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can we not be doing the toilet talk?
it just seems wrong for it to be in this thread.
thanks

You're a genius and all that, but please chill out. That was just an example of the contemporary economy driven by taxes, both visible and hidden. I wish I mixed some insolvent debt into it too. Like... like the protein that is insoluble in urine. Get it? Cheesy Ahh... never mind.  Undecided An example that can be well-understood by the (day-to-day) majority, spoken in omnirelated terms and yet being the essence of what Crypto Wild West was created to replace in its evolution.

PS: Now, please be plain and simple. How can I get my hands on some of those SuperNET shares?
I will post on jl777.org as soon as the details are set
noashh made a twitter feed, let me search for it...
https://twitter.com/Jl777News
http://jl777news.tumblr.com/
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Jl777/688097541246130?ref=stream

The above automatically reposting, so soon after I post, it gets twittering

James

Thank you. I'll follow that. In general, I like your idea.

I am not disagreeing with your facts. I just dont want all USA peoples to get too depressed

They don't need to get depressed. They need to get the idea.
legendary
Activity: 1176
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can we not be doing the toilet talk?
it just seems wrong for it to be in this thread.
thanks

You're a genius and all that, but please chill out. That was just an example of the contemporary economy driven by taxes, both visible and hidden. I wish I mixed some insolvent debt into it too. Like... like the protein that is insoluble in urine. Get it? Cheesy Ahh... never mind.  Undecided An example that can be well-understood by the (day-to-day) majority, spoken in omnirelated terms and yet being the essence of what Crypto Wild West was created to replace in its evolution.

PS: Now, please be plain and simple. How can I get my hands on some of those SuperNET shares?
I will post on jl777.org as soon as the details are set
noashh made a twitter feed, let me search for it...
https://twitter.com/Jl777News
http://jl777news.tumblr.com/
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Jl777/688097541246130?ref=stream

The above automatically reposting, so soon after I post, it gets twittering

James
legendary
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Not all things US Gov are bad, I like flushing my toilet and having my garbage picked up weekly.  Anyway, I think his point is be careful about using Poloniex for your IPO because the Gov can shut it down pretty easily.

Do you realize that you need the Government's permission to take a piss and you pay in order to get that permission. Let me break it down for you.

1. You can't just take a piss wherever you want, you have to do it in the toilet or else you'll be fined.
2. Toilet device manufacturing companies have to be licensed (by the govt) to produce "proper" toilet devices.
3. Contractors that install those devices have to be licensed (by the govt) and have to get installation permits (from the govt) to put the "proper" devices in place.
4a. In order to purchase a toilet device you've got to have the money (issued by the govt)
4b. And then you have to pay the tax (to the govt) on your income.
4c. And then again you have to play a sales tax (to the govt) on you purchase.
4whatever. And then the contractor has to pay income tax too... Charging you extra just to pay that tax.
5. You take a piss.
6. Huh
7. PROFIT!

Do you still like the idea?
can we not be doing the toilet talk?
it just seems wrong for it to be in this thread.
thanks

The Rulebook is growing.
not a rule, just a polite request
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1134
>> That was just an example of the contemporary economy driven by taxes, both visible and hidden.

And a bad example at that. I just re-did my bath and none of what you listed applied.
I paid STATE sales tax @ Home Depot and that was all.

... this is what the thread devolves too when the price goes sideways for dayz....


None of what I listed? Have you not paid your income tax? You must be a very naughty buy. Santa is gonna give you a jail term for this Christmas. The bath you have purchased was produced by a company that had to spend a lot of money on regulations fees. That money was included in the price of the bath. If you live in the USA and have not gotten permits for the installation you have violated the law and should be fined. Anyways, my point is that the current system sucks. It needs a replacement and Crypto Wild West has the potential to become that replacement. I'm not sure what you're even doing here if you love the way the things are 100%.

PS: Govt can be federal, state, county, city, or whatever it wants to be... possessions and territories have their govt too.
I am not disagreeing with your facts. I just dont want all USA peoples to get too depressed
member
Activity: 98
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>> That was just an example of the contemporary economy driven by taxes, both visible and hidden.

And a bad example at that. I just re-did my bath and none of what you listed applied.
I paid STATE sales tax @ Home Depot and that was all.

... this is what the thread devolves too when the price goes sideways for dayz....


None of what I listed? Have you not paid your income tax? You must be a very naughty buy. Santa is gonna give you a jail term for this Christmas. The bath you have purchased was produced by a company that had to spend a lot of money on regulations fees. That money was included in the price of the bath. If you live in the USA and have not gotten permits for the installation you have violated the law and should be fined. Anyways, my point is that the current system sucks. It needs a replacement and Crypto Wild West has the potential to become that replacement. I'm not sure what you're even doing here if you love the way the things are 100%.

PS: Govt can be federal, state, county, city, or whatever it wants to be... possessions and territories have their govt too.
full member
Activity: 149
Merit: 100
>> That was just an example of the contemporary economy driven by taxes, both visible and hidden.

And a bad example at that. I just re-did my bath and none of what you listed applied.
I paid STATE sales tax @ Home Depot and that was all.

... this is what the thread devolves too when the price goes sideways for dayz....
legendary
Activity: 1638
Merit: 1001
Not all things US Gov are bad, I like flushing my toilet and having my garbage picked up weekly.  Anyway, I think his point is be careful about using Poloniex for your IPO because the Gov can shut it down pretty easily.

Do you realize that you need the Government's permission to take a piss and you pay in order to get that permission. Let me break it down for you.

1. You can't just take a piss wherever you want, you have to do it in the toilet or else you'll be fined.
2. Toilet device manufacturing companies have to be licensed (by the govt) to produce "proper" toilet devices.
3. Contractors that install those devices have to be licensed (by the govt) and have to get installation permits (from the govt) to put the "proper" devices in place.
4a. In order to purchase a toilet device you've got to have the money (issued by the govt)
4b. And then you have to pay the tax (to the govt) on your income.
4c. And then again you have to play a sales tax (to the govt) on you purchase.
4whatever. And then the contractor has to pay income tax too... Charging you extra just to pay that tax.
5. You take a piss.
6. Huh
7. PROFIT!

Do you still like the idea?
can we not be doing the toilet talk?
it just seems wrong for it to be in this thread.
thanks

The Rulebook is growing.
member
Activity: 98
Merit: 10
can we not be doing the toilet talk?
it just seems wrong for it to be in this thread.
thanks

You're a genius and all that, but please chill out. That was just an example of the contemporary economy driven by taxes, both visible and hidden. I wish I mixed some insolvent debt into it too. Like... like the protein that is insoluble in urine. Get it? Cheesy Ahh... never mind.  Undecided An example that can be well-understood by the (day-to-day) majority, spoken in omnirelated terms and yet being the essence of what Crypto Wild West was created to replace in its evolution.

PS: Now, please be plain and simple. How can I get my hands on some of those SuperNET shares?
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1134
Not all things US Gov are bad, I like flushing my toilet and having my garbage picked up weekly.  Anyway, I think his point is be careful about using Poloniex for your IPO because the Gov can shut it down pretty easily.

Do you realize that you need the Government's permission to take a piss and you pay in order to get that permission. Let me break it down for you.

1. You can't just take a piss wherever you want, you have to do it in the toilet or else you'll be fined.
2. Toilet device manufacturing companies have to be licensed (by the govt) to produce "proper" toilet devices.
3. Contractors that install those devices have to be licensed (by the govt) and have to get installation permits (from the govt) to put the "proper" devices in place.
4a. In order to purchase a toilet device you've got to have the money (issued by the govt)
4b. And then you have to pay the tax (to the govt) on your income.
4c. And then again you have to play a sales tax (to the govt) on you purchase.
4whatever. And then the contractor has to pay income tax too... Charging you extra just to pay that tax.
5. You take a piss.
6. Huh
7. PROFIT!

Do you still like the idea?
can we not be doing the toilet talk?
it just seems wrong for it to be in this thread.
thanks
member
Activity: 98
Merit: 10
Not all things US Gov are bad, I like flushing my toilet and having my garbage picked up weekly.  Anyway, I think his point is be careful about using Poloniex for your IPO because the Gov can shut it down pretty easily.

Do you realize that you need the Government's permission to take a piss and you pay in order to get that permission. Let me break it down for you.

1. You can't just take a piss wherever you want, you have to do it in the toilet or else (ideally) you'll be fined.
2. Toilet device manufacturing companies have to be licensed (by the govt) to produce "proper" toilet devices.
3. Contractors that install those devices have to be licensed (by the govt) and have to get installation permits (from the govt) to put the "proper" devices in place.
4a. In order to purchase a toilet device you've got to have the money (issued by the govt)
4b. And then you have to pay the tax (to the govt) on your income.
4c. And then again you have to play a sales tax (to the govt) on you purchase.
4whatever. And then the contractor has to pay income tax too... Charging you extra just to pay that tax.
5. You take a piss.
6. Huh
7. PROFIT!

Do you still like the idea?
legendary
Activity: 1960
Merit: 1128
Hello all!

I like the concept very much as far as I understand it. But honestly, I'm not sure if I understand it right and I'm pretty sure, I don't understand it complete.

Before I ask too much: Is there somewhere something like a summary/overview.... "explanation for Dummies"? If not, I think that would be great to attract Investors before the IPO.


this is not called an IPO
DRAFT doc for SuperNET is at http://209.126.70.170/SuperNET.pdf


That's what I was looking for! Thanks!
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1134
Hello all!

I like the concept very much as far as I understand it. But honestly, I'm not sure if I understand it right and I'm pretty sure, I don't understand it complete.

Before I ask too much: Is there somewhere something like a summary/overview.... "explanation for Dummies"? If not, I think that would be great to attract Investors before the IPO.


this is not called an IPO
DRAFT doc for SuperNET is at http://209.126.70.170/SuperNET.pdf
legendary
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Merit: 1134
I was having a conversation with sidhujag and while explaining the problem, I think I found a way to make SuperNET scalable to any number of nodes.

Some projections are having some rather large numbers of users in SuperNET and this created some possible scaling problems.
for instance if 100,000 nodes are all broadcasting just one packet, then this is making N*N packets, which is shared load among all the nodes, but still is is 100,000 packets per node (bidirectional), so even though the packet is small, at larger N, it is a very possible problem. I didnt expect such a strong response to SuperNET so fast, so I assumed that we can do some gateway hubs as SuperNET expanded to act as gateways for this peerinfo.

the following peerinfo structure is what is needed for SuperNET nodes to be able to find each other, without disclosing their IP address to any node other than their privacyServer (your can use loopback as privacyServer or get a VPS to shield your IP)

the "srv" fields are for the privacyServer which is the only thing that is disclosing its IP address. null values or loopback address means this node is publishing its IP (unless the srvipbits are 0)

the pubBTCD[] and pubBTC[] addresses and pubnxtbits are the linked addresses all derived from a single public address (the privkey is used for the other two coins relative to the orig pubADDR)

All nodes can access a particular node via any of the pubADDR. The pubkey is what is used for the encrypting data to each node

Code:
struct peerinfo // padded to 256 bytes with some room for future fields
{
    uint64_t tbd[4],srvnxtbits,pubnxtbits,corecoins[4]; // this limits SuperNET to 256 coins in the core
    uint32_t srvipbits;
    uint16_t srvport;
    uint8_t pubkey[256>>3];
    char pubBTCD[36],pubBTC[36],extraspace[64];
};

the above is the info that is broadcast to all nodes and if gateways just broadcast to all the coins it was running a node on, we just, it would end up saturating all the nodes with these peerinfo packets

even though it is a small amount of data, I think that is too many packets!

So we must choke the traffic between coin networks to a linear flow.
For each coin there would be G gateways that store all the peerinfo data for that network. Well, this is automatic since all nodes for a coin are getting all peerinfo data

For a server that is in both coins A and B's networks, then it has the peerinfo for all the nodes for both coins A and B. So, if this server belonging to G(A + B) then a node in A can query G for a pubaddr and if it happened to be in B, the server can respond with the info.

To make it more efficient, each server G should list all the coins that it is belonging to so if it is known what coin a SuperNET pubaddr belongs to, only the server that already has this coin's pubaddrs would be queried. [at this point, I just added corecoins[4] so we can have a bitmap of up to 256 possible coins a node is belonging to as the solution flashed]

Now with little overhead all nodes in a coin's network can be identified as a possible gateway!
This just decentralized the peerinfo gateway function and eliminates the need for any hub servers.

This allows for peer to peer "long distance" calling.
Sometimes explaining a problem makes it go away Smiley

This is how I am reducing the problem as I learn more. I make sure there is a backstop solution (gateway hubs) and then at some point if it feels wrong, then I keep at it until a clearly better solution comes to mind. The advantage of working on so many different things is that I am getting a very general broad spectrum appreciation of the overall system, which allows to spend the time where the biggest possible issues are likely to be.

I am no waterfall process dev, so this drives the organized peoples a bit crazy, but in my mind SuperNET and all my assets are really just one project, so when people are saying I am doing too many things, it is strange as if I were to stop the one project I am doing, then I would just be a blabber blabber on the forums. The thing that seems to make it even more confusing is that I am making a combined code + monetization of traffic + user things like anon card and the asset interlocks are also part of the single project. So, it is hard to separate the code from the assets.

James

tl:dr SuperNET doesnt need any special server hubs to gateway peerinfo, each node that is running more than one coin will answer queries to other coins in its network with info it has from other coins it is also running a node. SuperNET just got decentralized peerinfo gateways!
legendary
Activity: 1960
Merit: 1128
Hello all!

I like the concept very much as far as I understand it. But honestly, I'm not sure if I understand it right and I'm pretty sure, I don't understand it complete.

Before I ask too much: Is there somewhere something like a summary/overview.... "explanation for Dummies"? If not, I think that would be great to attract Investors before the IPO.

newbie
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Thanx! I'll keep an eye out for it!  Grin
legendary
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OK, I think I grasp the concept...and I like it, but when does the ICO/IPO/Release/Launch/Whatever open?
it will be posted on jl777.org and there are some automatic twitters hooked up to this
plz dont ask me the URL's of the twitter, turns out I am a bat not a bird Smiley
noashh set it up
newbie
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OK, I think I grasp the concept...and I like it, but when does the ICO/IPO/Release/Launch/Whatever open?
full member
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James, I like how your lipstick matches the frills on your skirt.

legendary
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I just registered the alias "wingbat."

Willing to donate to the right cause/project/person.
this is me in a wing bat costume:

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I just registered the alias "wingbat."

Willing to donate to the right cause/project/person.
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