Topic: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin" - page 296. (Read 1151252 times)

Then why are you bitching about my price.  For all you know ClamChecker.com is paying 10x market price today than what Poloniex will be paying 6 months down the road.

Well people generally spend money or BTC on shit they believe in.  I think your post makes it pretty obvious you lack faith in the CLAM investment.  You had enough faith in JD BTC to invest thousands of Bitcoin to start off with and that faith inspired other people to invest as well... thus your site was a success.

I've had enough faith to work on this project for months and months.  I'm absolutely confident people need Clamchecker and will use it.


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=put+your+money+where+your+mouth+is


Our fee is not based on %'s.  We pay a flat rate for all of our options.


You aren't trolling hu?  Sure dude... just like you didn't add my faucets to the list a month ago because we added the links to ClamChecker 3 days ago.    You are so full of shit now days and sloppy it is truly sad.

The affiliate part of our site is new and needed...  The part that rewards people for doing a good job or bringing people to our site and CLAM in general.

I'm not going to allow myself to get cranky with you Dooglus and you are welcome to hate on my service all you'd like.  I'm not going to dive into the fact you own and operated a unregulated casino with underage USA and UK players on it on a daily basis that counts on players to recklessly gamble 100% their "free coins" they dig through chat.  

Bottom line is that we do offer a free convenient way for people to check their addresses and we have options for people to dig if they so wish.  We also reward affiliates for telling folks about their CLAMS.  I understand you chose not to and that is your choice.  

My site... my rules.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMDITyYfua8

10% is expensive. But you're charging over 80%...


There's already a digging service - Just-Dice offers it. What's new with your service? Nobody ever tried charging such high fees before; I guess that's new. But is it needed?


The way to decentralise CLAM is for someone to offer a competing service, not to artificially limit the biggest source of demand for CLAM. If I was to stop allowing people to invest in Just-Dice, who do you think would buy the thousands of CLAM that the digger dumps on the market each day? What would they use them for? Investing in JD accounts for the lion's share of the current demand for CLAM.

People use Shapeshift.io for a 10% fee when Poloniex charges .2%.

People use x's stupid fucking rain bot in your channel for 3-50% fee when they can /tip for free as well.

Not seeing your point... we provide a service that has yet to be provided in CLAM and I believe it will bring additional security & attention to the Clamcoin network.

Hopefully you choose to do the right thing here soon and stop accepting investments in order to decentralize CLAM.

Would you really use clamchecker to dig your CLAMs? Would anyone who realised they could dig for free and avoid the 81% fee?

I don't think so.


OK, so if they refer themselves they get an extra 0.002 BTC, and so 'only' end up giving you a 74% fee:

    >>> 100 - (0.005 + 0.002) * 100 / 0.0276
    74.63768115942028

That still doesn't seem overly reasonable.

The offer on the thread you linked to seems good - you're giving them 3.5 + 1.0 CLAM plus 0.002 BTC (= 0.33333 CLAM) for a total of 4.8333 CLAM per dig, which means you take a small loss for each dig. I would be a little worried about the small print that says "we do reserve the right to refuse this offer" but I have no CLAMs to dig anyway.


Good guess!


If by "back bone" you mean you want to prop up the price no matter how much is dug up, I think that's a silly thing to even try to do. There are millions of undug CLAMs out there. No way can anyone prop up the price if a significant portion of them are dug and dumped.


I have no view on the value of CLAM. I guess it's worth whatever people will pay for it. I'm not going to spend thousands of BTC propping up the price. Why would I?


I'm not sure what you're referring to. I used to be a big investor in Just-Dice when it was using BTC, much like I am a big investor now that it's using CLAM. Other than that, I don't know what you mean about money-where-my-mouth-is.


I think your fees are bad given the current price. It seems to me it would make sense to have the BTC price you offer depend on the exchange rate, rather than using an artificially low price "just in case".

I'm sure you are doing the math right now for the end digger being the affiliate.

If the 500,000 CLAM holder dumped his entire stash right now... CLAM would drop even below the sites profitability mark for the BTC dig option.  I'm just not ready to take that risk tolerance & we would like to become a "back bone" of CLAM as well, but that takes capital.

If you truly think CLAM is worth the level of BTC it is at at the moment... put 3,000 Bitcoins on the bid.  That's a huge reason why Just-Dice was so successful in the first place because you used to put your BTC where your mouth was.  I'd be happy to up our payments with a little security on the ass end.  Right now all I see is the market dipping when people win big on Just-Dice.  

Give the gamblers and the market some confidence if you are so confident my fee's are so bad.

I was thinking if the end user self affiliated because that is what I would do.

If the end user was their own affiliate your "shit" would in fact be "not together" on that math.

I edited my comment because I understood where you were coming from, but I'm glad you grabbed it in a quote so I could point out where I was thinking from.

I'm not Dean.

You seemed to be complaining that I didn't mention a promotion which I wasn't aware of. All I've seen is the site itself, where you offer to pay 3.5 CLAM or 0.005 BTC in exchange for 4.6 CLAMs.


I was calculating the fee for the end user. He gets 0.005 BTC for 4.6 CLAMs. That's only 18% of the value.

I'm not trolling you, and my "shit" is "together".

No I can't Dean, sorry.  Investigate it on your own.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12395188

I'm not aware of that offer, and didn't know you had a thread. Do you have a link to the offer and the thread?

Click the link in the post you quoted - it tells you there. It's up to about an hour ago.

Thanks. Til which date is the bootstrap? the wallet is now busy with he beginning of July.

Why do I need to mention it when you do such a good job volunteering & the website clearly labels what the diggers can expect?  

You could also point out that if a digger self affiliates through BTC and posts their txid on our thread they get 4.5 CLAM + .002 BTC, which is more than the Client or Just-Dice.    

That seems like something that might be worth pointing out.

I'm not going to hold my hand on my ass waiting to see you recommend my shit though.  

You always seem to forget to mention the fees. It's totally free to check for CLAMs, but if they want to get paid in BTC you pay 0.005 BTC for 4.6 CLAMs, worth 4.6 * 0.006 = 0.0276 BTC at current prices. That's an 81% fee:

    >>> 100 - 0.005 * 100 / 0.0276
    81.884

That seems like something that might be worth pointing out.

It's 646000 blocks, and 640 Mb.

You can download a bootstrap.dat file from here to speed up the sync process.

You can become an affiliate for www.ClamChecker.com.

It is totally free for your users to check for CLAMS and we provide different options for them to dig if they chose not to go the client route (we also provide a link to the Github for the client).

Our affiliate system pays .002 BTC each dig or .1 CLAM each dig (your choice.)  The affiliate pay is sent after each dig has 6 confirmations on it.

Simply type our domain as ClamChecker.com/YOURBTCorCLAMADDRESS.

For more details click the "Bitcoin Talk Thread" button in my signature.

Feel free to message me with any questions and look forward to working with you.

Love the bribery vibe... I'll post about it if you pay me!

guys...
if i make post about CLAMs on http://fuk.io - that goes to 1800 double email subscrived members, my 4,5k+ twitter and rest of socials.... can i count on small CLAMs tip?

asking because due to some failure i have deleted my clams .dat file that had alot...
i wanna promote this but would be cool to get some CLAMs to stack

This is a rather perplexing position to take? A deposit address is quite simply: "Send bitcoins here, so I get them and know it was from you".

One particularly frustrating extension of what you said what a few other altcoin's do. They support bitcoin addresses as well, and users (or developers?) will send $altcoin to one of my deposit addresses. Then they'll go on to demand that I need to credit $altcoin to their account (which I don't support) or send the $altcoin back, and if I don't I'm a scammer. I've never yet sent one of these people their $altcoin back, as doing so would risk my entire HD wallet if a single private key is leaked by incorrect or malicious code, and in general it's just a waste of time.

Or another good example of it doesn't make sense, is this recently happened over at my site:

A user was intending to make a deposit, but still had in their clipboard another users deposit address (to send a tip?) and mistaken sent the funds to an other users deposit address. The facts or timeline wasn't disputed, but the user who was getting the incoming payment believed they were entitled to the money because it went to "their" deposit address.

But I instead manually credited the account of the user who sent the money, rather than the user who's deposit address was mistakenly used. You'll have a really, really hard time convincing me I did the wrong thing or the receiving user has a legal expectation to get that money.

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How big is the chain? My computer is downloading for 2 days.