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rickraw

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Quote from: eduffield on March 10, 2014, 09:51:16 AM

No, DarkSend is definitely going to be an opensource project. We'll do some audits and make sure there's nothing wrong with the concepts and code, then open it up. By the way, it's going to be about 10000 lines of code you would have to add to your coin. It's not easy and you could destroy your coin by adding it. So good luck, this isn't like adding KGW. I don't think there will be many coins with developers that confident in their abilities. There's literally not one file that I didn't rip apart to do this.

DarkSend being opensource isn't that big of a deal, I've dedicated at least a couple years of full time work to making this coin successful. Can any other coin compete with a full time dev? It's the innovation that makes a coin like this successful and there's alot of ideas out there I can implement after DarkSend. We'll have one hell of a coin.

DarkSend is backwards compatible with the underlying protocol, so your dev that's working on the paper wallet need not worry.

This is an awesome response! Eduffield is the man!

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Quote from: coins101 on March 10, 2014, 04:28:43 AM

Quote from: matt608 on March 10, 2014, 04:19:13 AM

Quote from: LimLims on March 10, 2014, 12:09:58 AM

Official fundraiser for Darkcoin marketing & branding

Since Darkcoin was 0% premined, we will be doing this the old fashioned way, with a fundraiser. Many people in the community have expressed an interest in pushing our marketing effort along. We wanted to make sure the time was right, while Evan sorted out the kinks in the Darksend code. But we are nearly ready to show Darkcoin and Darksend to the world, so let's get this moving.

I will release a list of bounties for marketing & branding in the next day or so when I have a bit of spare time. For now, you may donate to the official fundraising wallet (anonymously if you like!). You can also PM me with your donation details and I'll keep some accounting, if only for the sake of making sure your donation is accounted for and spent appropriately.

As always, you are a fantastic community and we appreciate your support!

Fundraising wallet: Xc8xGSP7FwWGPQpgw298z7NYdA8xJK8ooh

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Quote from: sukottosan_d on March 10, 2014, 07:12:40 AM

For the record - I think open source is the only way to go - however, again, I think it matters how that is done - it's not as simple as saying - "open source it".

I believe the plan - as per the dev - is to open it once DarkSend has been fully debugged - which I think is entirely reasonable. I think others want it to have a little more momentum in the market and with adoption before it goes open source - which I don't think is unreasonable either. However, it's ultimately the developer's choice - I'm sure though that he will take the input of the community seriously.

I know he has said that closed source is NOT an option in this thread - however, is this on any of the sites so its known to new users?
Because, the community knows that closed source was never an option - but I don't think others do.

It gets drowned out by everyone arguing this point over and over again Roll Eyes

The developer wants darksend to be fully functional before releasing it into the wild so that anything that might be wrong won't propagate in every other coin. I don't think of it as closed source, I think of it as smart. Alt coins are all just copy > paste and I don't think there is much thought given to it, so it could mess a lot of users up and in the process, give darksend/darkcoin a bad reputation. Evan needs to keep control until it's ready, then it will be released open source, and yes, others will then improve on it. That's what open source is all about. In the mean time, I suspect Evan will be coming up with other great features for our coin and implementing any improvements made to darksend.

that's how I see our future here.

overcurrent

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eduffield

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Quote from: matthewh3 on March 10, 2014, 07:23:44 AM

Quote from: sukottosan_d on March 10, 2014, 07:12:40 AM

For the record - I think open source is the only way to go - however, again, I think it matters how that is done - it's not as simple as saying - "open source it".

I believe the plan - as per the dev - is to open it once DarkSend has been fully debugged - which I think is entirely reasonable. I think others want it to have a little more momentum in the market and with adoption before it goes open source - which I don't think is unreasonable either. However, it's ultimately the developer's choice - I'm sure though that he will take the input of the community seriously.

I know he has said that closed source is NOT an option in this thread - however, is this on any of the sites so its known to new users?
Because, the community knows that closed source was never an option - but I don't think others do.

Well I know a dev working on paper wallets and brain wallets for DRK. They are unsure on releasing their work to the wild on the idea DRK may be going to use a closed-source model. That's one example alone of the effect using a closed-source model would have on eco-system development outside of the core dev-team. Not publicly releasing your code until your happy with it is one thing but to try and patent it and go closed-source is another. Hopefully the ideas on using a closed model are just that ideas from some guy on the internet and not hints by the dev team testing the water.

No, DarkSend is definitely going to be an opensource project. We'll do some audits and make sure there's nothing wrong with the concepts and code, then open it up. By the way, it's going to be about 10000 lines of code you would have to add to your coin. It's not easy and you could destroy your coin by adding it. So good luck, this isn't like adding KGW. I don't think there will be many coins with developers that confident in their abilities. There's literally not one file that I didn't rip apart to do this.

DarkSend being opensource isn't that big of a deal, I've dedicated at least a couple years of full time work to making this coin successful. Can any other coin compete with a full time dev? It's the innovation that makes a coin like this successful and there's alot of ideas out there I can implement after DarkSend. We'll have one hell of a coin.

DarkSend is backwards compatible with the underlying protocol, so your dev that's working on the paper wallet need not worry.

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Quote from: eduffield on March 10, 2014, 09:33:39 AM

Quote from: LimLims on March 10, 2014, 12:09:58 AM

Official fundraiser for Darkcoin marketing & branding

Since Darkcoin was 0% premined, we will be doing this the old fashioned way, with a fundraiser. Many people in the community have expressed an interest in pushing our marketing effort along. We wanted to make sure the time was right, while Evan sorted out the kinks in the Darksend code. But we are nearly ready to show Darkcoin and Darksend to the world, so let's get this moving.

I will release a list of bounties for marketing & branding in the next day or so when I have a bit of spare time. For now, you may donate to the official fundraising wallet (anonymously if you like!). You can also PM me with your donation details and I'll keep some accounting, if only for the sake of making sure your donation is accounted for and spent appropriately.

As always, you are a fantastic community and we appreciate your support!

Fundraising wallet: Xc8xGSP7FwWGPQpgw298z7NYdA8xJK8ooh

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Quote from: matthewh3 on March 10, 2014, 09:13:54 AM

I understand keeping the alpha closed source on a test-net but bitcoind has been in beta since 2009. So how long is darksend going to be in 'beta'?

Maybe 2-3 more weeks?

eduffield

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Quote from: LimLims on March 10, 2014, 12:09:58 AM

Official fundraiser for Darkcoin marketing & branding

Since Darkcoin was 0% premined, we will be doing this the old fashioned way, with a fundraiser. Many people in the community have expressed an interest in pushing our marketing effort along. We wanted to make sure the time was right, while Evan sorted out the kinks in the Darksend code. But we are nearly ready to show Darkcoin and Darksend to the world, so let's get this moving.

I will release a list of bounties for marketing & branding in the next day or so when I have a bit of spare time. For now, you may donate to the official fundraising wallet (anonymously if you like!). You can also PM me with your donation details and I'll keep some accounting, if only for the sake of making sure your donation is accounted for and spent appropriately.

As always, you are a fantastic community and we appreciate your support!

Fundraising wallet: Xc8xGSP7FwWGPQpgw298z7NYdA8xJK8ooh

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Quote from: organizer on March 10, 2014, 07:42:56 AM

All of your marketing $$ should be to find some legit white-hat hackers to test the anonymous features. You should look out for legit, known coin developers (someone known with a connection to BTC would be great).

I'd definitely be in favour of a large portion of funds going towards this kind of thing.

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Quote from: matthewh3 on March 10, 2014, 09:13:54 AM

I understand keeping the alpha closed source on a test-net but bitcoind has been in beta since 2009. So how long is darksend going to be in 'beta'?

Based on all the info I have - not much longer at all - a few weeks at most I would think.
Anyone in the "know" care to comment? (since I've offered my opinion based on reading this thread only)

matthewh3

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I understand keeping the alpha closed source on a test-net but bitcoind has been in beta since 2009. So how long is darksend going to be in 'beta'?

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No reason to keep it closed source even for a second after the project is finished. The open-source community would just leave instantly. Why do you even suggest to keep it closed for a while after its finished? That wouldn't count as a feature in the eye of this community as a whole.

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Ah fuck it. Dark coin should be Voyeur sourced. That way if you want to take a look at the code, you have to be cheeky about it. Grin

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I think it's a good thing this isn't open source (yet). Otherwise there would be lots of copy coins. Wait till DRK gets more support and make it open source is a good thing.
Technically DRK is ahead of so many coins. Can't wait till the moment others realize this (so I can get rich Grin

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Quote from: CHAOSiTEC on March 10, 2014, 07:36:34 AM

Quote from: bigrcanada on March 10, 2014, 07:33:57 AM

OK...Please Let's end this discussion once and for all. Evan has said that DarkCoin will be open sourced... once Darksend is out of beta. The plan is to be open sourced. I'm am very certain that Mr. Eduffield is aware that this is and will be an on going evolution with many more features to be added with time. I for one am quite confident that Evan and Ape have taken the time to consider the route they wish for this coin. it would far more productive if we could come up with a wish list of additional features that people would think as cutting edge.

Open vs closed source... it has been discussed, and we ended up agreeing, that open sourced when its out of beta was the way to go, so please stop putting fire into this, since it has already been desided.

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Quote from: MyFarm on March 09, 2014, 09:54:50 PM

I've been thinking...

Something just doesn't add up with the Armory using Darkcoin. There is absolutely no way any legit darknet site would use Darksend while it is still closed source.

What am I missing?

You're missing an important thing. Darkcoin is, at a minimum, as anonymous as bitcoin. That's worst case scenario if we say darksend can be cracked. If not, it's more anonymous than bitcoin, probably way more, and only getting better. I think it's a great move from the owners.

What you're missing is anything that can inserted into closed source software such as backdoors. You have no idea what's in it because it's closed source. Thus, nobody truly interested in anonymity will ever run it.

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Quote from: anonymousxx1503 on March 09, 2014, 10:43:08 PM

You're missing an important thing. Darkcoin is, at a minimum, as anonymous as bitcoin. That's worst case scenario if we say darksend can be cracked. If not, it's more anonymous than bitcoin, probably way more, and only getting better. I think it's a great move from the owners.

The whole point of the existence of darkcoin is that it's a trustless solution. There are already bitcoin mixing services that use coinjoin. What is the point of making darkcoin when there are already coinjoin services? Because darkcoin is trustless, once it's open sourced. By suggesting it should be closed source is negating the point of darkcoin, requiring trust for a supposedly trustless solution.

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Quote from: anonymousxx1503 on March 09, 2014, 10:43:08 PM

Quote from: MyFarm on March 09, 2014, 09:54:50 PM

I've been thinking...

Something just doesn't add up with the Armory using Darkcoin. There is absolutely no way any legit darknet site would use Darksend while it is still closed source.

What am I missing?

You're missing an important thing. Darkcoin is, at a minimum, as anonymous as bitcoin. That's worst case scenario if we say darksend can be cracked. If not, it's more anonymous than bitcoin, probably way more, and only getting better. I think it's a great move from the owners.

What you're missing is anything that can inserted into closed source software such as backdoors. You have no idea what's in it because it's closed source. Thus, nobody truly interested in anonymity will ever run it.

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Quote from: chompyZ on March 10, 2014, 07:36:13 AM

Quote from: HammerHedd on March 10, 2014, 07:32:58 AM

I'll continue working the wikipedia page -

Also, I'm always looking for new information... Is there a good explanation of how denominate works?

Can you give me the link to the wikipedia page?
I'll also need it for the one-page summary
thnx.

The article is here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/DarkCoin

wikipedia just declined it until it is more "notable". Essentially this means that we need more talk about it in places other than our own thread

Maybe the Wall street Journal?

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