-inclusive solution.

Also, this is 100% renewable, geothermal power.

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In Reykjavik, summer lies between June and August with a peak of 13 degrees Celsius which is mild.
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Got mine setup and hashing away at 1.27 thash. Temp shows 33/74. When I look at ASIC stats most chips are listed as 77 and a bunch showing as 113. Is there something wrong with my hardware?

Got my unit setup and I think that the noise has been downplayed. It is very loud and high pitched and louder than my 21 ants combined. Hope I can get my hash rate up closer to 1.4, getting 1.27 right now.

In ASIC stats 18 chips say 113 and 1 says 119 the rest are all 77. Problem with thermal paste on some ASICS maybe?

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I talked to a DC in Iceland and they gave me a price of 95 EUR per kW per month. That comes out to about the same price.
Last quote i got was 78 €/kw for small customers, ofcourse this only gets cheap if you order multiple racks (ideally a whole DC container, then they can give you all the cooling you want)

Let's start working some details with them and then let's start a Group Buy for hosting. I am sure that there are a lot of small miners in Europe who would love to colocate their rigs if they will have nice price/kw.

Excellent! Strength in numbers. I like it

(Let me know if you need help)

Thank you for the support!

Collider how would you feel contacting the DC again and start discussing some terms?

@DevonMiner my August SP30 units will be hosted in the WA DC. Don't like it? Or just want a DC that is closer to home?

@bobsag3 keep us updated while we wait for some prices
I will contact all the DCs in Iceland now (atleast all the ones i know of).
(I went to sleep yesterday Wink )

They typically have several electricity lines (or are connected to a ring) so backup power comes from the Iceland power grid, too, all electricity is renewable (hydrothermal).
DCs pay 3-4ct / kwh, price is guaranteed for 10 years.

My guess would be, Tier2 redundancy is enough? (as we aren´t trying to host system crytical servers....)

I just wrote the emails, asking for both a 2 rack and 20 rack high density solution above 20kw, so we should be able to get some rough estimates for bulk power prices.
I also specifically asked how low cold aisle temperatures they would be able to achieve.

If there are additional questions, feel free to state your ideas here (or pm me, i dont know how much spondoolies likes this thread to be cluttered with hosting information)

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Does 48 hour 5% special offer add up to 10% discount with a proof of purchase from other manufacturers? 15% altogether?

Not anymore. That 10% was mainly for the GB.

bobsag3 has the right idea really, build your own, forget about all that raised floor, hot/cold aisles, 47U APC racks, redundant diesel generators etc etc. This bitcoin stuff is short term. You just need a well ventilated warehouse with decent aircon and flow. Get industrial shelving to put the miners on and make sure you have enough electricity to keep it going.
Exactly. You not only don't need uninterruptible power, you'll be better of buying cheap, explicitly interruptible power from the utility company using special industrial/agricultural/pumping tariffs. I even dare to say that air-conditioning is an overkill, good airflow (which for SP10 means getting rid of the cases) and maybe cheap, evaporative cooling will be good enough. Get a small UPS to have a continuous network connection just for the local switches/routers and security cameras.

Or just admit to yourself that you've got your Bitcoin mining hardware as a status symbol.


Let's get an Iceland colocation company to have a special room for bitcoin mining with these attributes. Nothing fancy. Power and good airflow is all that we need.

We have a large swamp cooler + passive/active exhausts installed, gives us more than enough cooling capacity for even the hottest days. My prices aint bad either, and this machines are lonely Smiley
What are your rates? I have to host or sell this thing, the noise is f'ing ridiculous! Big time buyers remorse Sad
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Personal text my ass....
Can the SP10 be setup on its side when using no rack? Of course I would need something to make sure it wouldn't fall over, but that may be the best way to keep it cooler.
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Does 48 hour 5% special offer add up to 10% discount with a proof of purchase from other manufacturers? 15% altogether?

Not anymore. That 10% was mainly for the GB.

bobsag3 has the right idea really, build your own, forget about all that raised floor, hot/cold aisles, 47U APC racks, redundant diesel generators etc etc. This bitcoin stuff is short term. You just need a well ventilated warehouse with decent aircon and flow. Get industrial shelving to put the miners on and make sure you have enough electricity to keep it going.
Exactly. You not only don't need uninterruptible power, you'll be better of buying cheap, explicitly interruptible power from the utility company using special industrial/agricultural/pumping tariffs. I even dare to say that air-conditioning is an overkill, good airflow (which for SP10 means getting rid of the cases) and maybe cheap, evaporative cooling will be good enough. Get a small UPS to have a continuous network connection just for the local switches/routers and security cameras.

Or just admit to yourself that you've got your Bitcoin mining hardware as a status symbol.


Let's get an Iceland colocation company to have a special room for bitcoin mining with these attributes. Nothing fancy. Power and good airflow is all that we need.

We have a large swamp cooler + passive/active exhausts installed, gives us more than enough cooling capacity for even the hottest days. My prices aint bad either, and this machines are lonely Smiley
legendary
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Does 48 hour 5% special offer add up to 10% discount with a proof of purchase from other manufacturers? 15% altogether?

Not anymore. That 10% was mainly for the GB.

bobsag3 has the right idea really, build your own, forget about all that raised floor, hot/cold aisles, 47U APC racks, redundant diesel generators etc etc. This bitcoin stuff is short term. You just need a well ventilated warehouse with decent aircon and flow. Get industrial shelving to put the miners on and make sure you have enough electricity to keep it going.
Exactly. You not only don't need uninterruptible power, you'll be better of buying cheap, explicitly interruptible power from the utility company using special industrial/agricultural/pumping tariffs. I even dare to say that air-conditioning is an overkill, good airflow (which for SP10 means getting rid of the cases) and maybe cheap, evaporative cooling will be good enough. Get a small UPS to have a continuous network connection just for the local switches/routers and security cameras.

Or just admit to yourself that you've got your Bitcoin mining hardware as a status symbol.


Let's get an Iceland colocation company to have a special room for bitcoin mining with these attributes. Nothing fancy. Power and good airflow is all that we need.
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which for SP10 means getting rid of the cases
Simply removing the case will destroy the airflow completely.
This type of argument is why plastic bags in the USA had the following warning: To avoid danger of suffocation, keep this plastic bag away from babies and children. The plastic bag could block nose and mouth and prevent breathing. This bag is not a toy.

Just take away the external metal casing. Flip the machine on its side. Borrow a good centrifugal "air mover" from a neighborhood water damage repair contractor and some baffling that they use to direct the air. Also borrow a contact-less thermometer to understand the why the SP10 casing is badly designed for cooling and creates unnecessary temperature gradients. I don't know if Spondoolies' firmware has a "seized fan" shutdown programmed in, so you'll have to experiment with which fans can be removed.

The alternative is just to dress in your best cold weather clothes and photograph yourself near your Spondoolies' machines. You'll have a nice memento.

I haven't used Spondoolies' hardware personally, but I do have relevant experience of restarting bankrupt batch data processing facilities filled out with racks of 1U and 2U hardware from Dell and Sun. It had the same symptoms: the bottom was getting hot and the intake air had to be really cool. Neither Dell nor Sun field service technicians were giving us any trouble after seeing our temporary facility w.r.t. warranties and service contracts. We've actually lowered the rate of faults due to seized fans and accumulation of dust and debris. Only hard drive failures had increased.

Not to mention its a waste of time, effort, money and a potential warranty liability.

No just stick to getting a big warehouse as cool as possible and getting the hot air out of the building as fast as you can.
I have to partially agree with the above. It does take some effort from skilled technicians. I'm not really familiar with the money saved in my case, it reduced the cost somewhere between 2 and 4 times.

Same about the warehouse, but I wouldn't call it "big" but "tall" and "thick walled". You may be able to operate mostly with natural convection and thermal inertia from the daily temperature oscillations.


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which for SP10 means getting rid of the cases
Simply removing the case will destroy the airflow completely.
This type of argument is why plastic bags in the USA had the following warning: To avoid danger of suffocation, keep this plastic bag away from babies and children. The plastic bag could block nose and mouth and prevent breathing. This bag is not a toy.

Just take away the external metal casing. Flip the machine on its side. Borrow a good centrifugal "air mover" from a neighborhood water damage repair contractor and some baffling that they use to direct the air. Also borrow a contact-less thermometer to understand the why the SP10 casing is badly designed for cooling and creates unnecessary temperature gradients. I don't know if Spondoolies' firmware has a "seized fan" shutdown programmed in, so you'll have to experiment with which fans can be removed.

The alternative is just to dress in your best cold weather clothes and photograph yourself near your Spondoolies' machines. You'll have a nice memento.

I haven't used Spondoolies' hardware personally, but I do have relevant experience of restarting bankrupt batch data processing facilities filled out with racks of 1U and 2U hardware from Dell and Sun. It had the same symptoms: the bottom was getting hot and the intake air had to be really cool. Neither Dell nor Sun field service technicians were giving us any trouble after seeing our temporary facility w.r.t. warranties and service contracts. We've actually lowered the rate of faults due to seized fans and accumulation of dust and debris. Only hard drive failures had increased.

Not to mention its a waste of time, effort, money and a potential warranty liability.

No just stick to getting a big warehouse as cool as possible and getting the hot air out of the building as fast as you can.
I have to partially agree with the above. It does take some effort from skilled technicians. I'm not really familiar with the money saved in my case, it reduced the cost somewhere between 2 and 4 times.

Same about the warehouse, but I wouldn't call it "big" but "tall" and "thick walled". You may be able to operate mostly with natural convection and thermal inertia from the daily temperature oscillations.
legendary
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which for SP10 means getting rid of the cases
Simply removing the case will destroy the airflow completely.

Not to mention its a waste of time, effort, money and a potential warranty liability.

No just stick to getting a big warehouse as cool as possible and getting the hot air out of the building as fast as you can.
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which for SP10 means getting rid of the cases
Simply removing the case will destroy the airflow completely.
legendary
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bobsag3 has the right idea really, build your own, forget about all that raised floor, hot/cold aisles, 47U APC racks, redundant diesel generators etc etc. This bitcoin stuff is short term. You just need a well ventilated warehouse with decent aircon and flow. Get industrial shelving to put the miners on and make sure you have enough electricity to keep it going.
Exactly. You not only don't need uninterruptible power, you'll be better of buying cheap, explicitly interruptible power from the utility company using special industrial/agricultural/pumping tariffs. I even dare to say that air-conditioning is an overkill, good airflow (which for SP10 means getting rid of the cases) and maybe cheap, evaporative cooling will be good enough. Get a small UPS to have a continuous network connection just for the local switches/routers and security cameras.

Or just admit to yourself that you've got your Bitcoin mining hardware as a status symbol.
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I talked to a DC in Iceland and they gave me a price of 95 EUR per kW per month. That comes out to about the same price.
Last quote i got was 78 €/kw for small customers, ofcourse this only gets cheap if you order multiple racks (ideally a whole DC container, then they can give you all the cooling you want)

Let's start working some details with them and then let's start a Group Buy for hosting. I am sure that there are a lot of small miners in Europe who would love to colocate their rigs if they will have nice price/kw.

Excellent! Strength in numbers. I like it

(Let me know if you need help)

Thank you for the support!

Collider how would you feel contacting the DC again and start discussing some terms?

@DevonMiner my August SP30 units will be hosted in the WA DC. Don't like it? Or just want a DC that is closer to home?

@bobsag3 keep us updated while we wait for some prices

Its tricky I've been looking for colo for around 6 months, and there are stirrings of interest.

bobsag3 has the right idea really, build your own, forget about all that raised floor, hot/cold aisles, 47U APC racks, redundant diesel generators etc etc. This bitcoin stuff is short term. You just need a well ventilated warehouse with decent aircon and flow. Get industrial shelving to put the miners on and make sure you have enough electricity to keep it going.

From humble beginnings they have come a long way.
Then:
Now:

+1. colocation is expensive as hell. who cares if bitcoin miners lose power or ethernet for a minute here and there - pretty much every single ASIC is capable of rebooting/reconnecting and theres only a few minutes of lost hashrate - compared to the massive premiums of diesel generators and massive battery banks.

how are people planning to handle summertime in these small DIY warehourses? AC adds about 30% to your power (IIRC?), so ideally outside airflow would be cheaper but extremely limited when the temperatures outside get above 25 C (~80F)
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Does 48 hour 5% special offer add up to 10% discount with a proof of purchase from other manufacturers? 15% altogether?
legendary
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I talked to a DC in Iceland and they gave me a price of 95 EUR per kW per month. That comes out to about the same price.
Last quote i got was 78 €/kw for small customers, ofcourse this only gets cheap if you order multiple racks (ideally a whole DC container, then they can give you all the cooling you want)

Let's start working some details with them and then let's start a Group Buy for hosting. I am sure that there are a lot of small miners in Europe who would love to colocate their rigs if they will have nice price/kw.

Excellent! Strength in numbers. I like it

(Let me know if you need help)

Thank you for the support!

Collider how would you feel contacting the DC again and start discussing some terms?

@DevonMiner my August SP30 units will be hosted in the WA DC. Don't like it? Or just want a DC that is closer to home?

@bobsag3 keep us updated while we wait for some prices

Its tricky I've been looking for colo for around 6 months, and there are stirrings of interest.

bobsag3 has the right idea really, build your own, forget about all that raised floor, hot/cold aisles, 47U APC racks, redundant diesel generators etc etc. This bitcoin stuff is short term. You just need a well ventilated warehouse with decent aircon and flow. Get industrial shelving to put the miners on and make sure you have enough electricity to keep it going.

From humble beginnings they have come a long way.
Then:
Now:
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[quote auaftRoadStress link=topic=521520.msg6903223#msg6903223 date=1400885431]
Got mine setup and hashing away at 1.27 thash. Temp shows 33/74. When I look at ASIC stats most chips are listed as 77 and a bunch showing as 113. Is there something wrong with my hardware?

If you just started it give it some time to ramp to the full speed. Upgraded to the latest firmware? Also are you running it at normal or at turbo settings?

The intake temperature seems a bit high. You having it at your place or you have it hosted?
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That was after an hour. Pretty sure I have the latest firmware, dont want to run the beta one. Today was our first hot day and it hit 30.5C outside. Ill see how things go overnight when it cools off. Was hoping not to have to build a box around them with AC but looking like the best option now. Its usually not that hot here, passive cooling had been working good when the ambient temp was lower.
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Got mine setup and hashing away at 1.27 thash. Temp shows 33/74. When I look at ASIC stats most chips are listed as 77 and a bunch showing as 113. Is there something wrong with my hardware?

If you just started it give it some time to ramp to the full speed. Upgraded to the latest firmware? Also are you running it at normal or at turbo settings?

The intake temperature seems a bit high. You having it at your place or you have it hosted?
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Got mine setup and hashing away at 1.27 thash. Temp shows 33/74. When I look at ASIC stats most chips are listed as 77 and a bunch showing as 113. Is there something wrong with my hardware?
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