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"Legally". Cute.

Thanks for the lesson in law in whatever country you live in. Does that also apply to Canada? Algeria? I'd love to hear your take on all of the laws around the world. Please go on about them some more. I'm definitely reading it all.




It's not intended to be a lesson numbnuts.How can halfwits like you be taught anything?


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Does that also apply to Canada? Algeria?

Ask Interpol ..you dumb fuck.
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To the investors of NVO, I must apologize for the way this project has been handled. There is nothing worse for an investor to see a project team blow up like this one has, and I'm sorry that the investors of NVO are caught in the middle.

When I first started thinking about creating a DEX for NVO, I had great ideas and saw a great future for a project that would continue to grow for many years. I had a hope and a vision that there could be many other projects that could very easily fit together with a DEX, and each of them would strengthen each other. When I brought these ideas to my cofounders, they agreed and we started the NVO project together with a great relationship.

Now one of the cofounders has sabotaged the project by wanting to start over from scratch even though development is nearing completion. He wants to take all of the crowdsale funds for himself and change the terms of the project all on his own to ignore some key promises of the crowdsale. The investors are now being told that they should want to have a fork of Komodo. They are also being told that they will not receive a DEX with plugins, which means it is not a true decentralized exchange. His Komodo fork will be controlled by him alone and he will approve or deny the coins that can be traded on his Komodo DEX. This is not in the spirit of a decentralized exchange, and nobody will use this Komodo fork any more than Komodo is already used right now.

The direction he wants to take NVO is not what investors were promised. This unfair change means only one thing is possible: the escrows must immediately refund the investors, and I have asked them to begin that process. Right now, the escrows are deciding what they will do with the crowdsale funds, and I believe we should hear their decision immediately.

My cofounder has also made some accusations about me and some of the other people associated with Veserus, one of the other projects that will help the DEX. These accusations are meant to distract you from what is really happening here. The fact is that my cofounder has taken 560 BTC, all of his share of the crowdsale funds from the milestones that we have already met, and I have taken only very little. The actual development has been paid out of my own pocket and not the crowdsale funds except for a very little amount. But my cofounder has wasted his share and no longer has the funds to afford to continue the project on his own. So, he will take what he has left and will do an easy fork of Komodo just so he can claim he has delivered an escrow milestone, and he will try to take 100% of those milestone funds instead of just the 50% he was taking before.

I would never allow that to happen if I was one of the escrows. He should never be permitted to take all of the escrow funds for himself, change the terms of the crowdsale, and deliver an inferior DEX that is no better than what someone else has already created. This is totally unfair to the investors. So I propose that the remaining funds that I am entitled to for the previous milestones be released to me so I can continue development of the DEX, and then investors should be refunded everything that is still in escrow as they are entitled to.

No matter what my cofounder does by himself, I still care the most about the NVO investors. I will continue developing the real NVO DEX with my own funds if necessary, and when development is complete, I will credit all NVST holders with the real NVO DEX tokens as promised since the crowdsale. A real decentralized exchange with a plugin system and a decentralized trade validator to power a very fast trading engine. We will continue development of Veserus and the other projects that will help the DEX, and the crowdsale investors will get the project they paid for, even if there is a full refund and I do not get my half of the remaining milestone funds.

Again I must say that I am sorry for how investors have been treated by my cofounder. This is totally unacceptable and I will do everything in my power to make it right.

This is the biggest nonsense I have ever read in this forum. It's not only absurd, but it's also rather unacceptable, his English is so broken that I doubt he can even write a single line of code. Remember how they exit scammed the Xenio project? Now this is their ploy to exit scam from NVO with the made up story of an internal conflict so that development could not be continued (it never started, no any proof of github code). The long queue of abandoned projects equals 8 now.

I'm wondering what the paid shills by NVO TSWR, Radiumsoup Chris will say now, everything is on track? They will hide in their holes, it's been proven that they are totally untrustworthy and essential part of the scam. It's either that or these these accounts belong to NVO and they have bought it in order to deceive and confuse you even more. So much lying and hypocrisy out there. Their job was to the cover up the mess until the founders thought of way to exit with clean hands.

So congrats to all that fall for it, i have warned you this day will come 1 year go.
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I will expect the same amount sent from the address returned back to it and not a satoshi less.I will also now expect the matching shitcoin fork amounts attached to that address refunded.
You will receive neither one.

That won't be for you to decide in the end.

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If you failed your own due diligence before investing, then that is your own fault. Roll Eyes

Stop throwing stones while inside the glasshouse.Did you carry out the nescessary due diligence before releasing our funds to this farce?
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From r/NVO FYI

Posted byu/tonbi77
6 hours ago
Update from Ton

I have failed everyone as CEO for not being able to manage the people that should have been working under my management. I have said it before that I consider myself best as a product person and a decent CEO. After this incident my own opinion has changed of myself to being very awful CEO. Along the way, I was lead to believe that a CTO should be in charge of everything in this space and not a CEO. There are certain truths to this statement as the most successful people in this space are usually developers. They tend to not need people like me managing them. Then again, no developer has ever created a popular DEX thus far. I do know the most popular desktop wallet, Exodus, was created by a team that is very strong in product design. They have taken over the older Jaxx wallet that most people was using when there weren't many alternatives.

This is my plan on how I will continue with the NVO project. When the proper vote is up, if everyone agrees on a refund then everyone will be refunded. However, for the people that voted for me to keep working, even if I don’t receive a majority vote, I will still collect your addresses and send you new tokens. You will still get your refunds and new tokens. but you will need to verify these addresses. If there is a refund, we will not work with escrowed funds and continue as usual just through a more paced out approach using personal funds.

As I have discussed on our telegram, it’s important that we set up 3 main components for this project to succeed. A centralized exchange that we will slowly grow liquidity to have it transferred to the DEX when it’s completed while the DEX and wallet are being simultaneously worked on by a different group of developers. As the CEX is already a white label solution, we will not compromise on speed or focus. The white label solution we bought is better than existing top CEXs and can be set up quickly. They were created by the people with the best reputation in this industry. Mike, my consultant, will oversee the multiple projects and it’s development process for a transparent workflow and communication between the community and developers. By transparency, I mean an update on what happens every day and what everyone worked on in full details.

This centralized exchange might deal with fiat if we struggle to find liquidity from just tokens trading pairs alone. If we struggle to compete with tokens trading alone, we will target on less popular fiat markets like Canada to grow our reputation by offering faster settlements for Bitcoin buying and selling. There will be less competition on ads space for us to get noticed by these markets. We will also receive help from another very reputable company in this space as well to help with liquidity that is also based in Canada. I will have a call to discuss with them if we can get more partnerships and OTC trading services on-board.

The wallet is one of the most important components where people will use the DEX. We will advertise the wallet on the CEX's homepage at first for desktop/offline storage of all coins traded on the exchange. We will need at least 1 more month to have something that we can be proud according to the developers that worked on them. The old wallet team were being underpaid and understaffed so if we solve these issues they will work much more faster. The wallet will also be open source and when the DEX is finished it will be advertised on the CEX as well and we will focus more on fiat there.

As for the DEX, we will hire new and existing blockchain developers on our team to brainstorm possible solutions. I will list out all the features and the priority and importance of each feature such as plugin system, minimum volume requirement, transactions per second, trading pairs and order book requirement/offline trading. A rough whitepaper will be required before the development is started and it will be shared within the community. This might take longer so we will have people coding the wallet and exchange while we are exploring DEX solutions. This will be a fun task for developers as they will be challenged to find the best solutions and original implementations to build the DEX. All good developers love working on something cool. The DEX will be also open source.

All funds spent will be updated with the community weekly or daily. This is the plan if we continue the direction without a refund after the vote. If we continue the direction with a refund we will still continue with this approach however we will pace it out over time instead of doing simultaneously tasks.

The entire project will be relaunched under a different name if we can’t get access to the current domain name. Even with access, we may also relaunch under a different name as we do not own the .com version for the project. This could result in phishing problems later in the future. We already have people that can help us hire more blockchain developers to our team and we have existing blockchain developers that we need to talk to and find out if they want to work on the DEX solution.

I'm available on Telegram for any question.
jr. member
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I will expect the same amount sent from the address returned back to it and not a satoshi less.I will also now expect the matching shitcoin fork amounts attached to that address refunded.
You will receive neither one. If you failed your own due diligence before investing, then that is your own fault. Roll Eyes

I have read all your posts regarding a possible refund and all seems firm and fair with the exception of forked coins. What happens to the forked BCH and others that's in the escrows possession?

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Terminated.
I will expect the same amount sent from the address returned back to it and not a satoshi less.I will also now expect the matching shitcoin fork amounts attached to that address refunded.
You will receive neither one. If you failed your own due diligence before investing, then that is your own fault. Roll Eyes
jr. member
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All this happening behind the scenes, and most investors are only told when the circus catches fire. How much incompetence !!
legendary
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Agreed. I'm a sockpuppet, not the newbie account that's making these claims. msktrader15 1 - Chris! 0. You have won the internet. Everyone looks up to you and your 22 posts. Thanks for stopping by.


Of course you are sock puppet.
Who cares about your Hero member status? Maybe those who hadn't read all of your shitposts.
Someday i'll pick up all of your shitty shill posts with proof links in one single comment. Then everyone could see who actually you are.

I'd love to order a printed collage of my posts. Let me know what your price is for a poster shipped to Canada.
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Agreed. I'm a sockpuppet, not the newbie account that's making these claims. msktrader15 1 - Chris! 0. You have won the internet. Everyone looks up to you and your 22 posts. Thanks for stopping by.


Of course you are sock puppet.
Who cares about your Hero member status? Maybe those who hadn't read all of your shitposts.
Someday i'll pick up all of your shitty shill posts with proof links in one single comment. Then everyone could see who actually you are.
jr. member
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Achieve great success. i hope your investments grow and your team gets the reward they deserve.

now that is funny
newbie
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Achieve great success. i hope your investments grow and your team gets the reward they deserve.
jr. member
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Where is this vote taking place? In the dark ? Not all investors are on all communication channels, this is a joke.
legendary
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Keep your Lol to yourself asshole.

No thanks.


Your opinion is as irrelevant as you are.

Your opinion is as irrelevant as you are.

I have read the farcical OP and even the statement about Maidsafe on it breaches the original agreement nullifying any contractual T&C's.Funds released from escrow will legally have to be returned by these clowns to anyone who requests a refund.

"Legally". Cute.

Thanks for the lesson in law in whatever country you live in. Does that also apply to Canada? Algeria? I'd love to hear your take on all of the laws around the world. Please go on about them some more. I'm definitely reading it all.

Refunds should only be sent back in the exact denomination they were sent in to the same address they were sent from.The matching amount of NVST that was given at that time for those funds should also be sent back to the developers

Anyone who sold their NVST loses the amount calculated off the original base cost unless they can replace them to be sent back to the so called developers.

Calculating refunds only based on NVST holdings is fraudulent and allows anyone to buy NVST and enter the refund pool.It also allows developers who have already misappropriated funds and bought NVST to enter the refund pool escalating the fraud.


I hope you enjoy yelling into your echo chamber. Let us all know what difference you made later on. Have a nice life.

Better to not paying attention to piece of shit like Chris also like TSWR, centermissing, radiumsoup (list is not complete) – they reveal themselves as a dirty sock puppets and shills.

Agreed. I'm a sockpuppet, not the newbie account that's making these claims. msktrader15 1 - Chris! 0. You have won the internet. Everyone looks up to you and your 22 posts. Thanks for stopping by.
legendary
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It is absolutely not my job to provide you with information that you think that you are entitled to. My obligations in this situation are as follows: figure out the total funds left, prepare and explain the vote and the refund process. You are confusing the role of an escrow with that of a community manager.


i don't think so. an escrow has to know the amount of BTC that it is accountable for. and the escrow has to know the amounts that have been released. this has nothing to do with community management.
thats why you have to provide the information. if you think that anybody should trust you as an escrow in the future.
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So I propose that the remaining funds that I am entitled to for the previous milestones be released to me so I can continue development of the DEX, and then investors should be refunded everything that is still in escrow as they are entitled to.
The holders (community) will vote (weighted) on where they want the project to go. Neither you nor Ton are currently in the position to make this call.
the community or the investors? weighted according the amount of NVO tokens in the wallets right now or the amount of BTC invested during the ICO?
Holders (which is what the community consists of), not investors. To prevent people from receiving double refunds in cases where, e.g., you invested, then sold everything and now want a refund, this would go based on current NVST holdings.

Note that this was a suggestion by some community member. All options considered, it seems to be the best one.


Refunds should only be sent back in the exact denomination they were sent in to the same address they were sent from.The matching amount of NVST that was given at that time for those funds should also be sent back to the developers

Anyone who sold their NVST loses the amount calculated off the original base cost unless they can replace them to be sent back to the so called developers.

Calculating refunds only based on NVST holdings is fraudulent and allows anyone to buy NVST and enter the refund pool.It also allows developers who have already misappropriated funds and bought NVST to enter the refund pool escalating the fraud.



Are you kidding.  If you sold your NVST you sold any involvements or entitlements.
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So I propose that the remaining funds that I am entitled to for the previous milestones be released to me so I can continue development of the DEX, and then investors should be refunded everything that is still in escrow as they are entitled to.
The holders (community) will vote (weighted) on where they want the project to go. Neither you nor Ton are currently in the position to make this call.
the community or the investors? weighted according the amount of NVO tokens in the wallets right now or the amount of BTC invested during the ICO?
Holders (which is what the community consists of), not investors. To prevent people from receiving double refunds in cases where, e.g., you invested, then sold everything and now want a refund, this would go based on current NVST holdings.

Note that this was a suggestion by some community member. All options considered, it seems to be the best one.


Refunds should only be sent back in the exact denomination they were sent in to the same address they were sent from.The matching amount of NVST that was given at that time for those funds should also be sent back to the developers

Anyone who sold their NVST loses the amount calculated off the original base cost unless they can replace them to be sent back to the so called developers.

Calculating refunds only based on NVST holdings is fraudulent and allows anyone to buy NVST and enter the refund pool.It also allows developers who have already misappropriated funds and bought NVST to enter the refund pool escalating the fraud.



this cannot happen because people used exchanges and not actual wallets

Actually I think people were told not to send from an exchange address and only addresses they held private keys to so yes people should be refunded back to the original address they held the private to otherwise any refund is open to manipulation and potential fraud issues.They should at least be able to confirm this address with a signed message.Any other way would not work without compromising the integrity of the refund process.

Anyone who sent from an exchange or other 3rd party platform they did not have the private key to will have to be accomodated some other way or another possibly with their NVST balance but holders of keys to addresses they send funds to escrows with should only be refunded back to their addresses.
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The holders (community) will vote (weighted) on where they want the project to go. Neither you nor Ton are currently in the position to make this call.

A 72 hours time frame for such a mess will just leave the fate of the project in the hands of a handful of people that hold a large amount of assets. In my opinion if not enough people are represented for the vote a decision that goes towards either of the sides shouldn't be taken, because it's going to be based on what a few whales voted. That's just my opinion and it comes from the fact that a lot of people are not checking the project for updates because the developers have been really poor with communications and deadlines. Bigger holders are more active and interested in this, so they will make moves. Good luck mobilizing the rest 5000 people in three days.

People should just be allowed to decide who they support again by reinvesting if they want to, why this hasn't been considered. Didn't we took enough damage from the founders ignorance and lack of generic approach to the project? I mean, you've seen what a year of progress has brought.

A lot of smaller holders haven't even heard about the project being torn down to pieces. It's going to take several hundreds of people to overthrow a decision made by any of the top 5 whales. I don't think people will mobilize quick enough to react and make the vote fair. Don't expect more than 30% voter turnout, will be curious to see if I am wrong. There's usually systems in place to protect for low voting turnout, is there going to be anything like this here or this is final?

Because if it's final, 2-3 people will decide the project's fate since it's weighted. And it's fair to be weighted since they've put most money in it, that's fine, but I am arguing that there isn't enough time and it has been communicated poorly. At least an extend in time?

Also none of the sides presented any information to help us decide, as far as I am concerned, no one has provided any proof. Just claims against each other.

I agree.  A vote based on the proof-less claims of the divided group that failed us does not make sense.  A refund is the only logical answer.  The project we invested in will never come to fruition according to the terms of our investment.  Let the two remaining leaders continue their projects under a new set of terms and investors.
 
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I "invested" 8BTC into this so called ICO crowsale so I want my 8BTC back.You can keep the Btrash for yourself as it is only a shitcoin along with all other forks but I would like my Bitcoin as in real bitcoin BTC refunded.



Lol. If you didn't read the OP a year ago then I don't feel sorry for you. Maybe now would be a good time to read into and get to understand what you invested in and how the escrows work in this situation.

Keep your Lol to yourself asshole.Your opinion is as irrelevant as you are.I have read the farcical OP and even the statement about Maidsafe on it breaches the original agreement nullifying any contractual T&C's.Funds released from escrow will legally have to be returned by these clowns to anyone who requests a refund.

Better to not paying attention to piece of shit like Chris also like TSWR, centermissing, radiumsoup (list is not complete) – they reveal themselves as a dirty sock puppets and shills.

Don't be an idiot we all invested and are all in the same boat.  I want a refund just as much as you. 
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So I propose that the remaining funds that I am entitled to for the previous milestones be released to me so I can continue development of the DEX, and then investors should be refunded everything that is still in escrow as they are entitled to.
The holders (community) will vote (weighted) on where they want the project to go. Neither you nor Ton are currently in the position to make this call.
the community or the investors? weighted according the amount of NVO tokens in the wallets right now or the amount of BTC invested during the ICO?
Holders (which is what the community consists of), not investors. To prevent people from receiving double refunds in cases where, e.g., you invested, then sold everything and now want a refund, this would go based on current NVST holdings.

Note that this was a suggestion by some community member. All options considered, it seems to be the best one.


Refunds should only be sent back in the exact denomination they were sent in to the same address they were sent from.The matching amount of NVST that was given at that time for those funds should also be sent back to the developers

Anyone who sold their NVST loses the amount calculated off the original base cost unless they can replace them to be sent back to the so called developers.

Calculating refunds only based on NVST holdings is fraudulent and allows anyone to buy NVST and enter the refund pool.It also allows developers who have already misappropriated funds and bought NVST to enter the refund pool escalating the fraud.



this cannot happen because people used exchanges and not actual wallets
hero member
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-nonsense snipped -
So I propose that the remaining funds that I am entitled to for the previous milestones be released to me so I can continue development of the DEX, and then investors should be refunded everything that is still in escrow as they are entitled to.
The holders (community) will vote (weighted) on where they want the project to go. Neither you nor Ton are currently in the position to make this call.
the community or the investors? weighted according the amount of NVO tokens in the wallets right now or the amount of BTC invested during the ICO?
Holders (which is what the community consists of), not investors. To prevent people from receiving double refunds in cases where, e.g., you invested, then sold everything and now want a refund, this would go based on current NVST holdings.

Note that this was a suggestion by some community member. All options considered, it seems to be the best one.


Refunds should only be sent back in the exact denomination they were sent in to the same address they were sent from.The matching amount of NVST that was given at that time for those funds should also be sent back to the developers

Anyone who sold their NVST loses the amount calculated off the original base cost unless they can replace them to be sent back to the so called developers.

Calculating refunds only based on NVST holdings is fraudulent and allows anyone to buy NVST and enter the refund pool.It also allows developers who have already misappropriated funds and bought NVST to enter the refund pool escalating the fraud.

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