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Quote from: coins101 on May 04, 2015, 05:05:45 AM

If we are going to do this service, even if its on trial for 3, 6, 12, 600 months, I guess it should have a project name, like all big and important projects Wink

Project Atlas, anyone?

Grin

lol, and then maybe Kristov Atlas can be our speaksperson?

But wait, there is an important distinction: Atlas had to carry the world on his shoulders as a punishment,
but we are doing it voluntarily. So...

That's why I start all projects with "spread the .... something"
Spread some love once in a while, why not...

Spread the nodes.

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If we are going to do this service, even if its on trial for 3, 6, 12, 600 months, I guess it should have a project name, like all big and important projects Wink

Project Atlas, anyone?

Grin

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Quote from: entropycoin on May 03, 2015, 02:31:18 PM

I've mulled it over for a day and I'm now totally on board and excited at the prospect of running full bitcoin nodes as spread's first service

I like the approach as well.

I think the dev already said it better than me. bitcoin is important for all alts. If it fails alts fail.

this is a good first service for spreadcoin and bitcoin. it also sounds like it is easier and quicker to deploy than any other service that has been discussed.

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Quote from: e1ghtSpace on May 03, 2015, 04:11:11 PM

Quote from: georgem on May 03, 2015, 10:30:40 AM

Quote from: defunctec on May 03, 2015, 09:34:32 AM

I like the ideas that are jumping about, no shortage around here!

Can we just release a working SN network first, then add these extra layers as we go?

Absolutely, it's just that we can't have servicenodes without atleast 1 service running on them, or else we can't have scores/kicking etc....

And all points to this: The first service is going to be the running / supervision of a full bitcoin node.

Stay tuned.

Are they going to be mixing coins, or no?

Hold that thought for another week, then post a bump to remind us to discuss it again!

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Quote from: georgem on May 03, 2015, 10:30:40 AM

Quote from: defunctec on May 03, 2015, 09:34:32 AM

I like the ideas that are jumping about, no shortage around here!

Can we just release a working SN network first, then add these extra layers as we go?

Absolutely, it's just that we can't have servicenodes without atleast 1 service running on them, or else we can't have scores/kicking etc....

And all points to this: The first service is going to be the running / supervision of a full bitcoin node.

Stay tuned.

Are they going to be mixing coins, or no?

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I've mulled it over for a day and I'm now totally on board and excited at the prospect of running full bitcoin nodes as spread's first service

coins101

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I thought I had taken an image of the bitcoin nodes map and numbers last year

Quote from: coins101 on July 27, 2014, 07:57:25 AM

Bitcoin Nodes

...

In 9-10 months, the downward trend is pretty big

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Quote from: AnotherNode on May 03, 2015, 11:11:13 AM

links on https://chainz.cryptoid.info/spr/#!crypto looks like it needs an official request to get it updated.

oh, this reminds me...
I need to tell coinmarketcap to update both the new official website and ANN thread:

http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/spreadcoin/

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links on https://chainz.cryptoid.info/spr/#!crypto looks like it needs an official request to get it updated.

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Quote from: defunctec on May 03, 2015, 09:34:32 AM

I like the ideas that are jumping about, no shortage around here!

Can we just release a working SN network first, then add these extra layers as we go?

Absolutely, it's just that we can't have servicenodes without atleast 1 service running on them, or else we can't have scores/kicking etc....

And all points to this: The first service is going to be the running / supervision of a full bitcoin node.

Stay tuned.

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Quote from: defunctec on May 03, 2015, 09:34:32 AM

Quote from: georgem on May 03, 2015, 08:53:40 AM

Quote from: GilAlexander on May 03, 2015, 08:47:41 AM

Quote from: georgem on May 03, 2015, 07:31:45 AM

Quote from: GilAlexander on May 03, 2015, 06:34:26 AM

Quote from: e1ghtSpace on May 03, 2015, 05:52:02 AM

I personally hate the idea of having to run a bitcoin full node. I really don't want to download 20GB.

40GB ATM.

33Gb

https://blockchain.info/de/charts/blocks-size

38, I have synced wallet.

Bitcoin dev said about pruning some time ago: https://twitter.com/pwuille/status/591527686117466113 But full blockchain is still needed for first-time syncing.

Interesting.
I think I will start a full node right now myself.
Haven't done that in a while.

I like the ideas that are jumping about, no shortage around here!

Can we just release a working SN network first, then add these extra layers as we go?

Sounds to me like thats whats going on.

Georgem said he was going to have SNs up by the end of the month, with an easy to deploy service to get things going.

btw love the idea of starting with bitcoin nodes. someone pm when the bitcoin foundation posts in the thread offering some financial support.

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Quote from: georgem on May 03, 2015, 08:53:40 AM

Quote from: GilAlexander on May 03, 2015, 08:47:41 AM

Quote from: georgem on May 03, 2015, 07:31:45 AM

Quote from: GilAlexander on May 03, 2015, 06:34:26 AM

Quote from: e1ghtSpace on May 03, 2015, 05:52:02 AM

I personally hate the idea of having to run a bitcoin full node. I really don't want to download 20GB.

40GB ATM.

33Gb

https://blockchain.info/de/charts/blocks-size

38, I have synced wallet.

Bitcoin dev said about pruning some time ago: https://twitter.com/pwuille/status/591527686117466113 But full blockchain is still needed for first-time syncing.

Interesting.
I think I will start a full node right now myself.
Haven't done that in a while.

I like the ideas that are jumping about, no shortage around here!

Can we just release a working SN network first, then add these extra layers as we go?

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Quote from: GilAlexander on May 03, 2015, 08:47:41 AM

Quote from: georgem on May 03, 2015, 07:31:45 AM

Quote from: GilAlexander on May 03, 2015, 06:34:26 AM

Quote from: e1ghtSpace on May 03, 2015, 05:52:02 AM

I personally hate the idea of having to run a bitcoin full node. I really don't want to download 20GB.

40GB ATM.

33Gb

https://blockchain.info/de/charts/blocks-size

38, I have synced wallet.

Bitcoin dev said about pruning some time ago: https://twitter.com/pwuille/status/591527686117466113 But full blockchain is still needed for first-time syncing.

Interesting.
I think I will start a full node right now myself.
Haven't done that in a while.

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Quote from: georgem on May 03, 2015, 07:31:45 AM

Quote from: GilAlexander on May 03, 2015, 06:34:26 AM

Quote from: e1ghtSpace on May 03, 2015, 05:52:02 AM

I personally hate the idea of having to run a bitcoin full node. I really don't want to download 20GB.

40GB ATM.

33Gb

https://blockchain.info/de/charts/blocks-size

38, I have synced wallet.

Bitcoin dev said about pruning some time ago: https://twitter.com/pwuille/status/591527686117466113 But full blockchain is still needed for first-time syncing.

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I'm not sure buying domains is that big of an issue if we have one or two already. Domains are for information only, in a decentralized network.

If not, maybe:

SpreadBitcoinNodes.com

SpreadBitcoinNetwork.com

Grin

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Quote from: coins101 on May 03, 2015, 07:37:18 AM

If SPR can support 10% - 30% of the Bitcoin network, that would be big news. It would also be big news on a regular basis.

That's basically a very productive marketing budget.

coinsupply/2880 is also the amount of bitcoin nodes we can then provide.

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Quote from: CHAOSiTEC on May 03, 2015, 04:09:32 AM

Quote from: coins101 on May 02, 2015, 11:44:51 PM

This proposal is for servicenode operators to host full bitcoin nodes. Bitcoin holders wouldn't care much about the impact on bitcoin, other than those in the know recognizing that the security and stability of the bitcoin network is being supported by an altcoin.

and that is something that creates value!

Absolutely.

And although I am a big fan of fierce competition, I do love the fact that we are steping outside this game for a moment,
by creating something that would help other coins too for a change. Cheesy

Most other coins are trying to outrun competition (sometimes even by going closed source for a while Wink

because they hate open source in that moment Grin

),
but in our case, if we make this work, when other people then copy our code, it would only help bitcoin (or other coins) even more?

Wasn't there a name in circulation a few months/weeks ago?

Spreadnodes?

Well, that's what spreadnodes do in principle: spread crypto nodes.

We can call this first project "Spread the Nodes".

BTW, spreadnodes.com/net/org is free if someone from the community wants to grab them.

(hurry)

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Quote from: e1ghtSpace on May 03, 2015, 05:52:02 AM

I personally hate the idea of having to run a bitcoin full node. I really don't want to download 20GB. Please don't implement this idea. I don't see how a masternode can verify the servicenode's chain anyway. They can always steal the information from a website.

I hear you.

But, proving to the network that a server is running a service is one of the most elementary things we have to know how to do if we want to proceed with spreadcoin's service apps.

So running a "24/7 supervised" bitcoin node sounds like a perfect contender for this test we need to do.

Sounds like the most perfect "first app"...

This doesn't mean it's the last, or the most important.
People can decide to not run this service and receive a small penalty depending on how many additional services they keep running.

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Quote from: georgem on May 03, 2015, 07:29:29 AM

Quote from: coins101 on May 03, 2015, 06:13:30 AM

If we can come up with a workable model, I think we will attract some help from Bitcoin devs to help push this forward, possibly some of the bitcoin core devs now at the MIT Labs - let them work on making it work.

Like any service running on servicenodes, if after 3 or 6 months it wasn't adding any value to the network, then we can drop the service.

What are the costs of a good VPS with unlimited data? Providers and plans here http://lowendbox.com/

The potential risk vs. reward makes a trial worth a go, IMO.

Definitely,

I was never a fan on those 5-10$ per month servers... sure 10 years ago, but since I want my servers to do some real heavylifting I can't expect them to be that cheap.

E.g. ATM I run two servers with 24 GB ram each, and 1 Terabyte of space. (each has a 2x2Ghz CPU), and I pay about 60$ for each of them each month.

I did a test a few months ago, about how many daemons I could run successfully on such a machine, and I was very well able to run 20 daemons of 20 different coins simultaneously.

If you add more you then start running into problems.

But I think a single bitcoin daemon shouldn't eat away more then 10% of the ressources of such a machine, and even run on a low end server.

If SPR can support 10% - 30% of the Bitcoin network, that would be big news. It would also be big news on a regular basis.

That's basically a very productive marketing budget.

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Quote from: CHAOSiTEC on May 03, 2015, 07:27:21 AM

it should be possible, if it was set as a weighted value so if we set the value of hosting a full node to 40% and someone does not want to host, then their earnings would be 40% less, i think it should be possible, also if we build an api on top of the service nodes, it would be easier to add in services... i know it requires foot work, but the end result would be the better

I'd rather make it simple for now (we can always make it more complex in the future),
and make people NEED to run every newly introduced service on their servers or recieve a penalty (lower payment) for every service they deliberately ommit.

This would have two benefits:

1) It would encourage people to move away from those low end servers that will not be of much use to our service network anyway.

2) It would guarantee that any new service has automatically a strong network behind it, and not just a handful of nodes that decide to run it.

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