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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
June 29, 2014, 07:25:14 AM
#40185
Quote from: r3wt on June 29, 2014, 07:09:48 AM

he read it on the internet, it must be true

Which reminds me. How are your SHA256 ASICs working out to mine Darkcoin? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=669634.20


And another gem from this faggot in the Darkcoin "2 million scam" thread

Quote from: r3wt on June 29, 2014, 07:05:38 AM
No amount of whining will stop the scam. Beat them in the market, expose flaws in their technology(working on it as a personal project ), or post non stop in their thread. You'll find most of them are morons and will give up after you thoroughly ha d them their asses.


And you wonder why these fags never post in the real scam threads where it is PoS for 3 days and then Bitcoins galore. NiteSend, VeriSend, CloakSend, Xnodes, StupidSend, SuperSend.
ddink7
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
June 29, 2014, 07:22:26 AM
#40184
Quote from: TanteStefana2 on June 29, 2014, 06:52:04 AM
Quote from: hashmoon on June 29, 2014, 06:42:19 AM

+1 .. ' zerocoin uses untested cutting-edge cryptography which could prove to be insecure with a centralized server that functions as an accumulator ' - please read https://medium.com/@simon/the-bright-side-of-darkcoin-a923facddc3c

Not to mention that when quantum computers become a reality, they'll be able to unencrypt all transactions in that blockchain, leaving your past open for anyone to see.

maybe that doesn't matter anymore by then?

Quantum computers can't break SHA256 and RIPEMD160 (or at least they shouldn't be able to) so you're fine as long as you've never spent any money from your bitcoin address (so your pub key is still unknown). Once your public key becomes known (i.e. you've spent money), then a quantum computer could trivially break the ECC encryption that protects your private key.

Remember, your address is NOT your public key. Your address is a double hash (SHA256 + RIPEMD160) of your private key. If you use bitcoin as intended, every time you spend, your remaining funds are sent to a new change address whose pubkey is unknown to the network.

Known pubkey >> break ECC >> private key...trivial when using Shor's Algorithm in polynomial time
Unknown pubkey >> break SHA256 & RIPEMD160 >> private key...currently not believed to be possible even with Shor's Algorithm
georgem
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
June 29, 2014, 07:19:52 AM
#40183
Quote from: TanteStefana2 on June 29, 2014, 06:52:04 AM
Quote from: hashmoon on June 29, 2014, 06:42:19 AM

+1 .. ' zerocoin uses untested cutting-edge cryptography which could prove to be insecure with a centralized server that functions as an accumulator ' - please read https://medium.com/@simon/the-bright-side-of-darkcoin-a923facddc3c

Not to mention that when quantum computers become a reality, they'll be able to unencrypt all transactions in that blockchain, leaving your past open for anyone to see.

maybe that doesn't matter anymore by then?

The thing with quantum computers is, while they certainly can break todays encryption, they will also be able to create NEW ENCRYPTIONS to secure things even more.

What makes you think that once quantum computers are established they will not be made the biggest business sold to every household everywhere, as it has always been done with every electronic device ever?

I look forward to quantum computers or whatever new thing there will be in the next decades.
Free market enterprises will make trillions selling those devices to you and me and eveybody else.

I just hope there will be somekind of smooth transition, that will not make cryptocurrencies unusable
r3wt
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
June 29, 2014, 07:09:48 AM
#40182
Quote from: Chronikka on June 29, 2014, 06:54:43 AM
Quote from: TanteStefana2 on June 29, 2014, 06:52:04 AM
Quote from: hashmoon on June 29, 2014, 06:42:19 AM

+1 .. ' zerocoin uses untested cutting-edge cryptography which could prove to be insecure with a centralized server that functions as an accumulator ' - please read https://medium.com/@simon/the-bright-side-of-darkcoin-a923facddc3c

Not to mention that when quantum computers become a reality, they'll be able to unencrypt all transactions in that blockchain, leaving your past open for anyone to see.

maybe that doesn't matter anymore by then?

Quantum computers could break the encryption that secures a lot of things. I doubt they will target Bitcoin
he read it on the internet, it must be true
coins101
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
June 29, 2014, 07:09:30 AM
#40181
Quote from: chaeplin on June 29, 2014, 06:30:42 AM
Quote from: dewdeded on June 29, 2014, 06:12:08 AM
I scanned the whole MasterNode list 3 times yesterday.
Only 200 till 220 MasterNodes are actually working. (Depending on day time.)


Are the offline/inactive 50% turned off as backup ressource or disguise (and get randomly turned on?)? Or are they misconfigured or is the list wrong?




Why did you do that ??

We have wonderful tool for that.

https://elbzo.net/masternodes.html
Darkcoin MasterNodes Monitoring (last refresh 2014-06-29 11:28:06 / refresh every 1min)



424 Active around 16hrs ago, 474 active now  Cool
roede94105
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
June 29, 2014, 07:07:45 AM
#40180
Quote from: chaeplin on June 29, 2014, 06:56:24 AM
Quote from: roede94105 on June 29, 2014, 06:40:07 AM
Quote from: chaeplin on June 29, 2014, 06:30:42 AM
Quote from: dewdeded on June 29, 2014, 06:12:08 AM
I scanned the whole MasterNode list 3 times yesterday.
Only 200 till 220 MasterNodes are actually working. (Depending on day time.)


Are the offline/inactive 50% turned off as backup ressource or disguise (and get randomly turned on?)? Or are they misconfigured or is the list wrong?




Why did you do that ??

We have wonderful tool for that.

https://elbzo.net/masternodes.html
Darkcoin MasterNodes Monitoring (last refresh 2014-06-29 11:28:06 / refresh every 1min)



I have port check: closed, is that a problem? everything else is green except darkcoin.io: unlisted

If port is closed somehow, nothing happens if the NM is not selected for DarkSend master.
If the NM is selected, DarkSend client tries to connect the NM.
If DarkSend client can't connect the NM, Masternode re-election msg is broadcasted.

I don't know yet, whether port problem will affect score of “top 10 masternodes”  

https://www.darkcointalk.org/threads/rc4-development-and-path-going-forward.1604/

Quote
New enforcement strategy

Over the last few days we’ve been looking at a few different options to enforce Masternode payments in RC4. We’ve settled on a brand new implementation that is much more simple, yet robust enough to protect the network.

Each round, a winning Masternode is chosen to carry out Darksend transactions. This process is carried out by the individual nodes across the network independently using the masternode election algorithm. This algorithm chooses a winning node for Darksend, but there is also a runner up, third, forth, fifth place, etc.

Utilizing this code, we can make a deterministic list of the “top 10 masternodes” with the winning scores. These will be the same nodes accross the network and they will vote on who they believe should get paid for that round. The winning Masternode will be the one with the most votes (up to 10 votes) and the network will reject blocks not containing that payment entry.


Other functionality

RC4 will also still include improvements to the anonymity of Darksend. After the implementation phase is complete we will begin by testing the non-enforcement / enforcement switch and the new anonymity layer on testnet.

okay thanks, will look into it
chaeplin
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
June 29, 2014, 06:56:24 AM
#40179
Quote from: roede94105 on June 29, 2014, 06:40:07 AM
Quote from: chaeplin on June 29, 2014, 06:30:42 AM
Quote from: dewdeded on June 29, 2014, 06:12:08 AM
I scanned the whole MasterNode list 3 times yesterday.
Only 200 till 220 MasterNodes are actually working. (Depending on day time.)


Are the offline/inactive 50% turned off as backup ressource or disguise (and get randomly turned on?)? Or are they misconfigured or is the list wrong?




Why did you do that ??

We have wonderful tool for that.

https://elbzo.net/masternodes.html
Darkcoin MasterNodes Monitoring (last refresh 2014-06-29 11:28:06 / refresh every 1min)



I have port check: closed, is that a problem? everything else is green except darkcoin.io: unlisted

If port is closed somehow, nothing happens if the NM is not selected for DarkSend master.
If the NM is selected, DarkSend client tries to connect the NM.
If DarkSend client can't connect the NM, Masternode re-election msg is broadcasted.

I don't know yet, whether port problem will affect score of “top 10 masternodes”  

https://www.darkcointalk.org/threads/rc4-development-and-path-going-forward.1604/

Quote from: eduffield on April 28, 2014, 07:56:11 AM
Quote from: AlexGR on April 28, 2014, 05:01:26 AM
I think it was mentioned, in the discussion between evan/anonymint that by darksending it multiple times through a number of nodes it reduces the bad-actor probabilities to a statistically safe degree to solve the issue that the darksend node knows who sends what.

I think I have a better solution than that, I want to turn the masternodes into I2P relays for darkcoin. So your client will pick one when you start, then relay any messages through that one. It encrypts all of the traffic, removes the connection between IP and address and it the blockchain is still a complete fog. Plus it'll be a private I2P, so it'll be super fast. Masternodes are going to be awesome  Grin

innergy
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
June 29, 2014, 06:55:57 AM
#40178
Quote from: PoS on June 29, 2014, 02:05:06 AM
Quote from: shfc on June 28, 2014, 11:54:22 PM
who dump ?why dump dark? Huh
No one likes a king-peasant set-up.
The masters sitting on there fat asses and get payed endless free darks with there 50 or more masternotes. The peasant can fork out hard earned cash to buy into it. Servants revolting and moving to Vericoin or other coins and become masters themselves. Dark is old tech.

I could mine more DRKs with a $10k mining rig then lock'em in a masternode.
Miners hasn't anything to complain..
buy4crypto
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
June 29, 2014, 06:55:10 AM
#40177
Added fourth DarkCoin faucet at FreeDarkCoins.com

3/4 are currently inactive though.

Does anyone have more DarkCoin Faucets I can help promote for you?

We are starting to get a bit of organic growth and your faucet will be displayed prominently.

Thx in advance!
Chronikka
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
June 29, 2014, 06:54:43 AM
#40176
Quote from: TanteStefana2 on June 29, 2014, 06:52:04 AM
Quote from: hashmoon on June 29, 2014, 06:42:19 AM

+1 .. ' zerocoin uses untested cutting-edge cryptography which could prove to be insecure with a centralized server that functions as an accumulator ' - please read https://medium.com/@simon/the-bright-side-of-darkcoin-a923facddc3c

Not to mention that when quantum computers become a reality, they'll be able to unencrypt all transactions in that blockchain, leaving your past open for anyone to see.

maybe that doesn't matter anymore by then?

Quantum computers could break the encryption that secures a lot of things. I doubt they will target Bitcoin
TanteStefana2
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
June 29, 2014, 06:52:04 AM
#40175
Quote from: hashmoon on June 29, 2014, 06:42:19 AM

+1 .. ' zerocoin uses untested cutting-edge cryptography which could prove to be insecure with a centralized server that functions as an accumulator ' - please read https://medium.com/@simon/the-bright-side-of-darkcoin-a923facddc3c

Not to mention that when quantum computers become a reality, they'll be able to unencrypt all transactions in that blockchain, leaving your past open for anyone to see.

maybe that doesn't matter anymore by then?
hashmoon
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
June 29, 2014, 06:42:19 AM
#40174
Quote from: zombie6 on June 29, 2014, 05:49:52 AM
Quote from: r3wt on June 29, 2014, 05:44:31 AM
Quote from: AlexGR on June 29, 2014, 05:24:16 AM
Quote from: r3wt on June 29, 2014, 03:54:17 AM
Again, just to reiterate on the piece of my post you didn't address, I do not like the centralized nature of the Masternode setup at Darkcoin, BUT , many coins have a centralized aspect, such as checkpointing servers in some POS coins. the way i see it, masternodes and checkpoint servers may be a necessary evil. So all in all i guess the Masternode setup isn't a big deal, so long as it offers no unfair disadvantage to common miners.

The concept of center, is that it is singular. It is a single point where all the other things revolve around / are based upon etc.

Checkpointing is centralization because there is one point where the network uses to align itself.

Masternodes are like ...500.

500 is not a single point / a center. There is no "center". There are 500 masternodes all over the globe.

If there was one masternode that did the mixing, it would be centralized mixing.

If there are 500-1000 nodes all over the world that operate in a p2p fashion, it is not centralization.

If the government can go to one place (center) and take down the system = centralization / client-server model - with the server-mixer being the single point of reliance.

If the government can't do that because it has to shut 500 nodes all over the world = decentralization / p2p model - with every node adding to network resilience.
congratulations you've successfully split a cunt hair.
the master node setup is still a centralized structure reliant upon trust. The current abundance of nodes strengthens your argument in favor of dark send but this goes against the entire concept of trusless regulatory consensus algorithms. Which is the key point I want to make here. Dark send is the appliance of provably corruptible centralized regulatory coin mixing services on top of a brilliant trustless decentralized regulatory consensus algorithm. Zerocoin is the future, not dark send. The transaction mixing needs to become apart of the algorithm its self not on centralized masternode servers.


zerocoin? that project is hardly active, DRK has to offer the best privacy still and possibly for a long time to come

+1 .. ' zerocoin uses untested cutting-edge cryptography which could prove to be insecure with a centralized server that functions as an accumulator ' - please read https://medium.com/@simon/the-bright-side-of-darkcoin-a923facddc3c
roede94105
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
June 29, 2014, 06:40:07 AM
#40173
Quote from: chaeplin on June 29, 2014, 06:30:42 AM
Quote from: dewdeded on June 29, 2014, 06:12:08 AM
I scanned the whole MasterNode list 3 times yesterday.
Only 200 till 220 MasterNodes are actually working. (Depending on day time.)


Are the offline/inactive 50% turned off as backup ressource or disguise (and get randomly turned on?)? Or are they misconfigured or is the list wrong?




Why did you do that ??

We have wonderful tool for that.

https://elbzo.net/masternodes.html
Darkcoin MasterNodes Monitoring (last refresh 2014-06-29 11:28:06 / refresh every 1min)



I have port check: closed, is that a problem? everything else is green except darkcoin.io: unlisted
r3wt
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
June 29, 2014, 06:35:07 AM
#40172
Quote from: AlexGR on June 29, 2014, 05:52:46 AM
Quote from: r3wt on June 29, 2014, 05:44:31 AM
congratulations you've successfully split a cunt hair.
the master node setup is still a centralized structure reliant upon trust.

Trust only in the sense of transaction knowledge, not in the sense of a transaction being trusted.

Quote
The current abundance of nodes strengthens your argument in favor of dark send but this goes against the entire concept of trustless regulatory consensus algorithms.

Not really. Each people who have a consensus to mix their coins / transactions and are using a non-centralized (not 1 center) matchmaker to do so.

Btw, masternodes can be used for other things beyond DarkSend.

Quote
Which is the key point I want to make here. Dark send is the appliance of provably corruptible centralized regulatory coin mixing services on top of a brilliant trustless decentralized regulatory consensus algorithm. Zerocoin is the future, not dark send. The transaction mixing needs to become apart of the algorithm its self not on centralized masternode servers.

- Trusted accumulator
- Zero proofs non quantum resistant (=not very future-proof)

There is no perfect solution for anonymity.
chaeplin
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
June 29, 2014, 06:30:42 AM
#40171
Quote from: dewdeded on June 29, 2014, 06:12:08 AM
I scanned the whole MasterNode list 3 times yesterday.
Only 200 till 220 MasterNodes are actually working. (Depending on day time.)


Are the offline/inactive 50% turned off as backup ressource or disguise (and get randomly turned on?)? Or are they misconfigured or is the list wrong?




Why did you do that ??

We have wonderful tool for that.

https://elbzo.net/masternodes.html
Darkcoin MasterNodes Monitoring (last refresh 2014-06-29 11:28:06 / refresh every 1min)

gadado
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
June 29, 2014, 06:28:01 AM
#40170
Just saw I got my first MN payment this morning...

Took a little long (how many hours since payment started?) and it's just 10% of those few lucky that already got 10 payouts
..But at least I know now that my MN works and can get payed "accidently".  Cheesy

All the best luck to those that are still in the "Never got a payout Club".
I know that this is a demotivating situation. :/
TanteStefana2
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
June 29, 2014, 06:27:12 AM
#40169
Yes, dewdeded, how do you scan them like that?

I just lost confidence and decided to redo my masternode.  I changed the IP address, the masternode private key and the account # that holds the dark.

Now I'm getting constant misbehaving notices.  Everyone seems to think I'm misbehaving!  LOL.  Crazy!

Can you teach us how to scan like that please?
dewdeded
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
June 29, 2014, 06:25:17 AM
#40168
Quote from: dotnetmin on June 29, 2014, 06:15:59 AM
How did you see only around 200..220 are working ?
Probing the MN list: If host online + Port 9999 open => MN active.


Most down/inactive/unreachble MNs are from Amazon IPs.
---> Some folks aka MN admins, didn't assigned static IPs for (aka "Elastic IPs" in Amazon speech) for their AWS instances.
---> When Amazon changes IPs these MNs arent reachable anymore under the MN IP they are listed in MN list or "known in the DarkCoin network".


UdjinM6
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
June 29, 2014, 06:24:39 AM
#40167
Quote from: dotnetmin on June 29, 2014, 06:15:59 AM
Quote from: dewdeded on June 29, 2014, 06:12:08 AM
I scanned the whole MasterNode list 3 times yesterday.
Only 200 till 220 MasterNodes are actually working. (Depending on day time.)


Are the offline/inactive 50% turned off as backup ressource or disguise (and get randomly turned on?)? Or are they misconfigured or is the list wrong?



How did you see only around 200..220 are working ?

wondering too
counted by sv01 - 422 active(+), 100 inactive(-)
http://drk.poolhash.org/masternode.html
dotnetmin
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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
June 29, 2014, 06:15:59 AM
#40166
Quote from: dewdeded on June 29, 2014, 06:12:08 AM
I scanned the whole MasterNode list 3 times yesterday.
Only 200 till 220 MasterNodes are actually working. (Depending on day time.)


Are the offline/inactive 50% turned off as backup ressource or disguise (and get randomly turned on?)? Or are they misconfigured or is the list wrong?



How did you see only around 200..220 are working ?
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