Topic: [ANN][HUC] Huntercoin - Worlds First Decentralized Game/World on the Blockchain (Read 879705 times)

What is your objective?

1) To revive the chain you would need to pay somebody to update the client.

2) If you want to recoup your investment you can convert your huc to chi/xaya, except those which were on Poloniex were stolen by Poloniex.

3) If you did revive it there is still the bot problem. Mithril or somebody made bots that might get most coins.

4) If you want an up to date way to start an improved huntercoin you could look at https://xaya.io/ which was made by snaiilbrain and domob who made huntercoin.

You might attract more interest by coming up with an improved concept for a huc type coin built on Xaya, then making a new coin thread.

The general concept of AI is popular with crypto Einsteins https://numer.ai/ but so far the only AI options are a) Google's fake AI for govt/corporate scammers https://ai.google/ or b) Numerai and similar coins focused to a very narrow crypto audience.

A real AI coin, human mining that develops some sort of data, could be a major improvement over all existing crypto if it is designed so anybody can human mine it.

Sorry for spam. Just a status report. Have had a node running for most of this month, still no connections with anyone sharing any blocks. I actually had a backup of the blockchain up to 2021 but it was partially corrupted, which sucks. Might still be a working copy around somewhere if I look hard. But the easiest would be if someone who has one would log on.

Still no connections If anyone has peers to share let me know

I don't think any reissuing is necessary, stuff like that just happens sometimes with low hashrate blockchains. As long as it returns to a stable-ish state it'll be okay. It has a rich history dating back so many years, I don't think resetting is good. If anything maybe a fork from after the network halted to something more stable, keeping the coin history. But that'd be a lot of development effort. First priority should be to get the network back up and have 10+ synced nodes, then we can go from there.

So again, if anyone has a synced blockchain please log on and share it with others

There was a cryptoid explorer around that time, and iirc it looked like there might have been some monkeying, maybe an unnatural surge in the number of blocks.

A great idea might be to see if you can attract some developers, maybe domob and snailbrain would advise, and reissue the coin from scratch with a slow block emission, opposite of instamine, and make improvements.

Xaya might be the 'new improved' huc that lets a person create their own huc, not sure.

I know it synced easily back in 2021 so there should be people with a blockchain that goes that far back at least. That's what my copy is at too, but again, have to search a bit to find it.

I'm connected to two people who seem to have a pretty late block, 4280143, but they are not sending their blocks to let me sync. And it looks like the chain is stuck at that block. I guess I'll have to dig out my backup when I get a chance, I hope I have it still

does anyone have any node IPs I can add? The ones in the thread don't work. I had an old blockchain but some of the files were corrupted so I'm still missing a big chunk. I am also not sure when the blockchain stopped (if it has stopped). I am connected to two peers but they are not serving any data.

Do you have a relatively up to date client @domob ?  I tried starting from the pruned one too but that made no difference. I may have a blockchain copy somewhere on an old computer but it wouldn't be completely up to date.

I remember the thrill of playing Huntercoin, spending hours collecting coins and the journey back to base where hunters from the other factions were waiting to detonate in order to steal your harvest.
All actions in the game happened on the blockchain, you want to move from point A to B, that is a transaction that has to be mined in order for it to happen.
Then came the bots, which led to it's downfall.

Names in Huntercoin don't expire similar to Namecoin, but they are tied to survival of the associated "character" in the game.  All characters are wiped periodically in what is called a "disaster", after which any names can be re-registered by anyone.  So there is no way to guarantee that you remain owner of a given name, even if you actively try to do so (unlike Namecoin where you have to renew in time but can do that to remain owner for as long as you wish).

But yes, apart from that, I think Huntercoin has a lot of historical significance - it is just not collectible (apart from owning the coins).

Interesting, good to know, thanks for the insight.

I would imagine that assets have expiry dates as well, similar to Namecoin.

There will be a place for Huntercoin in the future as a historical cryptocurrency curio, and there will be nerds like me wanting to know more about how it worked, probably even decades from now (barring any sort of global catastrophe between now and then).

The chain may still be running, but honestly I have not checked in quite some time.  However, the screenshot you linked is slightly incorrect - Huntercoin does not use Namecoin names directly.  It uses the Namecoin codebase but on its own blockchain with modifications, like how Litecoin is based on Bitcoin but not "using Bitcoin assets".

I've seen interest from the historical NFT community in Huntercoin from time to time.  Unfortunately (from that point of view at least), Huntercoin does not have any collectible assets; account names are not durable, but get destroyed from time to time based on game events.  There is also the crown of fortune, but it is also something that gets transferred inside the game due to game play, so it cannot be "just owned" by a collector.

Sounds like the blockchain is no longer running? Received a nice shout-out on Twitter yesterday, in a mini-thread about early blockchain gaming:



If this project were to somehow be revived in its original form then there would be collectors of the old associated assets.

It's a past project.  Snailbrain and the others have moved on.  Snailbrain maintains HUC was long term only a test short project, there was a previous one before HUC.

The only way HUC is going to take back is if it's restarted from scratch with someone that has the abilities + then becomes merge mined with the largest BTC pools.  It wouldn't be easy.

I would probably relist HUC on my little altcoin exchange and Bitcoin faucet if it was started from scratch and scratch out that dev tax/premine stuff.

An interesting take, thanks.

I think I'll just pass on Huntercoin for now see how it does on its own.

-MarkM-

I have absolutely none of any old chain for it.

Hopefully if there are still people running it covertly some will come out of the closet.

With AXIOM when it forked so badly the exchange could not resolve it I "rescued" the branch they orphaned by cloning it as AXON and making sure AXON followed the chain the exchange did not. Though come to think of it neither is yet a "reserve currency" in the Milieu, aka a currency useable for "treasuries" and calculable in value from a "treasury" of its own.

So maybe if there are large alternate forks out there each can be given a different name and maybe fight for the old name or something

-MarkM-

It's pretty certain on a coin like this that there are small groups still running local versions covertly so your 'start from scratch' will be an orphaned chain if they have more marketing skills than you.

Just out of curiousity what is the date or number of the last block you have and would start with?

You could restart an explorer at cryptoid with your new chain, but again caution that something did not look quite right on the main chain last time there was a cryptoid explorer.

How we build a "treasury" could address some of that, since if the old coins are valuable they ought to be able to buy a lot of stuff to put in the "treasury"; whereas if they are worth close to nothing they'll be able to buy close to nothing to populate their "treasury" and donations will be needed to get a decent treasury together.

It might not need to be worth much at first though so maybe supporters could start a FreeCiv civilisation among the "civilised worlds" that uses HUC as its currency, and have that civilisation put some of its earnings into the "treasury" so as the civilisation grows so hopefully will the value of its currency.

We have already gone through this "turn it into a treasury-based currency in the Galactic Milieu" process with other coins, not all of them are worth a whole lot per coin either; a few alliances with other minor civilisations might find some willing to trade some of their currency for HUC to put in its treasury in return for some HUC to put in their own, things like that. Also it is possible some HUC whales might by now be whales in Xaya or various other currencies and be willing to put some of those toward the project of rebuilding HUC's buy-side order-books.

Or maybe HUC could just go the way of several early blockchain-based coins, recognising that paying third parties to mint their currency for them is a poor expense to carry and switch over to being natively a token on some token platform. As allowing third parties, some of whom might even be among one's actual enemies, to mint one's currency isn't always a great idea.

That last idea though doesn't fit with the idea of preserving HUC for its history, keeping it as antique-retro blockchain game.

-MarkM-

 
Thanks. I don't really have a choice if there are no nodes to connect to, will have to fire up another myself which will cause them to start from scratch.

If I do let it start from scratch thanks for reminder about pre-mine, I will look at code first to check it goes into the wallet not to some hard-coded address; or maybe just get rid of it. I seem to recall hearing it was modest amount, intended for bounties, and in any event ended up getting lost when developer was assassinated by whoever (maybe just the same old grim reaper that takes everyone in the end?)

Really though the point was, like with other "orphaned" coins, to pick up where it left off and see about building a "treasury" for it so that it can have a computed value per coin calculated by dividing the value of the "treasury" by the number minted.

Re-starting wouldn't be the same at all.

-MarkM-

Huntercoin was a great idea but at this point it might be better to start from scratch and reissue the coin with everything the same as from the genesis block, minus premine and with an updated client.

Some history which you know, but for the benefit of anybody else.
1) Many years ago circa 2013 / Coin ran great and took off immediately from the start.
edit to add 2/ Then Mikhail got assassinated by the cia/kgb/mi5/mossad/etc when they realized that real artificial intelligence will develop around this kind of project, not the horseshit Google and governments are selling as ai
2) Bots started running the show so people created bots instead of playing.
3) Was heavily traded on Poloniex and Xaya/Chi announced a free supply of the new coin to all Huntercoin holders.
4) Poloniex stole the Xaya/Chi that they were supposed to distribute to their customers.
5) Mining continued on a blockchain that had some questions raised about it, as yet unanswered as I recall.

Starting the coin from scratch, no premine, up to date client, slow emission curve would give some newer crypto enthusiasts a taste of what crypto was about one time long ago.

Domob used to maintain the client as I recall so it might be good to see if he would be willing to do such a project for free. Ha ha I am generous with asking other people to do stuff for free.

Edit to add
If a new coin used all the same parameters as the original huc then this same thread could be used. If old players whine too much about losing coins on the old chain it could be made something like one tenth of one percent of a tiny amount of the projected coin supply in 5 years will be in the old addresses. I still have a lot of huc and need the money so I would vote for that, but a clean chain might be better.

Edit to add 3 / Another option would be restart with the original history so people don't outright lose old coins, but make the new block reward such that the entire 'last known' coin supply on the old chain would be reissued in a few weeks or so on the new chain. That would make old coins worth very little but still something. That would need a block explorer though to examine the history roughly post 2019 to look for unusual surges in coin supply that might have been behind huc's early death.

edit to add 4 / if somebody like mithral made a bot template that allowed anybody to create customizable bots then you would have the first real ai coin, not counting corporate themed things like numerai