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Authorities in Europe have ruled that crypto mining is a financial service or better said AIF, an alternative investment fund. Basically to my understanding this is probably the end of envion as it renders their business model simply illegal, I guess they will have to pay back the money to investors, but not for sure, it might also just be distributed among the shareholders, I did not read the WP in this regard, maybe someone should do it to soon.

Interesting, but i am not sure how that renders the whole business model illegal, please explain if you have an insight on this.
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the capitalization of this project has greatly decreased. for today it is equal to $ 13,719,109 USD. this is a very low price for this project, which so many people believed during ico.
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Authorities in Europe have ruled that crypto mining is a financial service or better said AIF, an alternative investment fund. Basically to my understanding this is probably the end of envion as it renders their business model simply illegal, I guess they will have to pay back the money to investors, but not for sure, it might also just be distributed among the shareholders, I did not read the WP in this regard, maybe someone should do it to soon.

not only this, but sonm is coming out with their crypto iaas mainnet this june, which will pretty much use excess computing power from the network to mine coins at about 20% of the original mining cost. So, not only will envion pretty much be illegal in europe, but also obsolete
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Authorities in Europe have ruled that crypto mining is a financial service or better said AIF, an alternative investment fund. Basically to my understanding this is probably the end of envion as it renders their business model simply illegal, I guess they will have to pay back the money to investors, but not for sure, it might also just be distributed among the shareholders, I did not read the WP in this regard, maybe someone should do it to soon.
legendary
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I am not up to date as i have no time now, i lost over 95000 $ in thsi project so far due to  the situation. Can any one tell me what are the chance to recover our funds ?

just wait another 7-10 days there is supposedly an audit about to take place (if u believe what the founders are saying) early june to mid  they claim we will get answers.
If your down 95k there is no point in selling imo unless u need the money to eat im not going to sell for 10 cents on the dollar id rather lose it all then miss out if it comes back but that's your choice.
A little up the posted the telegram channels is where some discussions are taking place but its just a big shouting match of people playing the blame game.

It might come back .. they might be honest people that didn't just rob us .. do I believe everything said by either the Founders or MW Hell no.
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I am not up to date as i have no time now, i lost over 95000 $ in thsi project so far due to  the situation. Can any one tell me what are the chance to recover our funds ?
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Yes, there is a chance everything goes back on track. Woestmann supposedly has considered talk of a deal to 3rd party token holder group (only confirmed by 3rd parties not Woestmann himself), if genuine suggests he may be getting tired of all this. Founders suggesting if he makes an offer directly to them, they will consider it. Hopefully he'll be taken to court shortly and the first step of confirming his seizure was illegal will be confirmed and this uncertainty will end.
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promising project. I think this project will be successful

You write only garbage. such stupid comments should be deleted and the user blocked. that's just spam and the forum does not need something like that
   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/smartcontracts-1237841     only shit postings

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I typed this message here 3 weeks ago. Most of it has just come true

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For every  illegal token they sold, envion can now buy 6 tokens if envion sold all for $0.70. multiply that by 20.000.000 tokens = 120.000.000 tokens. With that, envion can now buy up all tokens while they do not have to spend a penny on it. It can still be a big tactic, which is part of the buisness plan. So watch out


This is something I thought about too. It is possible because only people who bought on exchanges will lose. They will have no place to go for help with this tokens. I heard this opinions lately about tokens sold on exchanges: "This is your gamble if you buy an ICO token".

Envion will swap 1:1 to not piss off investors because they have some legal rights and can look for justice in court. Finally, they make millions using this maneuver.

I'm still not 100% sure what will happen with tokens sold on exchanges. People who bought them really have no legal rights at all? Why? I think they can sue the company which listed this token on the exchange (if not P2P). If this token is fraud then somebody broke the law when listed on exchanges. Or not?

It would be great if somebody explains this in details.

Then tokens shouldn't be able to be transffered. And we are talking about value of EVN tokens not value of ICO investors.
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This is the worst ico by far.

Even if said that, hey we scammed you and run away would be better than this situation.

Sorry for the people that put money in this.
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I typed this message here 3 weeks ago. Most of it has just come true

snip

For every  illegal token they sold, envion can now buy 6 tokens if envion sold all for $0.70. multiply that by 20.000.000 tokens = 120.000.000 tokens. With that, envion can now buy up all tokens while they do not have to spend a penny on it. It can still be a big tactic, which is part of the buisness plan. So watch out


This is something I thought about too. It is possible because only people who bought on exchanges will lose. They will have no place to go for help with this tokens. I heard this opinions lately about tokens sold on exchanges: "This is your gamble if you buy an ICO token".

Envion will swap 1:1 to not piss off investors because they have some legal rights and can look for justice in court. Finally, they make millions using this maneuver.

I'm still not 100% sure what will happen with tokens sold on exchanges. People who bought them really have no legal rights at all? Why? I think they can sue the company which listed this token on the exchange (if not P2P). If this token is fraud then somebody broke the law when listed on exchanges. Or not?

It would be great if somebody explains this in details.
buy token/coin in ICO it's a high risk investment more than you buy bitcoin/ethereum
because

1. it's bassically taking away our fund out from the market and after listed on exchange, the price of the token it's depend on market situation and the price will fall below ICO when there is no new demand who want keep the token price around ICO price

2. when you invest in ICO by buying their token, it is does not mean you have right to own their company fund. it is all belong to them.

3. ICOs thing it's a start up bussiness,we can not make sure they will success or fail in the future. we only give away our trust without warranty that they will be success and share their profit to us.

4. a lot of scam ICO nowdays, which just want to ripp off our money our bitcoin our ethereum and then run away our fund when they do not want to continue their project

whatever Envion do for their investor. do you think Envion can return their ICO investors fund? lets see how it's work in the future Smiley
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I typed this message here 3 weeks ago. Most of it has just come true

snip

For every  illegal token they sold, envion can now buy 6 tokens if envion sold all for $0.70. multiply that by 20.000.000 tokens = 120.000.000 tokens. With that, envion can now buy up all tokens while they do not have to spend a penny on it. It can still be a big tactic, which is part of the buisness plan. So watch out


This is something I thought about too. It is possible because only people who bought on exchanges will lose. They will have no place to go for help with this tokens. I heard this opinions lately about tokens sold on exchanges: "This is your gamble if you buy an ICO token".

Envion will swap 1:1 to not piss off investors because they have some legal rights and can look for justice in court. Finally, they make millions using this maneuver.

I'm still not 100% sure what will happen with tokens sold on exchanges. People who bought them really have no legal rights at all? Why? I think they can sue the company which listed this token on the exchange (if not P2P). If this token is fraud then somebody broke the law when listed on exchanges. Or not?

It would be great if somebody explains this in details.
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I typed this message here 3 weeks ago. Most of it has just come true

Envion is no scam!
Envion will pay dividends. I'm not afraid of that!

KYC has nothing to do with this.

Think smartly ...... Do not talk nonsense .......... Put yourself in the shoes of a business owner

1th thing
You set up a company purely to make yourself rich.

2nd thing
As the owner of the company you are the king. Every person around that you have to pay monthly you would rather lose. So Envion the shareholders

3th thing. tactics.
If the revenues flow in you have to reduce the flow of funds as quickly as possible. For example, in a production factory, workers are replaced by automated robots.
Envion also does this with a well-thought-out business plan. They know that they can make the token price very low by deliberately not giving updates, waiting with paying dividends to create as much silent unrest as possible, but this is suspiciously noticeable.

4th thing
To earn back the investment
a production factory where the workers have been replaced for robots is quickly reclaimed because no money goes to the workers

Envion is buying a lot of shares back with the profits of the mines that had to be paid to the holders. (Someone who hides nothing playing open card with current mining results, someone who hides something will avoid everything as much as possible)


I know how hard buisness works.

This does not only happen with envion but very many icos. If you know that the CEO has a successful buisness career behind his name, then you have to assume that there is a well-thought-out plan behind it, but with every ico there is nothing strange about it. that's how it works. The envion's ceo is also a buisness man who knows how to handle it.

as a holder you just have to have done it. and if you do not have confidence then you just have to leave.


I have made the choice to leave and not return. Why?
Making 160% annual roi at envion or more than 4000% or much more profit per year by making a few smart trades

I wrote few things:

Envion is no scam
This I now give a yes and no. Envion has been robbed in this case and can not be mistaken as a scammer. Mr. Woestmann has taken away all investment money from the investors, without notifying investors for months. Woestmann can call his action a scam

KYC has nothing to do with this.    
I was right that this had nothing to do with KYC


You set up a company purely to make yourself rich.  
 I was right here. By selling during the period that envion could be illegally created tokens that had to be burned. To be able to get rich quickly



As the owner of the company you are the king. Every person around that you have to pay monthly you would rather lose. So Envion vs shareholders.
Yea, Woestmann "the king" takes off with the complete ico funds. More and more Hodlers step out of it now. maybe they buy the tokens sneaky to become a bigger shareholder


If the revenues flow in you have to reduce the flow of funds as quickly as possible. For example, in a production factory, workers are replaced by automated robots.
Envion also does this with a well-thought-out business plan. They know that they can make the token price very low by deliberately not giving updates, waiting with paying dividends to create as much silent unrest as possible, but this is suspiciously noticeable.
This case maybe does not need more units than they actually say. Now they try to work out as many tokenholders as possible by getting the price as low as possible to fill their own pockets

To earn back the investment
a production factory where the workers have been replaced for robots is quickly reclaimed because no money goes to the workers.

If they have almost all tokens in their possession, they no longer need to pay dividents to hodlers

Envion is buying a lot of shares back with the profits of the mines that had to be paid to the holders. (Someone who hides nothing playing open card with current mining results, someone who hides something will avoid everything as much as possible)
Almost right. Because the EVN tokens for the team themselves were locked for a certain period of time, they did Dumps with the millions of extra created tokens instead of buying token with mmu revenue to crash the price. Much cheaper and more effective. Especially by placing on very bad exchanges and low volume exchanges





For every  illegal token they sold, envion can now buy 6 tokens if envion sold all for $0.70. multiply that by 20.000.000 tokens = 120.000.000 tokens. With that, envion can now buy up all tokens while they do not have to spend a penny on it. It can still be a big tactic, which is part of the buisness plan. So watch out
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I wonder how many of the 22519 members actually will read this it is exhausting to stay abreast of this channel and I know I stopped looking for months. Very unfortunate

I don't think that changes nothing to follow the whole story for us, investors. After all, we can't do nothing while they proceed, so there is no sense to read the thread everyday.. personally i would forget my tokens in my wallet and probably come here like once every month or two to see if there is something to do.
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So trado put a toxic convertible inside the company? Who is the owner of the convertible? Also what is the conversion rate. This is like selling you a toxic public shell and hold on all the free trading share and try to make your stocks go lowest possible and take over the company by the toxic convertible (loan) and pump and dump (death coil or death spiral)
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I wonder how many of the 22519 members actually will read this it is exhausting to stay abreast of this channel and I know I stopped looking for months. Very unfortunate
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I am a very real investor but I assure you I have not looked at this channel in many months. I only looked randomly out of curiosity as I’m doing a new environmental project and wanted to see how the channel was managed as it seems so ott
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This all takes a long time to go to court. maybe even a total of 3 lawsuits because someone disagrees with the verdict.
Just assume that this year the ROI is 0% instead of 161%

Remember that there is no mmu built at all. only 1 or 2. A few months ago we even posted lies on twitter.
It said that the construction of the MMUs mass production had started and we got to see pictures of MMUs and mining hardware that were made for the first 2 mmus.

look at the pictures from medium
https://medium.com/@envion/sparks-fly-as-envion-mmu-production-starts-at-new-eu-factory-bee71d991741

and now here. then you just see the same kind of photos in certain places
https://twitter.com/envion_org/status/978359567049510912
https://twitter.com/envion_org/status/974641787515146240
https://twitter.com/envion_org/status/970298199079555072
https://twitter.com/envion_org/status/969540949188792322


So there is another half year extra. on top of the period of lawsuits. just for building the mmus.



When is everything ready? I think around 2020.
Exactly the year that the bitcoin mining reward is halved from 12btc to 6btc per block
Do you know what a good investment is? That is bitcoin and hodl to 2020.
BTC is easily worth half a million. and you also have a higher ROI.
https://www.bitcoinblockhalf.com/



How can it be proven who sold illigal tokens?



but it is money from the investors. as long as these lawsuits are running, nothing will be earned with mining.

Also found strange that envion in the ico state that you also had votingrights with the EVN tokens for important decisions.
After the ico you get papers with small letters that you agree that you did not get voting rights with the tokens.




This is the right time to have voting rights
Simply allow token holders to decide for themselves who they want to continue with.

Total number of tokens behind woestmann are then burned and converted to EVN2.
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After reading that article few posts above mine I also have lost remaining hopes. I was not ICO investors but tried to watch potential in ongoing issue thought may be things will settle down in good way. It was pure gamble to buy from exchange but with small loss I still had chance to escape while many people saw much more loss.
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For a long time I did not watch this topic. I did not think that such discussions are being held here. I saw that the price of the token fell. However, I thought that this was due to the fall of bitcoin
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