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Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency - page 1649. (Read 9723926 times)

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1) idea
2) write & code
3) peer review & test
4) implement
5) tell people about it

Out of curiosity: What is the difference between 2 and 4 in your list?

2 would be a reference implementation, in Python for example, and 4 would be the actual implementation.

OK, but then strictly speaking, you would need another test phase after 4 :-)
legendary
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If he doesn't deliver or if it's broken, he was unethical and in fact did SCAM

dnaleor. I think you need something spelled out to you to save you from making a complete a*s of yourself on these forums for what remains of the year.

Do you see this chart below ? It is a market depth chart.



Its significance to this discussion is that every person on that chart represented by the blue and orange lines, values that asset differently. There is no agreement in the market whatsoever except for the last two solitary traders where the lines meet. The only difference between Market-Depth-Resident-A and dnaleor is that MDR-A does not go round behaving like a religious zealot trying to get the rest of the market to share his position on that chart.

You want to turn this from an exercise in asset valuation into a debate over legitimacy ?

Fine. I’d be happy to because in my opinion there is far more of a basis for calling Monero “scam” than Dash with its faux claims at anonymity, fungibility, privacy and modernity when in fact all you have is obscurity and commercial obscolescence. The fact that I don’t go posting antagonistic attacks and personally maligning known individuals from that project is (a) because I can exercise my opinions in the market and (b) because I understand they are my own priorities and others may legitimately value them differently. (Hence the existence of a market depth profile illustrated above).

In that regard, be advised that there's nothing in your post that isn't already understood by most interested parties around here, it’s just that they are priced in to our valuation (many times over, thanks to its over exposure by now).

You’re concerned that “new investors” won’t know about the instamine ? Well I’m concerned that new investors in all of Dash’s competitors don’t know about their failings as well and I consider them to be far more critical (to the future at least) than Dash's instamine is.

Please do yourself a favour and stop behaving like a spoilt child who can’t get his way. Either deliver an equivalent product to Dash for us to invest in, with identical technical properties, roadmap, managed by Evan Duffield, free of any launch issues or pick yourself a place on that market depth chart and live with it like everyone else. More importantly, please afford others that courtesy for it was the investors that instructed the developer to continue the project and not restart it. It is the investors who are the authority on whether they were ‘scammed’ or not and it is the investors who will determine what the ‘price’ of the launch failings were relative to the asset’s perceived strengths.

Finally, it’s important for markets to have full information. But 5-10 people spamming every known media channel available to them with hate filled, personalised malignant bile or even hammering away at one fact to the exclusion of all others is not a service to markets.

It is a vendetta, and you are to be condemned for it.

donator
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GetMonero.org / MyMonero.com
1) idea
2) write & code
3) peer review & test
4) implement
5) tell people about it

Out of curiosity: What is the difference between 2 and 4 in your list?

2 would be a reference implementation, in Python for example, and 4 would be the actual implementation.
full member
Activity: 127
Merit: 100
just floating a photo of a slide with no context and some scattered hints in forums doesn't cut it.

Sounds like you kinda missed this:

Evan Duffield Explains Dash Technology and Announces Evolution at Bitcoin Wednesday

No, I saw it. But it didn't really add much to the photo we had already seen. There were a couple of hints in the QA video, if you had the patience to sit through it, but nothing I'd call substantial
legendary
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http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/10/european-parliament-votes-to-shield-snowden-from-extradition-to-us/

My favorite part:

Quote
"Our position has not changed," said Ned Price, a spokesman for the National Security Council.

Not changed, just made irrelevant.
full member
Activity: 127
Merit: 100
1) idea
2) write & code
3) peer review & test
4) implement
5) tell people about it

Out of curiosity: What is the difference between 2 and 4 in your list?
sr. member
Activity: 465
Merit: 250
just floating a photo of a slide with no context and some scattered hints in forums doesn't cut it.

Sounds like you kinda missed this:

Evan Duffield Explains Dash Technology and Announces Evolution at Bitcoin Wednesday
legendary
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Merit: 1004
Flying cultist
...
Proselytising your religion and denouncing this "cult" with flyers is weirdly impressive. I don't think any of us Dashtards take things THAT seriously...But if you flew there especially.. well that's just the next level of disturbed.

but whatever makes you happy..


This is so funny.
They are so emotional about their honey pot.
Funny, silly moroneros cultists.

Edit: go Dash  Cheesy

Ahahahh really funny. I got the chance to read what they're saying because all the quoting and WoW they really live in a very very small world...
I'm not even sure if they can't understand the actual Dash source code or are just circle jerking their agenda... amazing  Grin
legendary
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Merit: 1000
Want privacy? Use Monero!
Every idea is vaporware at some point, it's not like we can think of something and magically it appears.
I agree, but you don't go on stage and start selling your idea before it's implemented.
We aren't talking about shares in a company here, we are talking about currency.

1) idea
2) write & code
3) peer review & test
4) implement
5) tell people about it

Don't start telling people about your idea (and try to get them to buy/pump your coin) before even releasing a paper.


I understand your frustration with things like this, but like all businesses and companies I've been around they all blab their idea's and then try to make them into reality.  It's very hard to follow through with any idea, I struggle with my business daily.  But it doesn't mean it won't happen.


To give an example, we can look at the USA presidential debates, they all promise things and basically give no supporting evidence it can be done.  But something comes out for better or worse.

There are winners and losers in every race, in every business.  

the thing with a cryptocurrency is:
if you are selling it before testing the security and something goes wrong, a lot of people will loose money...
So start selling it after testing, that is the logical sequence.

edit: yeah, I know, businesses can fail also...
But cryptocurrencies can at least be tested and reviewed before launching it (or launching new features)

I get it, I really do, but I think all crypto is failing us in this aspect.  They all present amazing stuff and most of it is junk, but got to have faith sometimes.  So invest wisely.  

What if I told you there are a few currencies that are taking the serious approach of testing it first, trying to write a decent paper about it and then implementing it?
full member
Activity: 127
Merit: 100
Every idea is vaporware at some point, it's not like we can think of something and magically it appears.
I agree, but you don't go on stage and start selling your idea before it's implemented.
We aren't talking about shares in a company here, we are talking about currency.

1) idea
2) write & code
3) peer review & test
4) implement
5) tell people about it

Don't start telling people about your idea (and try to get them to buy/pump your coin) before even releasing a paper.


What you're proposing is the academic way of doing it, and they are using the startup way of doing it. Both approaches are fine, and both require some sort of funding. Since they've adapted the virtual corporation slogan (and there are not really any research grants they could apply for), it was kind of obvious that they'd rather take the startup route.

But of course they still should release information in a timely and concise manner, just floating a photo of a slide with no context and some scattered hints in forums doesn't cut it.
hero member
Activity: 615
Merit: 501
Flying cultist
...
Proselytising your religion and denouncing this "cult" with flyers is weirdly impressive. I don't think any of us Dashtards take things THAT seriously...But if you flew there especially.. well that's just the next level of disturbed.

but whatever makes you happy..


This is so funny.
They are so emotional about their honey pot.
Funny, silly moroneros cultists.

Edit: go Dash  Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 1470
Merit: 1000
Want privacy? Use Monero!
Every idea is vaporware at some point, it's not like we can think of something and magically it appears.
I agree, but you don't go on stage and start selling your idea before it's implemented.
We aren't talking about shares in a company here, we are talking about currency.

1) idea
2) write & code
3) peer review & test
4) implement
5) tell people about it

Don't start telling people about your idea (and try to get them to buy/pump your coin) before even releasing a paper.


I understand your frustration with things like this, but like all businesses and companies I've been around they all blab their idea's and then try to make them into reality.  It's very hard to follow through with any idea, I struggle with my business daily.  But it doesn't mean it won't happen.


To give an example, we can look at the USA presidential debates, they all promise things and basically give no supporting evidence it can be done.  But something comes out for better or worse.

There are winners and losers in every race, in every business.  

the thing with a cryptocurrency is:
if you are selling it before testing the security and something goes wrong, a lot of people will loose money...
So start selling it after testing, that is the logical sequence.

edit: yeah, I know, businesses can fail also...
But cryptocurrencies can at least be tested and reviewed before launching it (or launching new features)
sr. member
Activity: 465
Merit: 250
The tech behind DASH is flawed.

No and I will show why by deconstructing every single of your "arguments", flying Dutchman.

Ever tried to mix a few DASH? It takes hours.


So? What's your point? That not enough people participate yet? Oh wow, the tech must be flawed because it depends on more people. Guess what, that's what makes the whole thing DEcentralized despite you incessantly claiming the opposite

Without the "liquidity providers" (weak spot!) it would take days...

Brilliant conclusion. LPs being a "weak spot" however has no basis except a lousy exclamation mark so I won't dignify it any further.


Your mixing on centralized masternodes (not anonymous)

You can continue to call full nodes in a decentralized cryptocurrency with the same exact properties as bitcoin full nodes "centralized" all day. Doesn't make your statement any less a lie.

Your masternodes are basically making the richer more rich. Fair?

Welcome to capitalism, Einstein! DASH is not a communist paradise. The only thing a sane reader takes away from this stupid remark is envy.

InstantX isn't secure. You need to wait for block confrmations to be sure it won't be reversed.

It was never advertised as secure, it was advertised as fast. Strawmen arguments don't help your case. Furthermore the security still rests on PoW so it's just as secure as BTC.

I'm eagerly waiting for the Evolution paper, so we can all check the claims evan makes...

We all do, but looking at Evan's track record, you should prepare your butthole.

At the moment, he is pumping vaporware.

1. Evan isn't "pumping". If anything your crowd of idiots is trying and miserably failing to devalue DASH. Evan simply announces progress and ignores the flying fuck out of you while working on the next big thing.

2. The term "vaporware" can be applied to any software ever announced until it's actually released so your sentence is completely void of any information.

What I am eagerly waiting for is your next batch of flyers. Does your printer have an extra opening for toilet rolls btw?
legendary
Activity: 1470
Merit: 1000
Want privacy? Use Monero!
Every idea is vaporware at some point, it's not like we can think of something and magically it appears.
I agree, but you don't go on stage and start selling your idea before it's implemented.
We aren't talking about shares in a company here, we are talking about currency.

1) idea
2) write & code
3) peer review & test
4) implement
5) tell people about it

Don't start telling people about your idea (and try to get them to buy/pump your coin) before even releasing a paper.
hero member
Activity: 560
Merit: 500
I think the only way forward is to have a privacy centered cryptocurrency conference. We could have geek sports. Dash, monero and whoever else worth a damn.

Lets settle this like adults. With drink.

legendary
Activity: 1470
Merit: 1024

The tech behind DASH is flawed.

Ever tried to mix a few DASH? It takes hours. Without the "liquidity providers" (weak spot!) it would take days...
Your mixing on centralized masternodes (not anonymous)
Your masternodes are basically making the richer more rich. Fair?
InstantX isn't secure. You need to wait for block confrmations to be sure it won't be reversed.

I'm eagerly waiting for the Evolution paper, so we can all check the claims evan makes...
At the moment, he is pumping vaporware.

 why this concerns you ? is this help Monero growing? Do you really think that to discredit DASH will help MONERO?
hero member
Activity: 560
Merit: 500

Did I ever deny to have handed out those flyers? I don't think so.

And I don't regret it. I exposed some facts that day to people who didn't know about the instamine.
I handed out those flyers to people who asked me for more info on the instamine after I asked a question and to some people who asked some critical questions themselves to Evan during Q&A. I didn't force my flyers in the face of DASH-believers (because that would be a waste).

Please tell me you live in Amersterdam...

I mean flyering the dash event does get some sort of ultralame Kudos.
Proselytising your religion and denouncing this "cult" with flyers is weirdly impressive. I don't think any of us Dashtards take things THAT seriously...But if you flew there especially.. well that's just the next level of disturbed.

but whatever makes you happy..
legendary
Activity: 1470
Merit: 1000
Want privacy? Use Monero!
--instamine--


Baby i am sorry but you are brainless because you and all monero dogs dont know anything beside instamine. Try some other things ...



The tech behind DASH is flawed.

Ever tried to mix a few DASH? It takes hours. Without the "liquidity providers" (weak spot!) it would take days...
Your mixing on centralized masternodes (not anonymous)
Your masternodes are basically making the richer more rich. Fair?
InstantX isn't secure. You need to wait for block confrmations to be sure it won't be reversed.

I'm eagerly waiting for the Evolution paper, so we can all check the claims evan makes...
At the moment, he is pumping vaporware.
legendary
Activity: 1470
Merit: 1000
Want privacy? Use Monero!
Isn't it common knowledge by now that Trolleros never practice what they preach? Ninjamine, promising GUI, devs with the moral integrity of swiss cheese and now this



The first round of submitting papers for review just started.
There isn't one paper published by ledger yet.

But I suggest that Evan does try to submit it. I'm pretty sure Shen will try to get his paper published about RingCT once it's finished and, more importantly, before it's implemented.
legendary
Activity: 1470
Merit: 1024
--instamine--


Baby i am sorry but you are brainless because you and all monero dogs dont know anything beside instamine. Try some other things ...

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