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Topic: [ANN][Blocknet] truly decentralized exchange | token ecosystem infrastructure - page 451. (Read 1103293 times)

legendary
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CoinGateway will handle the majority of coins.

So does this mean if we buy blocknet with XC on coingateway, that coingateway then DUMPS the XC into the market and the XC price crashes??

How is the XC exchange rate calculated?Huh?


No.
The Blocknet Foundation keeps the coins to fund development.

No coins are dumped. This is in the FAQ under the OP.
Are the coins held in escrow...or will they be sold off slowly over time?

They will not be sold off at all.

They will be used to pay for development.

We're looking at ways to hold the coins in escrow, though trusted third parties seem a little thin on the ground. Check out the FAQ below the OP for more info on how we'll handle the funds.



Isnt that a contradiction?
If you hold the coins how can you pay development?

Btw. will all code regarding blocknet be open source?
Because as far as i see XCurrency is closed source?  Huh
member
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This looks promising but possibly rushed/underdeveloped. There isn't any technical documentation as far as I saw.

A new blocknet for all the marijuana coins would be cool.

legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1000
To commodify ethicality is to ethicise the market
legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1000
To commodify ethicality is to ethicise the market
CoinGateway will handle the majority of coins.

So does this mean if we buy blocknet with XC on coingateway, that coingateway then DUMPS the XC into the market and the XC price crashes??

How is the XC exchange rate calculated?Huh?


No.
The Blocknet Foundation keeps the coins to fund development.

No coins are dumped. This is in the FAQ under the OP.
Are the coins held in escrow...or will they be sold off slowly over time?

They will not be sold off at all.

They will be used to pay for development.

We're looking at ways to hold the coins in escrow, though trusted third parties seem a little thin on the ground. Check out the FAQ below the OP for more info on how we'll handle the funds.

legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1000
CoinGateway will handle the majority of coins.

So does this mean if we buy blocknet with XC on coingateway, that coingateway then DUMPS the XC into the market and the XC price crashes??

How is the XC exchange rate calculated?Huh?


No.
The Blocknet Foundation keeps the coins to fund development.

No coins are dumped. This is in the FAQ under the OP.
Are the coins held in escrow...or will they be sold off slowly over time?
hero member
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Merit: 500


Since DHT alone doesn't meet the requires of XBRIDGE, we won't be cloning anything.   Xbridge will be a new P2P protocol - merging XNode, DHT and telehash.
legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1000
To commodify ethicality is to ethicise the market
I think those points need nuancing a little better.
1) NXT and BTCD provide key functionality, clearly. But doesn't NHZ provide an AE like NXT? Additionally, many services are built on top of NXT (MGW, distributed crypto exchange, Atomic, InstantDEX...). Then you have BBR, VRC etc. Each coin and service brings something distinctive to the table. I also think one of the things that has caused confusion here is that Teleport is a whole ecosystem for private communication, used by BTCD for anon transfers.
2) Kademlia is DHT, used by BitTorrent. Nodes communicate P2P. Incidentally, it's worth mentioning that Kademlia enables some really very impressive anon tech: you will be able to communicate without sender or receiver, or anyone else, knowing IP addresses. Imagine an attacker with enough resources to monitor the entire network: they wouldn't be able to tell who was sending and receiving packets, let alone what was in them.
3) 10% is the ideal. I suppose you could argue that represents centralisation and risk of manipulation, though it will be held long-term and not used for trading. Its purpose is to underpin the SuperNET NAV and give it a floor value, as well as to align interests between holders. Just about everything in SuperNET is designed to reward productive engagement between the relevant coin communities and services. 10% isn't non-negotiable, but it's the ideal. In some cases I guess it might not be possible; no matter, if a coin offers something worthwhile they can be included. Ultimately I suppose this is a matter of risk/reward, and your outlook on such things. Also bear in mind that ANY coin can use SuperNET via the API.
Anyway, just some thoughts on your points. Hope they're useful.


Thanks very much for this.

I'll use it in the FAQ below the OP to refine the comparative remarks we made.

legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1000
To commodify ethicality is to ethicise the market
CoinGateway will handle the majority of coins.

So does this mean if we buy blocknet with XC on coingateway, that coingateway then DUMPS the XC into the market and the XC price crashes??

How is the XC exchange rate calculated?Huh?


No.

The Blocknet Foundation keeps the coins to fund development.

No coins are dumped. This is in the FAQ under the OP.



legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1000
CoinGateway will handle the majority of coins.

So does this mean if we buy blocknet with XC on coingateway, that coingateway then DUMPS the XC into the market and the XC price crashes??

How is the XC exchange rate calculated?Huh?

legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1000
To commodify ethicality is to ethicise the market

Kademlia... that's distributed hash tables, aka DHT. DHT uses servers to lookup and locate nodes. Therefore it's not truly distributed, thus not P2P.
In contrast, the Xnode protocol, upon which the XBridge is based, is completely serverless in operation and truly distributed.


So what exactly will XBridge use?

I'm told Telehash v.3.

Mesh networking - like XCurrency, and a bit of DHT too for scalability.

Completely serverless of course.

https://github.com/telehash/telehash.org/tree/v3/v3





legendary
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Kademlia... that's distributed hash tables, aka DHT. DHT uses servers to lookup and locate nodes. Therefore it's not truly distributed, thus not P2P.
In contrast, the Xnode protocol, upon which the XBridge is based, is completely serverless in operation and truly distributed.


So what exactly will XBridge use?

Thin air apparently?
newbie
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Kademlia... that's distributed hash tables, aka DHT. DHT uses servers to lookup and locate nodes. Therefore it's not truly distributed, thus not P2P.
In contrast, the Xnode protocol, upon which the XBridge is based, is completely serverless in operation and truly distributed.


So what exactly will XBridge use?

IDK maybe Starboltz!  Grin
hero member
Activity: 690
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Kademlia... that's distributed hash tables, aka DHT. DHT uses servers to lookup and locate nodes. Therefore it's not truly distributed, thus not P2P.
In contrast, the Xnode protocol, upon which the XBridge is based, is completely serverless in operation and truly distributed.


So what exactly will XBridge use?
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1031
I think those points need nuancing a little better.
1) NXT and BTCD provide key functionality, clearly. But doesn't NHZ provide an AE like NXT? Additionally, many services are built on top of NXT (MGW, distributed crypto exchange, Atomic, InstantDEX...). Then you have BBR, VRC etc. Each coin and service brings something distinctive to the table. I also think one of the things that has caused confusion here is that Teleport is a whole ecosystem for private communication, used by BTCD for anon transfers.
2) Kademlia is DHT, used by BitTorrent. Nodes communicate P2P. Incidentally, it's worth mentioning that Kademlia enables some really very impressive anon tech: you will be able to communicate without sender or receiver, or anyone else, knowing IP addresses. Imagine an attacker with enough resources to monitor the entire network: they wouldn't be able to tell who was sending and receiving packets, let alone what was in them.
3) 10% is the ideal. I suppose you could argue that represents centralisation and risk of manipulation, though it will be held long-term and not used for trading. Its purpose is to underpin the SuperNET NAV and give it a floor value, as well as to align interests between holders. Just about everything in SuperNET is designed to reward productive engagement between the relevant coin communities and services. 10% isn't non-negotiable, but it's the ideal. In some cases I guess it might not be possible; no matter, if a coin offers something worthwhile they can be included. Ultimately I suppose this is a matter of risk/reward, and your outlook on such things. Also bear in mind that ANY coin can use SuperNET via the API.
Anyway, just some thoughts on your points. Hope they're useful.
hero member
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SuperNET will be implemented into other coins, not just BitcoinDark.
Also, today I learned that Bittorrent (Kademlia)is not p2p.

LOL
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kademlia

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Kademlia is a distributed hash table for decentralized peer-to-peer computer networks designed by Petar Maymounkov and David Mazières in 2002.
legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1000
To commodify ethicality is to ethicise the market
There's been a very useful discussion in the XC thread on differences between the Blocknet and SuperNET.

I thought I'd copy it here:


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Thanks very much for the sustained clarification here. This is quality discussion.

To address your points in order:
I've been reading about the blockNET and I feel like superNET is being misrepresented in your marketing copy. I didn't want to bring this up in your blockNET topic or make a new post out of it but I'd like to hear your opinion on why you chose these three particular points:

1. The way you've represented it makes it sound like BTCD is somehow above all the other coins in superNET. BTCD is to superNET as XC is to blockNET. In superNET BTCD provides the Teleport technology and jl777 as developer. In blockNET XC provides the Xbridge technology and atcsecure as developer. Nothing other than BTCD providing an essential part of the anonymity tech of superNET makes BTCD special.

The XBridge protocol is not part of XC and does not run inside XC.
It's open source and will be integrated into all coins on the Blocknet.
It's required for every Blocknet transaction, not just those involving XC.
In contrast, BTCD and NXT are core technologies in the Supernet, and pretty much nothing can be done without them. Check out the following quotation from the SuperNET newsletter:

"Imagine a new country, spread out in front of you. Scattered around the landscape is everything you might want or need. Stores, selling anything you could ever hope to buy. Exchanges, financial services and trading posts. Casinos and other entertainment centres. News and information outlets. These are like the services offered by SuperNET. Incredibly, although the cryptocurrency world offers so many remarkable businesses, no one has thought to link them before. They are just a set of isolated organisations, operating in their own niches, or competing with each other.

BTCD is like the highway that connects everything. The infrastructure it provides will enable communication between you and all of the different services, through what it shaping up to be one of the most secure comms links ever developed. It’s like a network of roads, tunnels and bridges that enables you to go anywhere and do anything – and do so in complete privacy.

To complete the analogy, Nxt is the sophisticated engine that gets you around this network of roads and to the services you can find there. It’s a 2.0 car that’s designed to do far more than drive from A to B. NXT doesn’t just allow you to transact; it houses the Asset Exchange and many of the other services that will allow you to interact meaningfully with others on your way around in SuperNET – the whole Super Network of integrated coins and innovative services."



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2. I'm also curious about the p2p claims that are written. Maybe I'm missing something here and if you could enlighten me I would appreciate it. But SuperNET is using an implementation of Kademlia for p2p nodes, which is the same technology that Bittorrent is built on and as far as I know using such a protocol would quality as 'true p2p'.

Kademlia... that's distributed hash tables, aka DHT. DHT uses servers to lookup and locate nodes. Therefore it's not truly distributed, thus not P2P.
In contrast, the Xnode protocol, upon which the XBridge is based, is completely serverless in operation and truly distributed.


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3. The intention of superNET isn't to have a single centralised enity holding 10% of each coins money supply. SuperNET is intended to be a decentralised organization controlled by shareholders, not one single person. And those coins are meant to be held indefinitely via multiple people using multisig technology. It should function in a similar way as I'm understanding your blockNET foundation to hold.

The idea of holding 10% of the money supply of any participating coin is, in my opinion (though I admit a debatable point), risky and centrist.
Even if the controlling organisation is somewhat decentralised and the funds held in multisig addresses, it's still the case that it acts with its own mandate and is directed to its own ends
And if it owns enough of the money supply to control the price of a currency, that's a problem.
Given that it's not necessary for this arrangement to be in place, I don't see why the benefit of pumping a coin's price is worth the centralisation risk.
Better to have Xmixers or something, which also reduce the amount of coins in circulation, but do so in a decentralised manner.


legendary
Activity: 1190
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To commodify ethicality is to ethicise the market
Scam is scam ?

WHy Can I just tell the truth ?

Because I ruined your scam ?


You ruined nothing.

You're giving your opinion, not the truth.

And you're not substantiating your opinion at all.

Therefore you're trolling. Please stop.
newbie
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Scam is scam ?

WHy Can I just tell the truth ?

Because I ruined your scam ?
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