[ANN] [VIA] ★ Viacoin ★ ~ the future of digital currency ~ ★ - page 192.

Majormax

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Quote from: btcdrak on September 30, 2014, 06:11:34 AM

Quote from: Majormax on September 30, 2014, 06:09:08 AM

What gives Viacoin value ? XCH has value, but is Viacoin not simply the conduit for Clearinghouse and as such, does it need a market value (per unit rather than as a whole system) ?

That is like saying XCP (counterparty) or MSC (mastercoin) have value and BTC does not. Think carefully. Both XCP and MSC are also embedded consensus systems.

Sorry, I am still not seeing it....BTC has value because it is a spendable currency. I probably am not properly understanding the way the embedded consensus works...Please can you explain how Clearinghouse adds to the unit value of Viacoin ?

btcdrak

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Quote from: Majormax on September 30, 2014, 06:09:08 AM

What gives Viacoin value ? XCH has value, but is Viacoin not simply the conduit for Clearinghouse and as such, does it need a market value (per unit rather than as a whole system) ?

That is like saying XCP (counterparty) or MSC (mastercoin) have value and BTC does not. Think carefully. Both XCP and MSC are also embedded consensus systems.

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Quote from: andreibi on September 30, 2014, 03:39:25 AM

Dogeparty is getting higher lows in spite of limited access (Poloniex only). This is a prelude to Clearinghouse rise. Viacoin is faster than Dogecoin - with 24 secs confirms. Viacoin will have new ops and treechains. Clearinghouse will have blockchain notary.

Dogeparty has excellent marketing and exposure in the Dogecoin community while Clearinghouse and Viacoin are only known to a few and the top brass (This forum and traders in Twitter). Ordinary people will know of Dogeparty first before learning about Clearinghouse at this point in time. Viacoin and Clearinghouse are really undervalued. It's like Cinderella.

Let me reiterate: BE GREEDY WHEN OTHERS ARE FEARFUL

Smart money will buy between 20k to 80k. The price is so low because the general population of traders/coin enthusiasts don't know the potential of Viacoin and Clearinghouse.

You can actually monitor Twitter hashtags and see no promotions by the bigwigs.

Another plus for Viacoin: Doge developers seem to have some sort of friction with Dogeparty developers. And you all probably know BTC devs are at odds with Counterparty devs. While in Viacoin, the dev team for Viacoin and Clearinghouse is one and the same.

What gives Viacoin value ? XCH has value, but is Viacoin not simply the conduit for Clearinghouse and as such, does it need a market value (per unit rather than as a whole system) ?

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Dogeparty is getting higher lows in spite of limited access (Poloniex only). This is a prelude to Clearinghouse rise. Viacoin is faster than Dogecoin - with 24 secs confirms. Viacoin will have new ops and treechains. Clearinghouse will have blockchain notary.

Dogeparty has excellent marketing and exposure in the Dogecoin community while Clearinghouse and Viacoin are only known to a few and the top brass (This forum and traders in Twitter). Ordinary people will know of Dogeparty first before learning about Clearinghouse at this point in time. Viacoin and Clearinghouse are really undervalued. It's like Cinderella.

Let me reiterate: BE GREEDY WHEN OTHERS ARE FEARFUL

Smart money will buy between 20k to 80k. The price is so low because the general population of traders/coin enthusiasts don't know the potential of Viacoin and Clearinghouse.

You can actually monitor Twitter hashtags and see no promotions by the bigwigs.

Another plus for Viacoin: Doge developers seem to have some sort of friction with Dogeparty developers. And you all probably know BTC devs are at odds with Counterparty devs. While in Viacoin, the dev team for Viacoin and Clearinghouse is one and the same.

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Quote from: btcdrak on September 30, 2014, 02:20:59 AM

ClearingHouse is an embedded consensus system that relies on proof-of-publication. In laymans terms, ClearingHouse transactions occur on the Viacoin blockchain. The ClearingHouse transaction messages are encoded inside viacoin transaction for which you need viacoin. So it's not that there are "fees" for ClearingHouse transactions, it's that you cannot write CH messages in the blockchain without viacoin.

Blockchains themselves are not money, they are speech because they are the perfect way to publish information and establish order using decentralized consensus: in laymans terms, blockchains allow you to prove the order in which messages are recorded: e.g. Alice paid Bob, then Bob paid Charlie - it's this particular magic that solves the so called "double spend" problem. Money is an application of blockchains, as it notary, smart property, gambling etc. and anything else that requires the ability to establish the order in which events occurred in an immutable way.

Why need Viacoin? Read this.

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Quote from: btcdrak on September 30, 2014, 02:29:02 AM

Quote from: wom1979 on September 30, 2014, 02:27:42 AM

@Btcdrak When will you be providing regular updates as stated in your earlier Blogs/messages?

There will be another blog post soon, yes.

Understood

Regards

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Quote from: wom1979 on September 30, 2014, 02:27:42 AM

@Btcdrak When will you be providing regular updates as stated in your earlier Blogs/messages?

There will be another blog post soon, yes.

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Quote from: btcdrak on September 30, 2014, 02:20:59 AM

ClearingHouse is an embedded consensus system that relies on proof-of-publication. In laymans terms, ClearingHouse transactions occur on the Viacoin blockchain. The ClearingHouse transaction messages are encoded inside viacoin transaction for which you need viacoin. So it's not that there are "fees" for ClearingHouse transactions, it's that you cannot write CH messages in the blockchain without viacoin.

Blockchains themselves are not money, they are speech because they are the perfect way to publish information and establish order using decentralized consensus: in laymans terms, blockchains allow you to prove the order in which messages are recorded: e.g. Alice paid Bob, then Bob paid Charlie - it's this particular magic that solves the so called "double spend" problem. Money is an application of blockchains, as it notary, smart property, gambling etc. and anything else that requires the ability to establish the order in which events occurred in an immutable way.

@Btcdrak When will you be providing regular updates as stated in your earlier Blogs/messages?

btcdrak

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ClearingHouse is an embedded consensus system that relies on proof-of-publication. In laymans terms, ClearingHouse transactions occur on the Viacoin blockchain. The ClearingHouse transaction messages are encoded inside viacoin transaction for which you need viacoin. So it's not that there are "fees" for ClearingHouse transactions, it's that you cannot write CH messages in the blockchain without viacoin.

Blockchains themselves are not money, they are speech because they are the perfect way to publish information and establish order using decentralized consensus: in laymans terms, blockchains allow you to prove the order in which messages are recorded: e.g. Alice paid Bob, then Bob paid Charlie - it's this particular magic that solves the so called "double spend" problem. Money is an application of blockchains, as it notary, smart property, gambling etc. and anything else that requires the ability to establish the order in which events occurred in an immutable way.

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Who cares?

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on September 29, 2014, 09:43:23 PM

Quote from: blaaaaacksuit on September 29, 2014, 09:39:43 PM

Is drak dumping his hoard of VIA? Cheesy

Now that the XCH sale is over, of what use are VIAcoins?

Is there another project in the pipeline that will require them?

I'm probably not the only one wondering about this, so please ELI20.

Fees in clearinghouse are charged in VIA. Perhaps drak will come up with some more uses in the future.

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Quote from: blaaaaacksuit on September 29, 2014, 09:39:43 PM

Is drak dumping his hoard of VIA? Cheesy

Now that the XCH sale is over, of what use are VIAcoins?

Is there another project in the pipeline that will require them?

I'm probably not the only one wondering about this, so please ELI20.

blaaaaacksuit

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Who cares?

Is drak dumping his hoard of VIA? Cheesy

fox19891989

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This year btc crash like last year, btc and all alt-coins went down from July to November in last year, and then go to da moon! History repeats itself, let's wait patiently.

cryptillian

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my guess is people are in fiat now. cant find good reasons to sell via imho

HKBvM

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Is there any reason for the drop other than our usual crypto-lemming panic?

btcdrak

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Quote from: canej on September 29, 2014, 08:16:48 AM

Word on the street is hang out in #viacoin-dev chat to get updates...

That would be the smartest thing. If you want an idea of what's happening, idle in viacoin-dev, clearinghouse and clearwallet channels in freenode.

SkyValeey

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It looks like double bottom is confirmed..
Oh i hurried too much with buy, hmm maybe I'll buy more now.
I wish BTC bleeding will stop this week Wink

TheVoice

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Quote from: SkyValeey on September 27, 2014, 08:47:48 PM

Small note about Viacoin chart atm from me:

http://cryptaphex.wordpress.com/2014/09/28/viacoin-update-signals-to-buy/

https://twitter.com/AphexTwin4ever/status/516025823510278145 plz RT if you like, thank you

Do you think about double bottom? Will see - I hope you are right

Considering what is happening to Bitcoin, there is still big risk.

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Quote from: wom1979 on September 29, 2014, 08:03:46 AM

Quote from: ElTomeko27 on September 29, 2014, 07:42:31 AM

Quote from: andreibi on September 29, 2014, 06:53:11 AM

So...what's next for XCH/VIA? I'm guessing everybody is waiting on news.

Blockchain notary
Treechains
Counterparty/Dogeparty/Clearinghouse developments
Viacoin opcodes
Timelines/new roadmap

Agree with andreibi we need some updates.

Yes i also agree. Exceptional work to date. I think now/this week is the time to really detail whats coming next and when.

Word on the street is hang out in #viacoin-dev chat to get updates...

wom1979

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Quote from: ElTomeko27 on September 29, 2014, 07:42:31 AM

Quote from: andreibi on September 29, 2014, 06:53:11 AM

So...what's next for XCH/VIA? I'm guessing everybody is waiting on news.

Blockchain notary
Treechains
Counterparty/Dogeparty/Clearinghouse developments
Viacoin opcodes
Timelines/new roadmap

Agree with andreibi we need some updates.

Yes i also agree. Exceptional work to date. I think now/this week is the time to really detail whats coming next and when.

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