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Topic: [ANN][DCR] Decred - Community Governance | Bitcoin Devs | Lightning Network - page 512. (Read 1201599 times)

newbie
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I'm more curious why it would even matter if it were true.  As a thought experiment, let's assume for a moment that everything you say were to actually happen.  Also, let's assume that all of the remaining 5,000 spots minus all of the people that have publicly posted they were accepted into the airdrop were filled by nothing but successful scammers, devs, and little magical fairies.  In that scenario, everyone that managed to get in still receives 168 coins for FREE.  Anything less than 5,000 spots means the participants get even more than that.  Nobody was asked for or paid any money.  This really seems like complaining about receiving free money to me.
(..)

It would mean that the dishonest people (those who have gamed the system) will be unfairly benefited, receiving 3x, 4x, 5x, n times the amount the "honest users" will receive.... that would be a bad start for a cryptocurrency: rewarding dishonest people to the detriment of the honest ones :/
newbie
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Yes, there is apparently 1,023 members of the official forum controlled by the dev team; it would probably be completely impossible for them to inflate the number of users by changing a number in a database, right? I'm not accusing anyone of anything, just pointing out that there is no transparency in the process.

I'm more curious why it would even matter if it were true.  As a thought experiment, let's assume for a moment that everything you say were to actually happen.  Also, let's assume that all of the remaining 5,000 spots minus all of the people that have publicly posted they were accepted into the airdrop were filled by nothing but successful scammers, devs, and little magical fairies.  In that scenario, everyone that managed to get in still receives 168 coins for FREE.  Anything less than 5,000 spots means the participants get even more than that.  Nobody was asked for or paid any money.  This really seems like complaining about receiving free money to me.

Further, if the devs wanted to keep all the coins, why would they have even bothered with an airdrop to begin with?  The suggestion that they went through the entire airdrop process, of which there are already a huge number of people that have publicly posted they were accepted to, in order to turn around and keep the very same coins they simply could've simply kept to begin with seems like an whole heck of a lot of work to end up with less coins than they would've had without it.

Decred could've easily stated that they'll do their best to make sure that folks aren't gaming the system via participation in the airdrop for a limited 5,000 participants. But, Decred opted to up the ante after being approached with how the system could easily be gamed (by me - NO OTHERS to date), whereupon they responded with having layers of defense mechanisms in place to ward off said gaming.

Unless you spoke to them via PMs where more was stated, which is certainly possible, it appears to me like you are overstating the response.  I remember seeing the response and what you're saying here is not what I remembered reading, so I went and found the response.  Here it is: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13493398

I'll quote the relevant pieces:

This is a fair concern. There are a number of verification steps involved ... No system is going to be perfect, but reasonable steps can be taken to make it as inclusive and fair as possible.

I don't see anything there at all that even remotely implies "layers of defense mechanisms".  In fact, quite to the contrary, they even acknowledged the system wasn't "going to be perfect".  I personally read "but reasonable steps can be taken to make it as inclusive and fair as possible" as doing exactly what you said where they could have "easily stated that they'll do their best to make sure that folks aren't gaming the system".
legendary
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blah blah blah im lost the airdrop blah blah
blah blah i feel envy blah blah
blah


the official forum already has more then 1000 members.
There is a decred's facebook group with around 350 investors just in my country, most of them participated in airdrop and few are bctalk members or official forum members.
No one of us will sell our coins from airdrop. We will buy more  Wink

I have never been on facebook.  From what you say it seems fb may have a bigger crypto scene than bct Tongue

Is your country small, medium or large?
full member
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blah blah blah im lost the airdrop blah blah
blah blah i feel envy blah blah
blah


the official forum already has more then 1000 members.
There is a decred's facebook group with around 350 investors just in my country, most of them participated in airdrop and few are bctalk members or official forum members.
No one of us will sell our coins from airdrop. We will buy more  Wink

You don't have to be a douchetaco about it. Yes, there is apparently 1,023 members of the official forum controlled by the dev team; it would probably be completely impossible for them to inflate the number of users by changing a number in a database, right? I'm not accusing anyone of anything, just pointing out that there is no transparency in the process.
At first don't want to offend you  BUT
In my opinion it is possible to have even 10 000 members.
That forum gather people arround the world. 57313 is the number of views that topic in that forum. But as you know its not the only one forum in bitcoin subject.
So is number 1000 members is fake ? For project like that I don't thing so
p.s.
Of course  for someone the real coin can be wampircoin, fishcoin, monkeycoin, africaanimalscoin,  etc.
Everybody has it's own common sense
vip
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Are there plans to release the identities of airdrop recipients? So people can see if a significant fraction of the airdrop went to newbie accounts or Twitter handles with a single tweet or friendless Facebookers, etc.

Absolutely not. This will never happen. It would be a complete violation of trust and an invasion of privacy.

Just curious after seeing this post from someone saying they were able to register (and receive confirmation) in the airdrop process using only an email address (not even a lightly used social media presence):
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13601490

Also, afaik there was not any verification that the email address I used to sign up has been checked that it is associated with this btctalk account, implying that you could claim any social media account as your own (that didn't have a public email), and then supply your own unrelated email address(es) to get an undeserved airdrop share.

I disagree that it would necessarily be a violation of privacy, since people are nominally registering with public social media accounts.

Anyway, I was just asking because I've probably seen at most 500 (and that's probably waaay overestimating) people commenting on this thread, irc, reddit, or twitter, so if it comes out that the number of airdrop participants is in the thousands, either we have to believe that the vast majority of airdrop participants are silent but honest participants, that someone or some people are gaming the system by claiming many more than a single share, or that the developers are inflating the number of users who signed up to keep the extra shares for themselves. The only way I could see that the developers can not just have to say, "trust us", is if the airdrop's social media accounts are publicly released, but apparently that isn't an option...

Decred could've easily stated that they'll do their best to make sure that folks aren't gaming the system via participation in the airdrop for a limited 5,000 participants. But, Decred opted to up the ante after being approached with how the system could easily be gamed (by me - NO OTHERS to date), whereupon they responded with having layers of defense mechanisms in place to ward off said gaming. It was after such exchange, of which was after most have already applied for the airdrop, thus freeing up their personnel to conduct a more fuller investigatory process on my scammy ass, that I signed up to test their layers, passing with flying colors, opting to sign up over a dozen more times. supplying Decred with ONLY newly created email addresses, with all that I've checked also passing muster, each having a unique "Confirmation link" within, in essence gaming the system in the same way I warned Decred about in which they offered up how the concern is moot given...

What did I receive in kind for revealing this truism?


And, we're all completely shocked that it would be you here raising a stink about it.  Get a life ya old coot.

legendary
Activity: 3164
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blah blah blah im lost the airdrop blah blah
blah blah i feel envy blah blah
blah


the official forum already has more then 1000 members.
There is a decred's facebook group with around 350 investors just in my country, most of them participated in airdrop and few are bctalk members or official forum members.
No one of us will sell our coins from airdrop. We will buy more  Wink

You don't have to be a douchetaco about it. Yes, there is apparently 1,023 members of the official forum controlled by the dev team; it would probably be completely impossible for them to inflate the number of users by changing a number in a database, right? I'm not accusing anyone of anything, just pointing out that there is no transparency in the process.
legendary
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blah blah blah im lost the airdrop blah blah
blah blah i feel envy blah blah
blah


the official forum already has more then 1000 members.
There is a decred's facebook group with around 350 investors just in my country, most of them participated in airdrop and few are bctalk members or official forum members.
No one of us will sell our coins from airdrop. We will buy more  Wink
legendary
Activity: 3164
Merit: 1118
Are there plans to release the identities of airdrop recipients? So people can see if a significant fraction of the airdrop went to newbie accounts or Twitter handles with a single tweet or friendless Facebookers, etc.

Absolutely not. This will never happen. It would be a complete violation of trust and an invasion of privacy.

Just curious after seeing this post from someone saying they were able to register (and receive confirmation) in the airdrop process using only an email address (not even a lightly used social media presence):
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13601490

Also, afaik there was not any verification that the email address I used to sign up has been checked that it is associated with this btctalk account, implying that you could claim any social media account as your own (that didn't have a public email), and then supply your own unrelated email address(es) to get an undeserved airdrop share.

I disagree that it would necessarily be a violation of privacy, since people are nominally registering with public social media accounts.

Anyway, I was just asking because I've probably seen at most 500 (and that's probably waaay overestimating) people commenting on this thread, irc, reddit, or twitter, so if it comes out that the number of airdrop participants is in the thousands, either we have to believe that the vast majority of airdrop participants are silent but honest participants, that someone or some people are gaming the system by claiming many more than a single share, or that the developers are inflating the number of users who signed up to keep the extra shares for themselves. The only way I could see that the developers can not just have to say, "trust us", is if the airdrop's social media accounts are publicly released, but apparently that isn't an option...
full member
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Are there plans to release the identities of airdrop recipients? So people can see if a significant fraction of the airdrop went to newbie accounts or Twitter handles with a single tweet or friendless Facebookers, etc.

Absolutely not. This will never happen. It would be a complete violation of trust and an invasion of privacy.
legendary
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Merit: 1118
Are there plans to release the identities of airdrop recipients? So people can see if a significant fraction of the airdrop went to newbie accounts or Twitter handles with a single tweet or friendless Facebookers, etc.
full member
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Waiting for the lunch day happy that will get the airdrop Smiley
sr. member
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what will happen to those that won't complete the coin request? I mean their coin will be burned or will be distributed among the others?

The coins go to the submitted addresses. That list is made final on Monday and addresses in that list get airdrop.
legendary
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what will happen to those that won't complete the coin request? I mean their coin will be burned or will be distributed among the others?
hero member
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Airdrop ended january 18.
Today is january 22....no numbers about airdrop partecipants.

Can just assume that since aidrop doesn't closed before end date,means that 5k cap wasn't reached.


The number of airdrop participants isn't that important, because after requesting the airdrop people had to create their address and confirm their request until 25th. I guess, a few claimers will fall out at this phase so, imo on monday, tuesday we'll get the final numbers
I can totally agree with you on this one.
newbie
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i registered on the website forum looks very nice! And i would like to register for airdrop! Still have time till 25 ! where can i register to airdrop to get my personal wallet!thanks to all! Smiley
very happy to be with you!

Airdrop Signup is already closed:

(...)
01/17/16 06:00 PM CST - Airdrop sign up has closed. A final batch of invitation e-mails will go out tomorrow.
(...)

Sorry about that :/

But you'll be able to buy DECRED as soon as it reaches the exchanges: some users may dump their DCR for cheap prices, as it seems. That will be a good opportunity Wink Keep watching.
legendary
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i registered on the website forum looks very nice! And i would like to register for airdrop! Still have time till 25 ! where can i register to airdrop to get my personal wallet!thanks to all! Smiley
very happy to be with you!
hero member
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Crypto is King.
I can haz qind0wz w4ll3t 4 c00ll3ct ma9 A1rdr0p n0w?
legendary
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You mean the Airdrop davide72?. The date to register for the Airdrop already expired. If you mean the forum of course you can, addresses are available in the OP.
I sent an email  ,i could not sign up when still was available! Did not know what happens! but ok!
legendary
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You mean the Airdrop davide72?. The date to register for the Airdrop already expired. If you mean the forum of course you can, addresses are available in the OP.
legendary
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can i join the website
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