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legendary
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I respect what is being done here, but Satoshi has enlightened us the importance of consensus algorithms. Centralized and hierarchal systems are outdated and have no room in this space. In time all things centralized in our world will be replaced with trustless regulatory algoriths, all in the vein of bitcoin

Even shatoshi's algorithms need nodes to run.
legendary
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I scanned the whole MasterNode list 3 times yesterday.
Only 200 till 220 MasterNodes are actually working. (Depending on day time.)


Are the offline/inactive 50% turned off as backup ressource or disguise (and get randomly turned on?)? Or are they misconfigured or is the list wrong?

hero member
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always the student, never the master.
Again, just to reiterate on the piece of my post you didn't address, I do not like the centralized nature of the Masternode setup at Darkcoin, BUT , many coins have a centralized aspect, such as checkpointing servers in some POS coins. the way i see it, masternodes and checkpoint servers may be a necessary evil. So all in all i guess the Masternode setup isn't a big deal, so long as it offers no unfair disadvantage to common miners.

The concept of center, is that it is singular. It is a single point where all the other things revolve around / are based upon etc.

Checkpointing is centralization because there is one point where the network uses to align itself.

Masternodes are like ...500.

500 is not a single point / a center. There is no "center". There are 500 masternodes all over the globe.

If there was one masternode that did the mixing, it would be centralized mixing.

If there are 500-1000 nodes all over the world that operate in a p2p fashion, it is not centralization.

If the government can go to one place (center) and take down the system = centralization / client-server model - with the server-mixer being the single point of reliance.

If the government can't do that because it has to shut 500 nodes all over the world = decentralization / p2p model - with every node adding to network resilience.
congratulations you've successfully split a cunt hair.
the master node setup is still a centralized structure reliant upon trust. The current abundance of nodes strengthens your argument in favor of dark send but this goes against the entire concept of trusless regulatory consensus algorithms. Which is the key point I want to make here. Dark send is the appliance of provably corruptible centralized regulatory coin mixing services on top of a brilliant trustless decentralized regulatory consensus algorithm. Zerocoin is the future, not dark send. The transaction mixing needs to become apart of the algorithm its self not on centralized masternode servers.


zerocoin? that project is hardly active, DRK has to offer the best privacy still and possibly for a long time to come
false. True privacy can never come from centralized systems that require trust. Only decentralized regulatory algorithms are probably secure, and that statement can be extended to privacy features.

I respect what is being done here, but Satoshi has enlightened us the importance of consensus algorithms. Centralized and hierarchal systems are outdated and have no room in this space. In time all things centralized in our world will be replaced with trustless regulatory algoriths, all in the vein of bitcoin
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1005
DASH is the future of crypto payments!
EDIT (6/28/2014)
New clients have been released and more changes have been made. Current versions are v9.11.5 and v10.11.5. It is important that all solo-miners and pool operators update to the correct clients! Miners make the network work, and as such you need to use the right client versions, stay up to date and keep our blockchain healthy and stable!

You can find the new client software on the official downloads page of www.Darkcoin.io.

https://www.darkcoin.io/getstarted.html

*** PLEASE UPDATE TO 9.11.5 OR 10.11.5 ***

Windows Users:
v9.11.5
v10.11.5

Linux Users:
Ubuntu v10.11.5 GUI Wallet/Client
Ubuntu v10.11.5 Darkcoind Daemon

Mac Users:
v9.11.5 Wallet/Client

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/please-update-your-darkcoin-clients.1602/
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legendary
Activity: 1708
Merit: 1049
congratulations you've successfully split a cunt hair.
the master node setup is still a centralized structure reliant upon trust.

Trust only in the sense of transaction knowledge, not in the sense of a transaction being trusted.

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The current abundance of nodes strengthens your argument in favor of dark send but this goes against the entire concept of trustless regulatory consensus algorithms.

Not really. Each people who have a consensus to mix their coins / transactions and are using a non-centralized (not 1 center) matchmaker to do so.

Btw, masternodes can be used for other things beyond DarkSend.

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Which is the key point I want to make here. Dark send is the appliance of provably corruptible centralized regulatory coin mixing services on top of a brilliant trustless decentralized regulatory consensus algorithm. Zerocoin is the future, not dark send. The transaction mixing needs to become apart of the algorithm its self not on centralized masternode servers.

- Trusted accumulator
- Zero proofs non quantum resistant (=not very future-proof)

There is no perfect solution for anonymity.
sr. member
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Again, just to reiterate on the piece of my post you didn't address, I do not like the centralized nature of the Masternode setup at Darkcoin, BUT , many coins have a centralized aspect, such as checkpointing servers in some POS coins. the way i see it, masternodes and checkpoint servers may be a necessary evil. So all in all i guess the Masternode setup isn't a big deal, so long as it offers no unfair disadvantage to common miners.

The concept of center, is that it is singular. It is a single point where all the other things revolve around / are based upon etc.

Checkpointing is centralization because there is one point where the network uses to align itself.

Masternodes are like ...500.

500 is not a single point / a center. There is no "center". There are 500 masternodes all over the globe.

If there was one masternode that did the mixing, it would be centralized mixing.

If there are 500-1000 nodes all over the world that operate in a p2p fashion, it is not centralization.

If the government can go to one place (center) and take down the system = centralization / client-server model - with the server-mixer being the single point of reliance.

If the government can't do that because it has to shut 500 nodes all over the world = decentralization / p2p model - with every node adding to network resilience.
congratulations you've successfully split a cunt hair.
the master node setup is still a centralized structure reliant upon trust. The current abundance of nodes strengthens your argument in favor of dark send but this goes against the entire concept of trusless regulatory consensus algorithms. Which is the key point I want to make here. Dark send is the appliance of provably corruptible centralized regulatory coin mixing services on top of a brilliant trustless decentralized regulatory consensus algorithm. Zerocoin is the future, not dark send. The transaction mixing needs to become apart of the algorithm its self not on centralized masternode servers.


zerocoin? that project is hardly active, DRK has to offer the best privacy still and possibly for a long time to come
hero member
Activity: 686
Merit: 504
always the student, never the master.
Again, just to reiterate on the piece of my post you didn't address, I do not like the centralized nature of the Masternode setup at Darkcoin, BUT , many coins have a centralized aspect, such as checkpointing servers in some POS coins. the way i see it, masternodes and checkpoint servers may be a necessary evil. So all in all i guess the Masternode setup isn't a big deal, so long as it offers no unfair disadvantage to common miners.

The concept of center, is that it is singular. It is a single point where all the other things revolve around / are based upon etc.

Checkpointing is centralization because there is one point where the network uses to align itself.

Masternodes are like ...500.

500 is not a single point / a center. There is no "center". There are 500 masternodes all over the globe.

If there was one masternode that did the mixing, it would be centralized mixing.

If there are 500-1000 nodes all over the world that operate in a p2p fashion, it is not centralization.

If the government can go to one place (center) and take down the system = centralization / client-server model - with the server-mixer being the single point of reliance.

If the government can't do that because it has to shut 500 nodes all over the world = decentralization / p2p model - with every node adding to network resilience.
congratulations you've successfully split a cunt hair.
the master node setup is still a centralized structure reliant upon trust. The current abundance of nodes strengthens your argument in favor of dark send but this goes against the entire concept of trusless regulatory consensus algorithms. Which is the key point I want to make here. Dark send is the appliance of provably corruptible centralized regulatory coin mixing services on top of a brilliant trustless decentralized regulatory consensus algorithm. Zerocoin is the future, not dark send. The transaction mixing needs to become apart of the algorithm its self not on centralized masternode servers.

I understand the technical challenge this presents. Maybe at some point in the future the developer will understand the reason why the system must
 remain completely decentralized and discover how to make the mixer built into the client instead of depenc on centralized middle ware.
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
Thanks Chaeplin.  Smiley.  Seems like SV01 to 5 is picking up different MN status to official?

Yes.
official provides only ip address of active NM.
sv01 ~ sv05 collect all info and use pubkey as key.

Are SV01 to 5 on 10.11.5?

V0.9.11.5.

First table has.

http://drk.poolhash.org/masternode.html

ahh, thanks. I missed the version number. Any ideas why sv01 to 5 showing some MNs as inactive?

Is it a problem if my Masternode doesn't have the "official IP only" ticked?
Me too...Have 5 green leds and official grey, after some hours all green change to grey.... Sad
btw. received next payment Smiley


gratz! No payment for me yet, but up for less than 24hrs for now
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1005
DASH is the future of crypto payments!
EDIT (6/28/2014)
New clients have been released and more changes have been made. Current versions are v9.11.5 and v10.11.5. It is important that all solo-miners and pool operators update to the correct clients! Miners make the network work, and as such you need to use the right client versions, stay up to date and keep our blockchain healthy and stable!

You can find the new client software on the official downloads page of www.Darkcoin.io.

https://www.darkcoin.io/getstarted.html

*** PLEASE UPDATE TO 9.11.5 OR 10.11.5 ***

Windows Users:
v9.11.5
v10.11.5

Linux Users:
Ubuntu v10.11.5 GUI Wallet/Client
Ubuntu v10.11.5 Darkcoind Daemon

Mac Users:
v9.11.5 Wallet/Client

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/please-update-your-darkcoin-clients.1602/
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legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1005
DASH is the future of crypto payments!
well...Darkcoins mining is dead now...With 7 GPU's I get only 0.2-0.3 DRK pro day...There is no chance to get profit...
what gpu`s do you have?
Do you use new 14,6 sgminer? I get 4,25MHs on each 280x easy.... some get 4,5MHs

Do you have a link for download?
All is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=658411.new#new
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1005
DASH is the future of crypto payments!
Thanks Chaeplin.  Smiley.  Seems like SV01 to 5 is picking up different MN status to official?

Yes.
official provides only ip address of active NM.
sv01 ~ sv05 collect all info and use pubkey as key.

Are SV01 to 5 on 10.11.5?

V0.9.11.5.

First table has.

http://drk.poolhash.org/masternode.html

ahh, thanks. I missed the version number. Any ideas why sv01 to 5 showing some MNs as inactive?

Is it a problem if my Masternode doesn't have the "official IP only" ticked?
Me too...Have 5 green leds and official grey, after some hours all green change to grey.... Sad
btw. received next payment Smiley
hero member
Activity: 546
Merit: 500
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i download

Release Candidates (v0.10.11.5)
http://www.darkcoin.io/getstarted.html


user this guide.
http://www.darkcoin.io/downloads/DarkSendDocumentation.pdf


but  everytime, i send drk with darksend it shows error.

"darkSend Status => Your transaction was accepted into the pool!"
"darkSend Status => ( Entries 1/3 )"
then
"darkSend Status => idle"


anyone can help me out?

DarkSend is waiting for 2 other transactions. However, at this stage (RC) there are not many people using it simultaneously. A work around (for testing purpose) is to divide the amount you want to send by 3, and send them with DarkSend one after the other.
legendary
Activity: 1708
Merit: 1049
Again, just to reiterate on the piece of my post you didn't address, I do not like the centralized nature of the Masternode setup at Darkcoin, BUT , many coins have a centralized aspect, such as checkpointing servers in some POS coins. the way i see it, masternodes and checkpoint servers may be a necessary evil. So all in all i guess the Masternode setup isn't a big deal, so long as it offers no unfair disadvantage to common miners.

The concept of center, is that it is singular. It is a single point where all the other things revolve around / are based upon etc.

Checkpointing is centralization because there is one point where the network uses to align itself.

Masternodes are like ...500.

500 is not a single point / a center. There is no "center". There are 500 masternodes all over the globe.

If there was one masternode that did the mixing, it would be centralized mixing.

If there are 500-1000 nodes all over the world that operate in a p2p fashion, it is not centralization.

If the government can go to one place (center) and take down the system = centralization / client-server model - with the server-mixer being the single point of reliance.

If the government can't do that because it has to shut 500 nodes all over the world = decentralization / p2p model - with every node adding to network resilience.
member
Activity: 114
Merit: 10
well...Darkcoins mining is dead now...With 7 GPU's I get only 0.2-0.3 DRK pro day...There is no chance to get profit...
what gpu`s do you have?
Do you use new 14,6 sgminer? I get 4,25MHs on each 280x easy.... some get 4,5MHs

Do you have a link for download?
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
Thanks Chaeplin.  Smiley.  Seems like SV01 to 5 is picking up different MN status to official?

Yes.
official provides only ip address of active NM.
sv01 ~ sv05 collect all info and use pubkey as key.

Are SV01 to 5 on 10.11.5?

V0.9.11.5.

First table has.

http://drk.poolhash.org/masternode.html

ahh, thanks. I missed the version number. Any ideas why sv01 to 5 showing some MNs as inactive?

Is it a problem if my Masternode doesn't have the "official IP only" ticked?
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1015
Evan made a choice to devote time to DRK - 2 years - we only have about 1.4 years left folks - maybe he'll renew that contract :-P

Thing is - you'n's need to, as requested by others, to stop re-posting fudders and trolls - over look them - take a higher ground.

...

I'm sure that Satoshi Nakamoto had some issues in the beginning when he first came up with the idea of the block-chain.
But nobody was really watching.
Nobody noticed him.
Nobody cared....

He wrote the code and gave it a try......
I'm sure he failed a few times before figuring out how to make it work on a testnet.

Trail and error is all part of development.
People that think that DRK is suppose to work right out of the box like a new toy, has no clue what development means.

This isn't some kind of a movie where the alleged impossible just happens.
Harry Potter is not gonna wave a magic wand.....

Development takes time - not days or weeks - but months and sometimes years.


Satoshi started development of Bitcoin in 2007, two years in secret before first announcing the white paper and then the code afterwards on a widely watched forum (mailing list).

Satoshi made sure Bitcoin worked very well before releasing it. In it's five years since there have only been a couple of major bugs. Darkcoin has had more bugs and errors in several months than Bitcoin had in five years, I find this outstanding considering most of Darkcoin's code is simply Bitcoin code.

Satoshi was very responsible regarding Bitcoin's release and stability in the early days, something that Evan just doesn't care about at all.

My problem with Darkcoin is that Evan is worshipped like a god here, even though he has made many major mistakes. The first mistake was the coin release in the beginning, he should have restarted the project at that point but he didn't care to. Satoshi probably ended up leaving the Bitcoin project because he released the danger of dev worship, the last thing Satoshi wanted was to turn Bitcoin into a cult with him as the leader. Thankfully we can see how it would have turned out, see Darkcoin. Evan is the Satoshi Jesus, half of the people in this thread think that Evan is going to "conclude" Satoshi's grand cryptocoin experiment. Needless to say the amount of "cult" in this thread is disturbing.

Another issue many people have is that the coinjoin concept is deeply flawed and the inventor of coinjoin doesn't even like it anymore. (In comparison to more recent alternatives)

I'm finding it very difficult not to unquote you with this follow-up....
BUT
Basically - your trying to say that DRK is and would/could be the LARGEST Pump & Dump in Crypto History to date?

Even tho you stated yourself as -  "Satoshi probably ended up leaving"...... Which means that you really don't have any facts on why Satoshi stepped away.    .......... if he every really did and could possible now be under a new Name - etc etc

I'm sorry - gotta stop here.....

Like I said before - maybe I'm an Idiot but my understanding is that CoinJoin and MasterNodes are not one in the same...... and yes I understand the CoinJoin guy not liking he's 1st thought.....etc etc - - - MN Source has not been released - so until the code is released - I really don't think you know what your talking about

1) I said nothing about pump and dumps...

2) Darksend uses coinjoin. Research coinjoin, coinjoin needs a trusted "trustless" mixer. The mixer is trustless because it can't steal coins, but it's trusted because they can record in and out. That is what a masternode is.

3) Satoshi could have had many reasons to leave, however it is possible that he saw weakness in being the figurehead for his creation, and felt it would fair better and be more decentralized if the community took up the reins. One thing is for sure, if Satoshi stayed it would have turned into a cult, much like Darkcoin has.
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1005
DASH is the future of crypto payments!
well...Darkcoins mining is dead now...With 7 GPU's I get only 0.2-0.3 DRK pro day...There is no chance to get profit...
what gpu`s do you have?
Do you use new 14,6 sgminer? I get 4,25MHs on each 280x easy.... some get 4,5MHs
full member
Activity: 147
Merit: 100
Can I ask on which pool all people are mining?Anyone had problems with drk.coinmine.pl? Can I trust this pool?

I never had problems with coinmine,
pool is stable,
and i received all funds.

so: works perfect for me.

Thanks for info! Smiley
sr. member
Activity: 363
Merit: 250
Can I ask on which pool all people are mining?Anyone had problems with drk.coinmine.pl? Can I trust this pool?

I never had problems with coinmine,
pool is stable,
and i received all funds.

so: works perfect for me.
member
Activity: 114
Merit: 10
well...Darkcoins mining is dead now...With 7 GPU's I get only 0.2-0.3 DRK pro day...There is no chance to get profit...
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