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AlexGR

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Quote from: watuba on March 10, 2014, 02:51:43 AM

Quote from: AlexGR on March 10, 2014, 02:45:03 AM

Quote from: TanteStefana on March 09, 2014, 10:47:29 PM

Quote from: eduffield on March 09, 2014, 02:27:43 PM

Quote from: hamiltino on March 09, 2014, 02:18:39 PM

won't sending multiple transactions to your self bloat the blockchain?

Are you talking about denominate? It's just one transaction and it takes your whole wallet and converts the inputs into DarkSend compatible inputs. Say for example you have 123DRK, it would create ONE transaction that allowed you to DarkSend 9 times. Then you would need to run it again when you ran out of compatible inputs.

Can that be turned into a button or something? I think it's ... well, more frightening than anything, for a "normal" person to issue commands in the debug console. Also, they'd have to remember the word (I've forgotten it, LOL, had to do a -help and go through the list) a warning could come up if they no longer have their funds properly denominated, and it can just say, please push the denominate button etc...

+1... Everything that is not automated, is a "coin weakness" that a clone can use to improve upon.

For example:

If DarkSend is implemented but it's "hard to use" a clone can come up and make it "easy to use".
If DarkSend is the only layer of anonymity, a clone can come up and say "we offer both DarkSend and IP obfuscation"
If DarkSend works only by the client being online, a clone can come up and say "we fixed the offline functionality, the user can issue the command and close the client or experience a power shutdown - knowing that the money will be transferred safely".

...if you want to be the leading anonymous cryptocurrency, you must already incorporate the improvements that others will be willing to make, in order to eliminate their "market" from the get go. Because, ultimately, a shitclone is as good as the answer to the question of "what is it that you provide that the others do not?"

I assume in the public non-beta version, you'll just check the box for darksend(or all transactions will be dark), and it'll automatically denominate and send for you?

Denominate is a new function, so I think it's not already assumed "active" with the checkbox enabled. The released version could probably be finalized as you say.

watuba

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Quote from: AlexGR on March 10, 2014, 02:45:03 AM

Quote from: TanteStefana on March 09, 2014, 10:47:29 PM

Quote from: eduffield on March 09, 2014, 02:27:43 PM

Quote from: hamiltino on March 09, 2014, 02:18:39 PM

won't sending multiple transactions to your self bloat the blockchain?

Are you talking about denominate? It's just one transaction and it takes your whole wallet and converts the inputs into DarkSend compatible inputs. Say for example you have 123DRK, it would create ONE transaction that allowed you to DarkSend 9 times. Then you would need to run it again when you ran out of compatible inputs.

Can that be turned into a button or something? I think it's ... well, more frightening than anything, for a "normal" person to issue commands in the debug console. Also, they'd have to remember the word (I've forgotten it, LOL, had to do a -help and go through the list) a warning could come up if they no longer have their funds properly denominated, and it can just say, please push the denominate button etc...

+1... Everything that is not automated, is a "coin weakness" that a clone can use to improve upon.

For example:

If DarkSend is implemented but it's "hard to use" a clone can come up and make it "easy to use".
If DarkSend is the only layer of anonymity, a clone can come up and say "we offer both DarkSend and IP obfuscation"
If DarkSend works only by the client being online, a clone can come up and say "we fixed the offline functionality, the user can issue the command and close the client or experience a power shutdown - knowing that the money will be transferred safely".

...if you want to be the leading anonymous cryptocurrency, you must already incorporate the improvements that others will be willing to make, in order to eliminate their "market" from the get go. Because, ultimately, a shitclone is as good as the answer to the question of "what is it that you provide that the others do not?"

I assume in the public non-beta version, you'll just check the box for darksend(or all transactions will be dark), and it'll automatically denominate and send for you?

AlexGR

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Quote from: TanteStefana on March 09, 2014, 10:47:29 PM

Quote from: eduffield on March 09, 2014, 02:27:43 PM

Quote from: hamiltino on March 09, 2014, 02:18:39 PM

won't sending multiple transactions to your self bloat the blockchain?

Are you talking about denominate? It's just one transaction and it takes your whole wallet and converts the inputs into DarkSend compatible inputs. Say for example you have 123DRK, it would create ONE transaction that allowed you to DarkSend 9 times. Then you would need to run it again when you ran out of compatible inputs.

Can that be turned into a button or something? I think it's ... well, more frightening than anything, for a "normal" person to issue commands in the debug console. Also, they'd have to remember the word (I've forgotten it, LOL, had to do a -help and go through the list) a warning could come up if they no longer have their funds properly denominated, and it can just say, please push the denominate button etc...

+1... Everything that is not automated, is a "coin weakness" that a clone can use to improve upon.

This can be used in a number of ways. For example:

If DarkSend is implemented but it's "hard to use" a clone can come up and make it "easy to use".
If DarkSend is the only layer of anonymity, a clone can come up and say "we offer both DarkSend and IP obfuscation"
If DarkSend works only by the client being online, a clone can come up and say "we fixed the offline functionality, the user can issue the command and close the client or experience a power shutdown - knowing that the money will be transferred safely".

...if you want to be the leading anonymous cryptocurrency, you must already incorporate the improvements that others will be willing to make, in order to eliminate their "market" from the get go. Because, ultimately, a shitclone is as good as the answer to the question of "what is it that you provide that the others do not?"

eizh

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Quote from: DieCommieScum on March 10, 2014, 01:50:31 AM

Yeah, I'm a cheap date... after posting that I just transferred 2.5 btc into Cryptsy. Prepare for a bump in a few confirms, i'm taking this fucker to 15000

Aw man, and here I am waiting for my BTC delivery again. Cheesy

Oh well, I'm just gonna keep buying daily. High, low, doesn't matter. It'll all look like noise in a year or two.

eizh

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Quote from: TanteStefana on March 10, 2014, 12:57:16 AM

Quote from: eizh on March 09, 2014, 09:30:43 PM

Quote from: HammerHedd on March 09, 2014, 09:23:09 PM

I think more useful would be the ability to also send small, twitter-sized messages instead of just transactions via darksend. Imagine that you could combine a transaction with a message or something like that. Hash the characters together and send it like a transaction, and all of a sudden, you have a really well encrypted, anonymous message system that overlays on an existing network.

This compromises anonymity (unless the message is utterly generic, in which case there's no reason to send it). You could argue that it's one person voluntarily compromising his/her own anonymity but because of the way DarkSend works, they're chipping away at the anonymity of everyone else involved in the mixing.

I don't think you get it, the message would be encrypted with the coin or address or something, so that when the receiver gets the coin, they can see who it came from and why or whatever short message you want to send, a purchase order reminder, etc...

Certainly the person receiving the message should know why the money arrived, just not the rest of the world!

Oh, I see. Hmm.. so how would the implementation work? As far as I understand, DarkSend is not just a trick -- the transactions really do get mixed up in the intermediate pool before being split up to be sent to the receivers. So any message must also get lost if the coins are fungible, right?

DieCommieScum

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Quote from: sdersdf2 on March 10, 2014, 02:03:49 AM

What's going on with this coin - what are the next big dates for anything market moving. Price is pretty soggy, at best.

Everyday is a big day with this coin, if not a new release, its a new market acceptance or donation drive. Not only does this coin have the separation of innovation going for it, it has a community of folks smart enough to get behind something that isn't a shitcoin.

fairglu

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Quote from: sdersdf2 on March 10, 2014, 02:03:49 AM

What's going on with this coin - what are the next big dates for anything market moving. Price is pretty soggy, at best.

Difficulty is slowly creeping up though, see http://coinz.cryptoid.info/diff/?drk, be prepared!

chaeplin

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Quote from: chaeplin on March 10, 2014, 01:25:12 AM

Quote from: LimLims on March 10, 2014, 12:09:58 AM

Official fundraiser for Darkcoin marketing & branding

Since Darkcoin was 0% premined, we will be doing this the old fashioned way, with a fundraiser. Many people in the community have expressed an interest in pushing our marketing effort along. We wanted to make sure the time was right, while Evan sorted out the kinks in the Darksend code. But we are nearly ready to show Darkcoin and Darksend to the world, so let's get this moving.

I will release a list of bounties for marketing & branding in the next day or so when I have a bit of spare time. For now, you may donate to the official fundraising wallet (anonymously if you like!). You can also PM me with your donation details and I'll keep some accounting, if only for the sake of making sure your donation is accounted for and spent appropriately.

As always, you are a fantastic community and we appreciate your support!

Fundraising wallet: Xc8xGSP7FwWGPQpgw298z7NYdA8xJK8ooh

p2pool under my control ( asia01, asia02, uswest01, uswest02 .mine.nu ), 100% of collected fee (1%) will be donated to the fund.

You can check
http://asia01.mine.nu:7903/payout_addr
http://asia01.mine.nu:7903/static/classic/

I need server restart.

Four p2pool server done.

http://asia01.mine.nu:7903
http://asia02.mine.nu:7903
http://uswest01.mine.nu:7903
http://uswest02.mine.nu:7903

donating 100% of fees collected to the fund.

chaeplin

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Quote from: LimLims on March 10, 2014, 12:09:58 AM

Official fundraiser for Darkcoin marketing & branding

Since Darkcoin was 0% premined, we will be doing this the old fashioned way, with a fundraiser. Many people in the community have expressed an interest in pushing our marketing effort along. We wanted to make sure the time was right, while Evan sorted out the kinks in the Darksend code. But we are nearly ready to show Darkcoin and Darksend to the world, so let's get this moving.

I will release a list of bounties for marketing & branding in the next day or so when I have a bit of spare time. For now, you may donate to the official fundraising wallet (anonymously if you like!). You can also PM me with your donation details and I'll keep some accounting, if only for the sake of making sure your donation is accounted for and spent appropriately.

As always, you are a fantastic community and we appreciate your support!

Fundraising wallet: Xc8xGSP7FwWGPQpgw298z7NYdA8xJK8ooh

sent 50

tx 2e9e3eaa1fdbc3 ~

sdersdf2

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What's going on with this coin - what are the next big dates for anything market moving. Price is pretty soggy, at best.

LimLims

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1xbit.com

Thanks to the early donors! I won't confirm everyone's donation individually in the thread, but I am marking them down in a spreadsheet. I will do the accounting transparently and release periodic statements of income & expenditure.

TanteStefana

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The Future Of Work

Quote from: DieCommieScum on March 10, 2014, 01:50:31 AM

Quote from: anonymousxx1503 on March 10, 2014, 01:46:31 AM

Quote from: DieCommieScum on March 10, 2014, 01:42:35 AM

Quote from: TanteStefana on March 10, 2014, 01:36:26 AM

Quote from: eddywise on March 10, 2014, 12:54:36 AM

I want to know why the price of DRK drop and drop with such many guys notice the coin.
And the network diff rised so fast,and we all pay attention to keeping this thread being active.

Good question, I don't understand that either? I'm not worried, but it does seem weird to me??

Quote from: tungfa on March 10, 2014, 01:01:34 AM

I think somebody is still out there controlling the pice !
not sure why, but they seems to keep it steady around 0.0014-15
..>>

But how could they possibly do that?

It's still traded thinly on a relative basis, it only takes one horse with a shit ton of hashrate to collapse things. 1btc of investment on Cryptsy right now would push it back into the 16000s range. I have 2.5btc invested at the moment, contemplating setting a 15000 floor with another 2btc.

With a marketing push coming up, maybe it's a good time. I imagine you like to have some btc handy though.

Yeah, I'm a cheap date... after posting that I just transferred 2.5 btc into Cryptsy. Prepare for a bump in a few confirms, i'm taking this fucker to 15000

LOL, good luck! I wish I had btc! My tiny miner would only get me about 0.004 btc if we land a block, but it's been 12 days... no block, and I'd immediately turn it into dark if I could!

DieCommieScum

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Quote from: anonymousxx1503 on March 10, 2014, 01:46:31 AM

Quote from: DieCommieScum on March 10, 2014, 01:42:35 AM

Quote from: TanteStefana on March 10, 2014, 01:36:26 AM

Quote from: eddywise on March 10, 2014, 12:54:36 AM

I want to know why the price of DRK drop and drop with such many guys notice the coin.
And the network diff rised so fast,and we all pay attention to keeping this thread being active.

Good question, I don't understand that either? I'm not worried, but it does seem weird to me??

Quote from: tungfa on March 10, 2014, 01:01:34 AM

I think somebody is still out there controlling the pice !
not sure why, but they seems to keep it steady around 0.0014-15
..>>

But how could they possibly do that?

It's still traded thinly on a relative basis, it only takes one horse with a shit ton of hashrate to collapse things. 1btc of investment on Cryptsy right now would push it back into the 16000s range. I have 2.5btc invested at the moment, contemplating setting a 15000 floor with another 2btc.

With a marketing push coming up, maybe it's a good time. I imagine you like to have some btc handy though.

Yeah, I'm a cheap date... after posting that I just transferred 2.5 btc into Cryptsy. Prepare for a bump in a few confirms, i'm taking this fucker to 15000

anonymousxx1503

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Quote from: DieCommieScum on March 10, 2014, 01:42:35 AM

Quote from: TanteStefana on March 10, 2014, 01:36:26 AM

Quote from: eddywise on March 10, 2014, 12:54:36 AM

I want to know why the price of DRK drop and drop with such many guys notice the coin.
And the network diff rised so fast,and we all pay attention to keeping this thread being active.

Good question, I don't understand that either? I'm not worried, but it does seem weird to me??

Quote from: tungfa on March 10, 2014, 01:01:34 AM

I think somebody is still out there controlling the pice !
not sure why, but they seems to keep it steady around 0.0014-15
..>>

But how could they possibly do that?

It's still traded thinly on a relative basis, it only takes one horse with a shit ton of hashrate to collapse things. 1btc of investment on Cryptsy right now would push it back into the 16000s range. I have 2.5btc invested at the moment, contemplating setting a 15000 floor with another 2btc.

With a marketing push coming up, maybe it's a good time. I imagine you like to have some btc handy though.

DieCommieScum

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Quote from: TanteStefana on March 10, 2014, 01:36:26 AM

Quote from: eddywise on March 10, 2014, 12:54:36 AM

I want to know why the price of DRK drop and drop with such many guys notice the coin.
And the network diff rised so fast,and we all pay attention to keeping this thread being active.

Good question, I don't understand that either? I'm not worried, but it does seem weird to me??

Quote from: tungfa on March 10, 2014, 01:01:34 AM

I think somebody is still out there controlling the pice !
not sure why, but they seems to keep it steady around 0.0014-15
..>>

But how could they possibly do that?

It's still traded thinly on a relative basis, it only takes one horse with a shit ton of hashrate to collapse things. 1btc of investment on Cryptsy right now would push it back into the 16000s range. I have 2.5btc invested at the moment, contemplating setting a 15000 floor with another 2btc.

watuba

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Quote from: DieCommieScum on March 10, 2014, 01:33:48 AM

Quote from: LimLims on March 10, 2014, 12:09:58 AM

Official fundraiser for Darkcoin marketing & branding

Since Darkcoin was 0% premined, we will be doing this the old fashioned way, with a fundraiser. Many people in the community have expressed an interest in pushing our marketing effort along. We wanted to make sure the time was right, while Evan sorted out the kinks in the Darksend code. But we are nearly ready to show Darkcoin and Darksend to the world, so let's get this moving.

I will release a list of bounties for marketing & branding in the next day or so when I have a bit of spare time. For now, you may donate to the official fundraising wallet (anonymously if you like!). You can also PM me with your donation details and I'll keep some accounting, if only for the sake of making sure your donation is accounted for and spent appropriately.

As always, you are a fantastic community and we appreciate your support!

Fundraising wallet: Xc8xGSP7FwWGPQpgw298z7NYdA8xJK8ooh

50 DRK sent!

I pledge up to another 200 depending on defined and achieved milestones.

Sent 50 as well! Will send more depending on how good the marketing ideas are.

Edit: Spend it frivolously!! Sponsor a bobsled team or whatever is necessary.

TanteStefana

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The Future Of Work

Quote from: eddywise on March 10, 2014, 12:54:36 AM

I want to know why the price of DRK drop and drop with such many guys notice the coin.
And the network diff rised so fast,and we all pay attention to keeping this thread being active.

Good question, I don't understand that either? I'm not worried, but it does seem weird to me??

Quote from: tungfa on March 10, 2014, 01:01:34 AM

I think somebody is still out there controlling the pice !
not sure why, but they seems to keep it steady around 0.0014-15
..>>

But how could they possibly do that?

DieCommieScum

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Quote from: LimLims on March 10, 2014, 12:09:58 AM

Official fundraiser for Darkcoin marketing & branding

Since Darkcoin was 0% premined, we will be doing this the old fashioned way, with a fundraiser. Many people in the community have expressed an interest in pushing our marketing effort along. We wanted to make sure the time was right, while Evan sorted out the kinks in the Darksend code. But we are nearly ready to show Darkcoin and Darksend to the world, so let's get this moving.

I will release a list of bounties for marketing & branding in the next day or so when I have a bit of spare time. For now, you may donate to the official fundraising wallet (anonymously if you like!). You can also PM me with your donation details and I'll keep some accounting, if only for the sake of making sure your donation is accounted for and spent appropriately.

As always, you are a fantastic community and we appreciate your support!

Fundraising wallet: Xc8xGSP7FwWGPQpgw298z7NYdA8xJK8ooh

50 DRK sent!

I pledge up to another 200 depending on defined and achieved milestones.

CHAOSiTEC

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Quote from: LimLims on March 10, 2014, 12:09:58 AM

Official fundraiser for Darkcoin marketing & branding

Since Darkcoin was 0% premined, we will be doing this the old fashioned way, with a fundraiser. Many people in the community have expressed an interest in pushing our marketing effort along. We wanted to make sure the time was right, while Evan sorted out the kinks in the Darksend code. But we are nearly ready to show Darkcoin and Darksend to the world, so let's get this moving.

I will release a list of bounties for marketing & branding in the next day or so when I have a bit of spare time. For now, you may donate to the official fundraising wallet (anonymously if you like!). You can also PM me with your donation details and I'll keep some accounting, if only for the sake of making sure your donation is accounted for and spent appropriately.

As always, you are a fantastic community and we appreciate your support!

Fundraising wallet: Xc8xGSP7FwWGPQpgw298z7NYdA8xJK8ooh

Lotterymining.com has send 100 DRK + 25 % of fees collected will be forwarded once a week.

txid: adf225d0e516e23c1e1879f03996a7f2dc247e49f934af5d8dbcb9d55bd2d2bf-000

TanteStefana

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The Future Of Work

Quote from: LimLims on March 10, 2014, 12:09:58 AM

Official fundraiser for Darkcoin marketing & branding

Since Darkcoin was 0% premined, we will be doing this the old fashioned way, with a fundraiser. Many people in the community have expressed an interest in pushing our marketing effort along. We wanted to make sure the time was right, while Evan sorted out the kinks in the Darksend code. But we are nearly ready to show Darkcoin and Darksend to the world, so let's get this moving.

I will release a list of bounties for marketing & branding in the next day or so when I have a bit of spare time. For now, you may donate to the official fundraising wallet (anonymously if you like!). You can also PM me with your donation details and I'll keep some accounting, if only for the sake of making sure your donation is accounted for and spent appropriately.

As always, you are a fantastic community and we appreciate your support!

Fundraising wallet: Xc8xGSP7FwWGPQpgw298z7NYdA8xJK8ooh

YES! That's wonderful LimLim, I'll send a truly humble donation, a weeks worth of coin, so it hurts a little

not much at all, but at least I can do my small part! Darksent over to ya!

TXID 43aaaba7aef9ff7e9ded8267b539b41118b91e2362abd82bb3fb15f8c5a56382
(told ya it wasn't much, but it did hurt, I promise

)

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