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Frigga77

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Quote from: Mr. Spread on August 31, 2014, 05:03:08 AM

I'm feeling really sorry for all this situation.

There will be relaunch.

1. From the launch there will be some new feature that I originally wanted to implement as a hardfork and there probably will be no hardforks after the launch. This will take some time to implement, it takes longer than I originally thought.
2. There was small instamine at the launch, with the new launch there will be low reward for the first blocks to counter that.
3. There will be at least 24 hours between announcement and actual launch. If you will check this thread at least one per day you will not miss it.
4. This time I will back up my wallet like hell, this situation will not happen again.

Quote from: BITDV on August 31, 2014, 02:17:48 AM

maybe a premine to give out to the people that have already been mining as a biut of a compensation , like a swap or something to that effect 2 for 1 or something they send to a address send to new wallet new coins and burn old wallet , just thiunking of things as people have been mining away for a bit now , but a 2 for 1 i think is good and could be dont easily !!

I think that any premine is bad. But the ones who mined this coin will probably be the first miners to mine after relaunch so they still get their own piece of the pie. Probably there will be more miners after relaunch so everyone (including me) will get less, but I think this will be more fair.

I am ok with the relaunch, really think it is best, but hoping a little bit that the relaunch won't be between September 4 and September 11, because I am on holidays then and it would be a pity if I could not mine from the start (have mined a substantial amount up till today). Really looking forward to the new feature also!

Mr. Spread

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I'm feeling really sorry for all this situation.

There will be relaunch.

1. From the launch there will be some new feature that I originally wanted to implement as a hardfork and there probably will be no hardforks after the launch. This will take some time to implement, it takes longer than I originally thought.
2. There was small instamine at the launch, with the new launch there will be low reward for the first blocks to counter that.
3. There will be at least 24 hours between announcement and actual launch. If you will check this thread at least one per day you will not miss it.
4. This time I will back up my wallet like hell, this situation will not happen again.

Quote from: BITDV on August 31, 2014, 02:17:48 AM

maybe a premine to give out to the people that have already been mining as a biut of a compensation , like a swap or something to that effect 2 for 1 or something they send to a address send to new wallet new coins and burn old wallet , just thiunking of things as people have been mining away for a bit now , but a 2 for 1 i think is good and could be dont easily !!

I think that any premine is bad. But the ones who mined this coin will probably be the first miners to mine after relaunch so they still get their own piece of the pie. Probably there will be more miners after relaunch so everyone (including me) will get less, but I think this will be more fair.

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Quote from: Mr. Spread on August 30, 2014, 12:41:12 PM

Quote from: girino on August 29, 2014, 07:30:20 AM

Quote from: Mr. Spread on August 29, 2014, 01:18:51 AM

I think I found a way to recover my spreadcoins but you may not like it.

As I lost my wallet.dat I don't know exactly what blocks I mined and exactly how many coins I had.
I can approximately determine block before which my lost coins are situated. Everyone who have mined coins before this block will send them to him/herself (this can be made automatic). This will mean that this coins are not mine. Then, using some hack and releasing a new client I can send myself amount of the rest coins (or maybe less, say 80%).

This rasises two concerns:
1. What if someone will forgot to send coins to him/herself? These coins will still be spendable so he/she will not lost them. This raises the second concern:
2. What if I am a scammer and want just to double my coins, keeping old ones and getting new ones? The only way to prevent this that I see is to limit the percentage of presumably lost coins that can be spend but this is not trivial.

What do you think about such a plan? Is it acceptable in you opinion?

P.S. This way there is no need for anyone to donate coins to me.

This would be a hell of a lot of work for everyone, and would also lower the credibility of the coin and kill it for good. I stick with the donations. As I said, i can setup a pool and have like 10% of the coins mined donated to you. Can you estimate how much was lost? I think knowing that amount is essential to making the decision.

Yeah, this was bad idea. I was mining from the beginning on several PCs, there were about 80k coins.

I have chatted on IRC with you in private and that and believe you to be a honest and straight up person , thats why I offerwd to help , what you have here is a awesome coin and great idea , I dont have a problem with donating at all , but in the best for the coin , a relaunch would be the best for all concerned , and maybe at the features you want at the launch , maybe a premine to give out to the people that have already been mining as a biut of a compensation , like a swap or something to that effect 2 for 1 or something they send to a address send to new wallet new coins and burn old wallet , just thiunking of things as people have been mining away for a bit now , but a 2 for 1 i think is good and could be dont easily !!

Frigga77

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So ... what's the plan?

Just launch a new coin IMO Tongue

there wasn't *that* many mined (speaking as someone who had thousands).

I have to agree with that, although I mined a lot, but I cannot see a way to change the blockchain with some premine or donate coins that will not raise questions afterwards. So might be best to do a relaunch!

Mr. Spread

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Quote from: girino on August 29, 2014, 07:30:20 AM

Quote from: Mr. Spread on August 29, 2014, 01:18:51 AM

I think I found a way to recover my spreadcoins but you may not like it.

As I lost my wallet.dat I don't know exactly what blocks I mined and exactly how many coins I had.
I can approximately determine block before which my lost coins are situated. Everyone who have mined coins before this block will send them to him/herself (this can be made automatic). This will mean that this coins are not mine. Then, using some hack and releasing a new client I can send myself amount of the rest coins (or maybe less, say 80%).

This rasises two concerns:
1. What if someone will forgot to send coins to him/herself? These coins will still be spendable so he/she will not lost them. This raises the second concern:
2. What if I am a scammer and want just to double my coins, keeping old ones and getting new ones? The only way to prevent this that I see is to limit the percentage of presumably lost coins that can be spend but this is not trivial.

What do you think about such a plan? Is it acceptable in you opinion?

P.S. This way there is no need for anyone to donate coins to me.

This would be a hell of a lot of work for everyone, and would also lower the credibility of the coin and kill it for good. I stick with the donations. As I said, i can setup a pool and have like 10% of the coins mined donated to you. Can you estimate how much was lost? I think knowing that amount is essential to making the decision.

Yeah, this was bad idea. I was mining from the beginning on several PCs, there were about 80k coins.

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Quote from: A-tM on August 27, 2014, 03:54:11 AM

Quote from: zeca pagodinho on August 26, 2014, 08:23:09 AM

What did you think?

Maybe I like the second one (the wooden) better.
Have you tried different shapes of the S letter sign?
I like the overall style, but I would prefer another shape of the letter.

Regards,
Andy

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Quote from: Mr. Spread on August 29, 2014, 01:18:51 AM

I think I found a way to recover my spreadcoins but you may not like it.

As I lost my wallet.dat I don't know exactly what blocks I mined and exactly how many coins I had.
I can approximately determine block before which my lost coins are situated. Everyone who have mined coins before this block will send them to him/herself (this can be made automatic). This will mean that this coins are not mine. Then, using some hack and releasing a new client I can send myself amount of the rest coins (or maybe less, say 80%).

This rasises two concerns:
1. What if someone will forgot to send coins to him/herself? These coins will still be spendable so he/she will not lost them. This raises the second concern:
2. What if I am a scammer and want just to double my coins, keeping old ones and getting new ones? The only way to prevent this that I see is to limit the percentage of presumably lost coins that can be spend but this is not trivial.

What do you think about such a plan? Is it acceptable in you opinion?

P.S. This way there is no need for anyone to donate coins to me.

This would be a hell of a lot of work for everyone, and would also lower the credibility of the coin and kill it for good. I stick with the donations. As I said, i can setup a pool and have like 10% of the coins mined donated to you. Can you estimate how much was lost? I think knowing that amount is essential to making the decision.

zeca pagodinho

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Quote from: Mr. Spread on August 29, 2014, 01:18:51 AM

I think I found a way to recover my spreadcoins but you may not like it.

As I lost my wallet.dat I don't know exactly what blocks I mined and exactly how many coins I had.
I can approximately determine block before which my lost coins are situated. Everyone who have mined coins before this block will send them to him/herself (this can be made automatic). This will mean that this coins are not mine. Then, using some hack and releasing a new client I can send myself amount of the rest coins (or maybe less, say 80%).

This rasises two concerns:
1. What if someone will forgot to send coins to him/herself? These coins will still be spendable so he/she will not lost them. This raises the second concern:
2. What if I am a scammer and want just to double my coins, keeping old ones and getting new ones? The only way to prevent this that I see is to limit the percentage of presumably lost coins that can be spend but this is not trivial.

What do you think about such a plan? Is it acceptable in you opinion?

P.S. This way there is no need for anyone to donate coins to me.

Suggest the introduction of a tithe by block the% will go to an wallet under the control of dev.
Admittedly the developer receive for their work.

Frigga77

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Quote from: A-tM on August 29, 2014, 01:58:08 AM

Quote from: Mr. Spread on August 29, 2014, 01:18:51 AM

I think I found a way to recover my spreadcoins but you may not like it.

As I lost my wallet.dat I don't know exactly what blocks I mined and exactly how many coins I had.
I can approximately determine block before which my lost coins are situated. Everyone who have mined coins before this block will send them to him/herself (this can be made automatic). This will mean that this coins are not mine. Then, using some hack and releasing a new client I can send myself amount of the rest coins (or maybe less, say 80%).

This rasises two concerns:
1. What if someone will forgot to send coins to him/herself? These coins will still be spendable so he/she will not lost them. This raises the second concern:
2. What if I am a scammer and want just to double my coins, keeping old ones and getting new ones? The only way to prevent this that I see is to limit the percentage of presumably lost coins that can be spend but this is not trivial.

What do you think about such a plan? Is it acceptable in you opinion?

P.S. This way there is no need for anyone to donate coins to me.

I do not know how you can acchieve this, but it seems like tampering the blockchain.
This method I would use only as last resort, because it lowers credibility of the developer/coin.
What if such developer will decide to make something similair later?
Consensus is not the best tool to decide, as there still may be minority, or significant amount of users which will be harm with such decision.
Maybe these are the reasons why this attitude is not considered the best.

But now the blockchain is really young, and there are not financial operations, just mining, so perhaps we can excuse it.
But, what solution is the smallest evil, depends on the amount of the coins owned by the developer, or, the ratio to the amount of all existing coins. If developer holds very significant amount, maybe around a half, then another solution - the donations - may not be feasible. But if the amount is say one tenth or maybe one fifth of all mined coins, then I think the solution by donations is much cleaner.

I am willing to donate one fourth of mine coins. I have mined it with all my CPU power accessible for more days, when my hashpower was significant compared to the network hashrate. So the donation is significant.

Regards,

Andy

I think I could live with a hard fork in which a block with a certain big amount will be allocated to the Dev. if all miners agree at this point, it would be a good solution. I am still wanting to donate also, if necessary and no premine will be done. Or, maybe we start all over again, at block zero but that would be a pity for all the mining, but that is still another (maybe not so nice) solution.

edit: It will still be nice before deciding which way to go if you could also tell us a little bit more about the future development plans.

A-tM

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Quote from: Mr. Spread on August 29, 2014, 01:18:51 AM

I think I found a way to recover my spreadcoins but you may not like it.

As I lost my wallet.dat I don't know exactly what blocks I mined and exactly how many coins I had.
I can approximately determine block before which my lost coins are situated. Everyone who have mined coins before this block will send them to him/herself (this can be made automatic). This will mean that this coins are not mine. Then, using some hack and releasing a new client I can send myself amount of the rest coins (or maybe less, say 80%).

This rasises two concerns:
1. What if someone will forgot to send coins to him/herself? These coins will still be spendable so he/she will not lost them. This raises the second concern:
2. What if I am a scammer and want just to double my coins, keeping old ones and getting new ones? The only way to prevent this that I see is to limit the percentage of presumably lost coins that can be spend but this is not trivial.

What do you think about such a plan? Is it acceptable in you opinion?

P.S. This way there is no need for anyone to donate coins to me.

I do not know how you can acchieve this, but it seems like tampering the blockchain.
This method I would use only as last resort, because it lowers credibility of the developer/coin.
What if such developer will decide to make something similair later?
Consensus is not the best tool to decide, as there still may be minority, or significant amount of users which will be harm with such decision.
Maybe these are the reasons why this attitude is not considered the best.

But now the blockchain is really young, and there are not financial operations, just mining, so perhaps we can excuse it.
But, what solution is the smallest evil, depends on the amount of the coins owned by the developer, or, the ratio to the amount of all existing coins. If developer holds very significant amount, maybe around a half, then another solution - the donations - may not be feasible. But if the amount is say one tenth or maybe one fifth of all mined coins, then I think the solution by donations is much cleaner.

I am willing to donate one fourth of mine coins. I have mined it with all my CPU power accessible for more days, when my hashpower was significant compared to the network hashrate. So the donation is significant.

Regards,

Andy

Mr. Spread

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I think I found a way to recover my spreadcoins but you may not like it.

As I lost my wallet.dat I don't know exactly what blocks I mined and exactly how many coins I had.
I can approximately determine block before which my lost coins are situated. Everyone who have mined coins before this block will send them to him/herself (this can be made automatic). This will mean that this coins are not mine. Then, using some hack and releasing a new client I can send myself amount of the rest coins (or maybe less, say 80%).

This rasises two concerns:
1. What if someone will forgot to send coins to him/herself? These coins will still be spendable so he/she will not lost them. This raises the second concern:
2. What if I am a scammer and want just to double my coins, keeping old ones and getting new ones? The only way to prevent this that I see is to limit the percentage of presumably lost coins that can be spend but this is not trivial.

What do you think about such a plan? Is it acceptable in you opinion?

P.S. This way there is no need for anyone to donate coins to me.

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Quote from: Mr. Spread on August 27, 2014, 05:53:38 AM

Bad news

I was too careless and lost all my mined spreadcoins. I contacted several data recovery companies and most probably it will be impossible to recover my wallet. Without these spreadcoins I will have no incentive to futher develop and support SpreadCoin.

Sorry for wasting your time with this cryptocurrency Sad

what did you lost? wallet.dat, privkey, or password?

Frigga77

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I am willing to donate a substantial amount. Hope though it was not a bad excuse for not coming forward with a new development? Sorry if I sound accusing, could be you really lost your stash, but it also sounds like an easy and convenient way to stop development after you maybe found out you cannot keep promises Cry

PMed you.

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Quote from: girino on August 27, 2014, 11:07:57 AM

Quote from: Mr. Spread on August 27, 2014, 05:53:38 AM

Bad news

I was too careless and lost all my mined spreadcoins. I contacted several data recovery companies and most probably it will be impossible to recover my wallet. Without these spreadcoins I will have no incentive to futher develop and support SpreadCoin.

Sorry for wasting your time with this cryptocurrency Sad

How much is it that you lost? maybe the community can work out some donations. I can set up a mining pool for this coin and donate part of the proffits do the dev. I've done it before with other coins, and it worked great.

this is a nice solution

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Quote from: Mr. Spread on August 27, 2014, 05:53:38 AM

Bad news

I was too careless and lost all my mined spreadcoins. I contacted several data recovery companies and most probably it will be impossible to recover my wallet. Without these spreadcoins I will have no incentive to futher develop and support SpreadCoin.

Sorry for wasting your time with this cryptocurrency Sad

How much is it that you lost? maybe the community can work out some donations. I can set up a mining pool for this coin and donate part of the proffits do the dev. I've done it before with other coins, and it worked great.

gjhiggins

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Quote from: Mr. Spread on August 27, 2014, 05:53:38 AM

Bad news

I was too careless and lost all my mined spreadcoins. I contacted several data recovery companies and most probably it will be impossible to recover my wallet. Without these spreadcoins I will have no incentive to futher develop and support SpreadCoin.

Sorry for wasting your time with this cryptocurrency Sad

You have the coding chops, why not suggest the introduction of a per-block tithe (a %) going to a wallet address under your control? If the coin is to have a future, it either needs a development budget or a sizeable community of volunteers.

Other than that, if you're dead set on escaping entirely, would you consider handing over control of the resources?

Cheers

Graham

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Quote from: Mr. Spread on August 27, 2014, 05:53:38 AM

The project is just beginning.
You were going well!
Were many coins? Huh

A-tM

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Quote from: Mr. Spread on August 27, 2014, 05:53:38 AM

Bad news

I was too careless and lost all my mined spreadcoins. I contacted several data recovery companies and most probably it will be impossible to recover my wallet. Without these spreadcoins I will have no incentive to futher develop and support SpreadCoin.

Sorry for wasting your time with this cryptocurrency Sad

It seems like a bad joke...
Shocked

Mr. Spread

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Bad news

I was too careless and lost all my mined spreadcoins. I contacted several data recovery companies and most probably it will be impossible to recover my wallet. Without these spreadcoins I will have no incentive to futher develop and support SpreadCoin.

Sorry for wasting your time with this cryptocurrency Sad

A-tM

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Quote from: zeca pagodinho on August 26, 2014, 08:23:09 AM

What did you think?

Maybe I like the second one (the wooden) better.
Have you tried different shapes of the S letter sign?
I like the overall style, but I would prefer another shape of the letter.

Regards,
Andy

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