Topic: [ANN] [XCH] ★ ClearingHouse - Freedom by Blockchain ★ - page 11. (Read 119133 times)

I just gave it a kick. It's working now.

It's working fine for me right now.

edit: looks like servers not synced.

Anyone else having trouble with clearwallet.co ?
I can't acces him .

Peter Todd today has shared following post on Twitter.
'Great writeup from @prestonjbyrne on how messed up legal document management/negotiation is, and how to fix it:
https://blog.erisindustries.com/products/2015/02/16/opendocumentmonkey/
'Open Document Monkey: a proposal for a utility blockchain application' by Preston Byrne
Maybe interesting for XCH?

Dear BTER, this e-mail will be made a public post on Bitcointalk.org



I write out of the need of transmitting the deepest concerns towards the state of your service. We have invested many BTC through my account on BTER.COM and while i type this e-mail, we are seeing  :



We have to suspend all our services waiting for the security check. More information will be released as soon as possible. Sorry for the interruption.
我们将暂停服务，进行系统安全检查，给您造成不便请谅解...


"



We are concerned by the sudden stoppage of service and especially concerned about the safety of the coins owned by us on that are stored in the account hosted by your exchange, more specifically the following coins with their afferent numbered amounts, very close approximation

7690000 NODE    7.69 mil
610000 XCR  610K
118000000 QORA 118mil
900000 XCH  900k

40000 XTC 40k



These are large SUMS of percentages owned for the first 4 coins mentioned, the following percentages of total coins created, being:

0.76% node, 0.61% XCR, 1.18% QORA and 0.9% XCH



We have invested tens of thousands of dollars in BTC in these amounts of coins
and consider our investments a life-engaging affair, worthy of time consuming pursuit.

More specifically the fact that they are 2.0 currencies may prove very profitable in the futere, thus we are expecting long term profits in the order of millions, provable by common comparison with other similar enterprises, and thus these are the sums of the goal that we would pursuit legally concerning the affair. This letter hereby declares this.

Normally we should receive ASAP a truthful report on the state of our belongings.

We must pursue the means of reclaiming our belongings throught any available procedure.


To put it simple :
The ideal situation if a hard breach has happened would be that BTER Exchange representatives cooperate with the developers of the aformentioned coins and any others coins that may have been lost, in such a way that ALL the victimized parties reclaim what is rightfully PROPERTY.


VAT will be paid in national currency for all BTC transactions, if needed, so that our group may comply with rulings of international entities that may be enforcing arbitrary economic law, thus so that it may pursue our case thoughout any possible legal means and instutions, local or international.

 If need be our group will support other victimized members of the community with the right guidance towards the solidification through unity of a community claim, thus that within the Cryptocurrency world such an injustice may not endure.


It is certain that BTER.COM posseses logs that can prove the owner of 0.00000001 of any coin on their exchange, so that any of the developers may work out a fix, for each of the coins.

I am also sure that the good willed developers will agree and that the good willed community will donate enough of respective coin which requires fix, so that each of the developers remain happy and content.



Thank you for your time,


Roland Ionescu, Romania

XCP trading has started today on Bittrex. Time for XCH too to enter Bittrex market.

New XCH Asset Launched.
We invite the XCH and Viacoin community to check it out and support!

We are Rich Man Hill and our Asset is MUVA: Monetary Units backed by Viable Assets.

Hoping we can utilize Clearinghouse to launch its most successful Asset!
Look for an upcoming article on the crypto news magazine http://www.bitcoinbarbie.com

Look forward to the feedback here.
Much Thanks

MUVA Thread can be found here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-muva-xch-asset-monetary-units-viable-assets-pre-ann-loyal-coin-944847


MUVA/XCH and MUVA/VIA Markets now live! https://clearwallet.co/#

Remember: Assets purchased during Stage 1 will receive the Loyal Coin distribution. These will be the FIRST coins in circulation!

nope, works for me

well, what I am noticing is that much of the "features" of XCP are being deprecated now, and I think, rightfully so, in favor of anticipated porting of Ethereum smart contracts.

So in effect that does make them the first mover in as far as any revenue generating use of things like this.

Anyone else having log in troubles at clearwallet.co??

Yeah, patience is a good virtue.
Are you suggesting that from all or most crypto 2.0 projects, Ethereum likely will be the first mover? And that in its footsteps projects like XCH could find its markets?

the only light may be ethereum contracts, but even with that another year or more to see people use it to build actual applications that use the tech.

long ways to go. 

XCH price is starting to hurt, it seems there is very little interest in this project.  Must not dump.  Waiting patiently for the light at the end of the tunnel. 

i could be wrong but i think i saw in GitHub that stuff like the CFD and RockPaperScissors are getting deprecated in favor of Ethereum contracts, which have a yet fluid release date.

in any case i think that all of this shifting sand in the XCP codebase makes it an unattractive, unstable environment for business adoption.

i think as a businessman i would like to see some stability in the codebase before investing money and time into using a platform. 

So i would say that from an investment perspective, one would need to wait at least 9-12 months post the perception by people of a "baked" code foundation for any significant, meaningful adoption. One can see this for example with Gems and Medici, coming 12 months after the basic token creation functions are made available (with Storj being a very, very early adopter).

With the change over to Ethereum, and anticipating delays in Ethereum roll out, as well as putting in padding for a release 2 or 3 of the "in production" version of Ethereum, we're talking probably early yo middle of 2016 before we see significant smart contracts based businesses and a real uptick in adoption.

of course by 2020 however the space will be going completely insane.

On his blog, David R. Sterry's has published '8 Ways to Counterparty'
http://davidsterry.com/blog/2014/12/8-ways-to-counterparty/
Is this same list of 8 applicable for Clearinghouse now or in the future? Is Clearinghouse playing in exactly the same field as XCP or does it give possibilities other then this list of 8? Where in this list XCP could be replaced by XCH? Is there a niche for XCH?

Here the main topics taken from the blog:
'1. Fractional Ownership
In recent years, crowdfunding has enabled tons of folks to go from an idea or rough prototype to build at least a small business. The next frontier in the crowd-space is crowdequity where hundreds or thousands of investors buy a piece of a new enterprise. XCP makes crowdequity simple to setup and administer. Create a token and sell it via a token-vending service to grant ownership to shareholders. Later, you can pay dividends in XCP with a single click or hold a shareholder vote by issuing voting tokens to your shareholders.
(in US, there are restrictions .... Hopefully this will change ... Overstock.com is also working on a platform called Medici ...)

2. Bets & Prediction markets
XCP’s decentralized exchange (DEx) enables users to do trustless trade between native tokens like XCP and FLDC as well as with bitcoin. Similarly, XCP’s betting and contracts-for-difference features enable users to do trustless betting with XCP on virtually any event. These work by attaching a bet to data published by a third party in a broadcast transaction. By promising to report accurately about a future event (whether it be sporting, political, or economic) the broadcaster can collect a small fee while the bets themselves are offered, matched, and settled directly between users by the protocol. In this case there is no “house”; the closest thing is the broadcaster themselves who earn fees for their reporting.
(...an oracle may misreport an event outcome. In this case... While building and trusting online reputation systems is an immense challenge ...)

3. Games
You can play a fairly slow, but fully escrowed game of Rock Paper Scissors with XCP.

4. Alternate Token Distribution Schemes
Bitcoin acheives security by rewarding miners for their work. At the same time, mining distributes the coins that will forever be traded in the system. With XCP, transactional security is provided by the Bitcoin network freeing token distribution schedules to better for an issuer’s needs.
(...Instead of mining for security, LTBcoins are earned by building content and community)
(Another example is [FoldingCoin](http://davidsterry.com/blog/), a project started in mid-2014 where members of Stanford’s Folding@Home project can be paid a portion of daily FLDC distributions...)
(Creative, dependable token distribution provides an investor with the option to support not just an individual developer but a platform and an economy based on the token. If you think either of the above projects are doing valuable work or that the value of their tokens may increase, you can buy some to hold or redistribute towards advancement of their respective platforms.)

5. Access Control
Advancements such as OAUTH and smart cards are growing in adoption, but what we use today largely depends upon shared secrets. Passwords and PINs have worked for decades but with the growing incidence of hacks on online services, retail and even banks, they are starting to show their limitations. XCP tokens can be used for access control and can marry different architectures to provide granular and dynamic access.
(By using what’s called Token Controlled Viewpoint (TCV), each account on a service can be cryptographically associated with any number of Bitcoin addresses. Once linked, the inventory of tokens can enable your account to access and interact with certain services. This has been developed in the Let’s Talk Bitoin community where early members of the site received a token called EARLY that as entitles them to access the Founders Forum. Anyone can create an exclusive forum on their platform for a small fee. More imporantly, anyone can create their own forum (look up Tokenly for a head start) and with counterpartyd and a bit of code attach their own roles and responsibilities to holders of tokens.)

6. Scarcity
With XCP you can acheive simple and inexpensive digital scarcity. Just create an asset, issue units of the asset and lock it. From then, there will never be another satoshi of that asset in the Counterparty universe. Use cases include collectibles (more on that below), currencies, points, shares, awards and medals – anything for which scarcity adds value.
(...you can have scarcity, you can also have amounts of points floating around that get people excited, like the several million points often awarded in a video game)

7. Proofs-of-existence and records of prediction
The broadcast feature need not be connected to a future event or bet. You could also use the system to encode that you are going to become captain of your football team in the next 12 months or that you will lose 10 pounds in 6...)

8. Insta-ETFs
XCP also enables the separation of custody and ownership; trade from shipping; physical possession vs. the right to sell. Any pawn broker or secure storage facility can issue a digital asset representing an item or collection of items they hold. Rare coins, gold, silver, art, and collectibles are all candidates that may make sense to be traded in this way. The custodian merely needs to provide inventory reports and the name of the XCP asset that goes with each item or collection.
(Trade is taken care of either on the DEx or off-chain with no custodial intervention necessary...)'

Crypto 2.0 projects to watch in 2015:
http://www.coindesk.com/19-crypto-2-0-projects-watch-2015/

Sounds like Reddit Notes hasn't decided on a technology yet, I wonder if they could be convinced to use clearinghouse? Unfortunately I don't have the technical knowledge to make the argument vs. colored coins or sidechains.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2pt4kl/reddit_announces_reddit_notes_aka_reddit_bitcoin/cmztogm

I like the p2p poker and blackjack idea and maybe you could use the same framework for a number of games.
The lotto thing sounds good but much more complex at this point.

- android version of the paper scissor rock that already works on in the online wallet

- android vialectum wallet that you can use for assets / notary

Allthough im no coder I would think that you need some kind of android wallet that can use assets and viacoin before you can build other apps that use assets and via, that should be the first step.

Then when you want to play paper/rock or p2pBJ or whatever it would ask what wallet you want to use, like how btcoracle works for bitcoin.

So the question is ... we know how good VIA/ XCH is how can we, as part of the Viacoin Rebel Command, start a service on top of ClearingHouse, or help promote devs to build on it?

I see services such as registration of digital assets a first step, like the morellian project. For digital work. Registering anything digital in fact.

Almost needs a Clearinghouse Crowdfunding marketing website and we all put a few XCH / VIA each into a prize pot to get devs interested.

This can be done without waiting for the market (tech companies) to wake up to XCH/ Via.

Thoughts?

1. p2p mobile blackjack and poker game

2. mobile phone lotto game using ethereum contracts, letting people sell tickets to their friends and then sending them to their XCH Mobile Lotto App

obviously these have jurisdiction legal issues...

sounds good

the koinify guys are the main crypto based crowdfunder in the US...