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sr. member
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May 14, 2014, 04:51:17 AM
Done.
Who else can help?
Keep the post alive.

Please take the time to post in this KarmaWorldCup.org launch thread from time to time, every time it hits the front page of [ANN] it gets about 40-50 views Smiley

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6697828

Done !

Please go post on this thread !  Smiley
legendary
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May 14, 2014, 02:58:43 AM
Karma Block and Coin release timeline.



Thanks for the post... this only highlights the point that Coin production is not the problem regarding the price of Karma.

the Market Cap for Karma is currently about $200,000 and it has been at around about that level for more than half of its life.

https://coinmarketcap.com/karm_180.html

what this tells us VERY clearly is that no change in how the coins are produced.. be that Mining algorithms, reductions in block reward, PoS or whatever,  is going to make much difference at all to the price of the coin because the real issue is and has always been that there are too many coins already in circulation.

Karmashares has addressed part of this issue and the price of Karma doubled (or you could say.. stopped falling) as a result.

I agree with almost everyone on this thread that has said that we should stop talking about the price of focus on growing the Pie (ie the community).. This is the only way the market cap can expand over the longer term and thus result in higher prices for Karma.

The only other option which could affect prices directly would be a reverse split and that would mean knocking a 0 or two off the balance of every single wallet in existence.. and I highly doubt anyone would agree to that...

I am glad to see that people are taking the initiative to come up with different ways to both help others and put Karma into the spotlight. this is the way forward so lets continue on this path...

for what its worth.. I am a miner and a trader and a candle stick maker (of the stock market variety) and I would much rather see real people in need being helped by Karma than see early adopters argue about how Karma can line their pockets.

I know I am guilty of being a bit ideological at times... and I can be greedy too... that's why I own shitty coins like Maxcoin...  but I am going to try and be a bit less of both going forward...
im going to stop short of asking everyone to hold hands and sing Kumbaya but you get the idea Lolz.


While the price is possibly going down due to the over-inflation caused by the coins being minted, this brings up a good point: as the coins slow down in production, it is easier to keep the value going up. With how things are going, the price is going to drop until the halving point, then increase, then drop until halving, and continue that cycle. The only way to fight it is to have more money coming in that is going out (more people investing than divesting). With the projects being released, that should hopefully lead to more money being brought in, and therefore stabilization of the price (and hopefully rising as well).
sr. member
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May 14, 2014, 02:54:21 AM
Done.
Who else can help?
Keep the post alive.

Please take the time to post in this KarmaWorldCup.org launch thread from time to time, every time it hits the front page of [ANN] it gets about 40-50 views Smiley

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6697828
hero member
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May 14, 2014, 02:51:53 AM
Karma Block and Coin release timeline.



Thanks for the post... this only highlights the point that Coin production is not the problem regarding the price of Karma.

the Market Cap for Karma is currently about $200,000 and it has been at around about that level for more than half of its life.

https://coinmarketcap.com/karm_180.html

what this tells us VERY clearly is that no change in how the coins are produced.. be that Mining algorithms, reductions in block reward, PoS or whatever,  is going to make much difference at all to the price of the coin because the real issue is and has always been that there are too many coins already in circulation.

Karmashares has addressed part of this issue and the price of Karma doubled (or you could say.. stopped falling) as a result.

I agree with almost everyone on this thread that has said that we should stop talking about the price of focus on growing the Pie (ie the community).. This is the only way the market cap can expand over the longer term and thus result in higher prices for Karma.

The only other option which could affect prices directly would be a reverse split and that would mean knocking a 0 or two off the balance of every single wallet in existence.. and I highly doubt anyone would agree to that...

I am glad to see that people are taking the initiative to come up with different ways to both help others and put Karma into the spotlight. this is the way forward so lets continue on this path...

for what its worth.. I am a miner and a trader and a candle stick maker (of the stock market variety) and I would much rather see real people in need being helped by Karma than see early adopters argue about how Karma can line their pockets.

I know I am guilty of being a bit ideological at times... and I can be greedy too... that's why I own shitty coins like Maxcoin...  but I am going to try and be a bit less of both going forward...
im going to stop short of asking everyone to hold hands and sing Kumbaya but you get the idea Lolz.
hero member
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May 14, 2014, 02:48:16 AM


I am suggesting filters like last 24hrs, last hour, last week, sort by date, sort by relevance


Please add this feature... It's a must for any search engine.
hero member
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Creator of the ICO
May 14, 2014, 02:33:52 AM
Lill beta 6-hour preview, starting now.

I will open Lill for a 6-hour preview to test the site with a few more users.

READ THE NOTES FIRST! click here


Awesome search engine. Can we have search tools options similar to google ?

What tools are you asking about? So far it looks really similar (even things like being able to search for images and such). I'm not understanding what you were thinking is missing?

I am suggesting filters like last 24hrs, last hour, last week, sort by date, sort by relevance

For new features we will first focus on integrating Karma and allowing advertisers to advertise.

The other bells and whistles not already developed can come later if there is user demand.
newbie
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May 14, 2014, 02:07:58 AM
Lill beta 6-hour preview, starting now.

I will open Lill for a 6-hour preview to test the site with a few more users.

READ THE NOTES FIRST! click here


Awesome search engine. Can we have search tools options similar to google ?

What tools are you asking about? So far it looks really similar (even things like being able to search for images and such). I'm not understanding what you were thinking is missing?

I am suggesting filters like last 24hrs, last hour, last week, sort by date, sort by relevance
legendary
Activity: 1988
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May 14, 2014, 01:52:49 AM
Lill beta 6-hour preview, starting now.

I will open Lill for a 6-hour preview to test the site with a few more users.

READ THE NOTES FIRST! click here


Awesome search engine. Can we have search tools options similar to google ?

What tools are you asking about? So far it looks really similar (even things like being able to search for images and such). I'm not understanding what you were thinking is missing?
newbie
Activity: 23
Merit: 0
May 14, 2014, 01:30:47 AM
Lill beta 6-hour preview, starting now.

I will open Lill for a 6-hour preview to test the site with a few more users.

READ THE NOTES FIRST! click here


Awesome search engine. Can we have search tools options similar to google ?
bcd
sr. member
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May 14, 2014, 01:14:32 AM
Karma Block and Coin release timeline.

Just wanted to create a simple chart of where we are currently, where we have been and where we will be in just a few short months.

In terms of total coins, we have already released over 50B and the current release rate of 110,000 KARMs per minute will enjoy a 75% reduction on approximately June 23rd.  This will be the largest drop in our coins history comparing one reward to the next.  This will obviously create a scarcity issue for the miners and for us hunters of cheap KARMs. Sad

Once we reach October, we will drop to our final reward level of only 10,000 KARMs per minute.  At this point we will have released 70% of the total coins!

This rate of release will stay constant for the remaining 28B coins which will trickle out for the following five years and four and half months.  The final block will be found around Feb 13th, 2020.

Miners get those easy KARMs while they last! Smiley



Excellent. Thank you.
hero member
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Creator of the ICO
May 14, 2014, 01:02:55 AM
Lill beta 6-hour preview, starting now.

I will open Lill for a 6-hour preview to test the site with a few more users.

READ THE NOTES FIRST! click here
hero member
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May 13, 2014, 10:31:50 PM
Please take the time to post in this KarmaWorldCup.org launch thread from time to time, every time it hits the front page of [ANN] it gets about 40-50 views Smiley

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6697828
hero member
Activity: 518
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May 13, 2014, 09:30:04 PM
Karma Block and Coin release timeline.

Just wanted to create a simple chart of where we are currently, where we have been and where we will be in just a few short months.

In terms of total coins, we have already released over 50B and the current release rate of 110,000 KARMs per minute will enjoy a 75% reduction on approximately June 23rd.  This will be the largest drop in our coins history comparing one reward to the next.  This will obviously create a scarcity issue for the miners and for us hunters of cheap KARMs. Sad

Once we reach October, we will drop to our final reward level of only 10,000 KARMs per minute.  At this point we will have released 70% of the total coins!

This rate of release will stay constant for the remaining 28B coins which will trickle out for the following five years and four and half months.  The final block will be found around Feb 13th, 2020.

Miners get those easy KARMs while they last! Smiley

sr. member
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May 13, 2014, 08:24:15 PM
Common guys.

Point more hashing power to Karma.

You can try my pool if you want.
pool.terahashers.com

It has variable difficulty to better use the mining equipment and internet connection, and you do not even need to register (wallet address as username on 'minerd' or 'cgminer', with any password).
hero member
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May 13, 2014, 06:40:13 PM
guy you have to be patient. we can not help the dumping from stoping. if every person in the crypto world knew about the coin and believed in it we would not have sell order. we can not help that. we can only reach so much people and educate them. the rest only believe in other coin. there is also a lot of POS coins that mine us to sell to buy their coins. we are one of the few Scrypt algo coins to stay active.

why do i mention this? because out of most scrypt coin we reach the top coins to mine everytime we rise to 39-42 litoshish. seriously. we are number one target for mining most of the times. This bring all the miner as mention above on board. and also the multipool of other coins.

in one more month we will drop our block rewards drastically. We started with almost 1.5 mill coin a block. In one moth we will be at 35,000 coins for block reward.

i personally am proud we have been moving along so smoothly. Soon it will be non profitable to mine our coin. this will result in people having to buy the coin if the want to own a slice or our pie. this will rise our buy prices up until 30 000 boin reward become profitable to mine once more.

simple math. coin reward will drop %75 percent. to be profitable to mine it will need to raise %750 more in price. this will bring back miners who will sell and keep the price stable from rising some more.


and this is only if our team does nothing else to create additional values. you know a lot of our members are building so many other services that will create revenue to build buy orders.

at the same time , hopefully by july we have all come in agreement in POS implementation and this will create much more buy interest.

i am not worried. this coin is too good to die. maybe prices will dip down to few litoshish until then. but rest assure we will not stop building a stronger Part D


with this being said. please join our team if you have skills that can help us improve. whether you are a dev, ghrafic designer, web designer, market and PR or simple have free time to dedicate to helping promote the goals of our coin. join the team. be in the known : )

it goes without saying we are looking for people who want to help the coin grow organically and progressively. we are not looking to create fake hypes
Just because we're talking about the market doesn't mean we're worried. At least I am not. I just checked, my 1st Karma purchase was at 7 satoshi and I have bought all the way down to 10 litoshi. And back up all the way to 70 litoshi, and all the way back down to 37 litoshi. Only ever sold small amounts.

Sure, I'd rather see Karma traded at 70 or 120 or 250 litoshi. But since I have no intention to sell anyway, its just a technicality. In the long run it won't matter. It will all seem cheap a year from now...
sr. member
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May 13, 2014, 05:23:49 PM
I am also more pro-pos but I think chargin got a point with the interests...
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Ask me about Karmacoin
May 13, 2014, 04:28:02 PM
[snip]
8. I don't have an issue with a company giving me some of its shares for free. However, Karma LLC should not piggy back on Karma's announcement that it might be going to PoS. The entities should be kept as separate as possible to prevent the value of Karma being pegged against a start-up company.

Sorry, I don't understand. Would you care to explain?

The way Karma price could be pegged against the Karmashares LLC price is you are making a direct way to value something (Karma) which otherwise has no value. Obviously this doesn't matter too much anyways if you always allow people to continue to invest in Karmashares LLC with Karma. I'm sure you know my position on Karmashares LLC vs Karma.

Also, I think we should take this transition opportunity to review everything about the coin, including but not limited to transaction fees, block times and everything that can be changed about a coin. Obviously massive changes like this should only ever be done once, so everything should be reviewed now.

Because I made so many points in my original post, I'll expand on the most important three:
Interest being too high.
We have to remember that Karma is primarily a currency.
1. I consider the interest to be similar to inflation, only the holders purchasing power remains the same (all other things being equal). For anyone not holding the currency it would appear as if the inflation rate is over 6%. The inflation rate should be more in line with developed economies currencies at around 1.5-2.5% per annum. People perceive a currency with a high level of inflation as not stable because it doesn't hold value.

Of course I'm taking an extremely long term view here (decades) because the main price driver in all crytocuncies for at least the next ten years will be speculation because Karma has no value unless people give it one, which is also true about fiat currencies. $100 isn't worth anything unless I can swap it with somebody for something. It will always be this way for crpytocurrencies because there is no centralised government increasing and decreasing the flow of the currency to keep it stable. However over time as more people assign a value to cryptocurrencies the more stable they will become against fiat currencies, good and services. At this time speculation will decrease because other investments will have higher possible returns, speculators will over time sell out to people who are using the coin as a currency.

2. If the interest rate is too high not enough Karma will be kept on exchanges. This may not sound like an issue for speculators because it means it is far more likely the currency will increase in value (less to buy on the sell side to push up the price) however it will also make the currency less stable...less like a currency.

3. If the interest rate is too high it may encourage bad practices by exchanges. Exchanges might keep funds in less secure wallets to try to take advantage of the interest.

The decision shouldn't be based on price.
It just doesn't look good if the decision is being made on price. The decision should be made based on what will be the best for Karma in decades to come. Ok, I just wanted to say this again not explain it.

There should be no coin cap.
If inflation works up to the "market cap" it should work beyond it. There is no need to make a two stage process three stages. Either go PoS with no inflation or go PoS and keep inflation. I believe PoS and keep inflation is better because it is more realistic compared to fiat currencies. However this point only applies if the interest is below 3%. Also if the inflation is removed the network may lose some of its security (depending on how exactly the PoS works).

The main advantages of PoS are:
1. The network is more secure;
2. The network costs far less to run (I'd call "saving the planet" good karma); and
3. It encourages people to take their Karma off exchanges unless they plan on selling it in the near future. There is over 2 billion Karma on the market of a single exchange at the moment, probably billions more not on the market just sitting in the exchanges accounts. I don't like concentrations of Karma because it won't take much in the wrong hands to crash its price.

The disadvantages of going to PoS are:
1. It could be completely screwed up, as per my limited understanding of the transition process, moving to PoS would be almost like 51% attacking Karma ourselves. We are doubling the amount of Karma and saying half of it is worthless now because these guys say so.
2. People with mining rigs that don't want to buy coins can no longer mine for them. People can mine other coins and then purchase Karma however some people will be unwilling to take this extra step. Mining is becoming harder and harder for individuals so I think this point will become less valid over time.

I think the advantages are greater than the disadvantages. I'm willing to risk losing the value of a few Karma now if things go wrong to see Karma survive long into the future.

Chargin.

i like the way you think. i do not agree with everything but you make some good points. most importantly you challenge us. You should be more involved and make sure you use your well thought opinions and experience to either contradict or defend some of our goals. The more people like you get involved the more information we have to use choose practical solutions as they emerge.

To everyone reading this: this is your coin as much as ours. never forget that. we are trying hard to create a voting system where everyone has a say and votes in their opinion. help us make better decisions by speaking out.
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Ask me about Karmacoin
May 13, 2014, 04:21:35 PM
guy you have to be patient. we can not help the dumping from stoping. if every person in the crypto world knew about the coin and believed in it we would not have sell order. we can not help that. we can only reach so much people and educate them. the rest only believe in other coin. there is also a lot of POS coins that mine us to sell to buy their coins. we are one of the few Scrypt algo coins to stay active.

why do i mention this? because out of most scrypt coin we reach the top coins to mine everytime we rise to 39-42 litoshish. seriously. we are number one target for mining most of the times. This bring all the miner as mention above on board. and also the multipool of other coins.

in one more month we will drop our block rewards drastically. We started with almost 1.5 mill coin a block. In one moth we will be at 35,000 coins for block reward.

i personally am proud we have been moving along so smoothly. Soon it will be non profitable to mine our coin. this will result in people having to buy the coin if the want to own a slice or our pie. this will rise our buy prices up until 30 000 boin reward become profitable to mine once more.

simple math. coin reward will drop %75 percent. to be profitable to mine it will need to raise %750 more in price. this will bring back miners who will sell and keep the price stable from rising some more.


and this is only if our team does nothing else to create additional values. you know a lot of our members are building so many other services that will create revenue to build buy orders.

at the same time , hopefully by july we have all come in agreement in POS implementation and this will create much more buy interest.

i am not worried. this coin is too good to die. maybe prices will dip down to few litoshish until then. but rest assure we will not stop building a stronger Part D


with this being said. please join our team if you have skills that can help us improve. whether you are a dev, ghrafic designer, web designer, market and PR or simple have free time to dedicate to helping promote the goals of our coin. join the team. be in the known : )

it goes without saying we are looking for people who want to help the coin grow organically and progressively. we are not looking to create fake hypes
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