joebob999, it is deceitful to make out that revelation (or you, for that matter) is speaking "objectively".
It is not an issue of objectivity, for two reasons:
- revelation is being uncivil, not specifically untruthful. It's not a matter of objectivity but of respect for others.
- people have subjective viewpoints, not objective ones. So revelation couldn't "speak objectively" if he tried. He's not God.
Finally, you've behaved utterly awfully in the XC thread. Take this to heart, because it explains why Teka banned you from it.
You'd be fooling yourself if you think of yourself as a righteous and "objective" protester against "censorship". Get a grip.
I was speaking specifically to where the (more) objective audience (those who are willing to tolerate open free speech about a subject) can be found.
Bringing God into the subject as the only one who can be objective, and bringing manners in to try and defend censoring speech is cute. You are good at re-directing speech into a philosophical debate to take focus off the issue at hand. So kudos to you smartie pants. No doubt you have a collection of Fedoras, roast your own coffee beans, buy organic & like raw tea so kudos to you.
I'm more of a cigar, whiskey & bottom line type of guy.
Funny you should suggest all that.
I'm a trilby guy rather than a fedora, I buy single origin coffee beans (already roasted, alas!), and forego organic/raw/whatever for Islay single malts. Bit of a mixture then.
As for re-directing speech to take focus off the issue at hand, the issue at hand is respect for others and constructive discourse.
I'm sure you'd agree that constructive discourse
requires being critical. There's no point without critical thought and constructive criticism.
But that's not what I've been getting from either Revelation or you on the XC thread. I can't say your intentions are bad, since I'm not privy to them, but I can say that in contrast to Revelation you're quite capable of critical thought, but you have these a priori opinions - highly negative towards XC - that you import into a discussion and aren't up for negotiation. To do this is to not respect one of the requirements for constructive discourse: speaking in a manner that bears constructively upon the perspective of the other people involved. And to do this, you need to respect others - or more specifically, to be empathetic.
This is the issue at hand. It's the position you take up against the community. You don't come alongside them, you talk at them.