Topic: [ANN][KARM] Karma / ₭ / X11 - page 91. (Read 583113 times)

You know, now that you mention it, those are some pretty good ideas Alphi!  (other than the fact that my only involvement is with StartJOIN not StartCOIN)

I bet it would work cross-coinbase too!  In fact I bet it could be done even easier.

Say someone offers to accept "old Karma" for "new Givecoin" (heck it could even be "old Givecoin" -- current Litecoin --  whatever doesn't matter)

The offer is open for 30 days -- totally voluntary.

The kicker?

At the end of the offer period all those "old Karma" are dumped onto the exchange potentially crashing the market into oblivion.

You have a very devious mind Alphi -- it amuses me that you came up with this!

In all seriousness though, it occurs to me that you all COULD have a "BURN PARTY" where you purposely shrink your open coinbase -- ala

https://blockchain.info/address/1CounterpartyXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXUWLpVr

I know the Dogecoin community has been considering it...

It's another way you could do a "reverse split" without having to actually do a coin recall (which is what you'd likely have to do ala StartCOIN as Alphi mentioned)

It would be completely transparent as you could instantly re-verify all your top holders.

-dvd

Great. It's a deal.  Let me be the first to say that I have the highest regard for your expertise and passion and have appreciated the fact that you have been willing to invest as much time as you have engaging in dialogue.

I'm assuming that you have better things to do with your time (and hopefully more profitable :-)

So thank you.

And I hereby apologize for anything that I said to you that made you feel bad in anyway.

-dvd

That's a nice analysis, but you're missing the point where Karma should have a purpose other than being a transactional coin that rewards and enriches miners and investors.

Trust me we will absolutely take our stewardship of Givecoin seriously -- it's not a coin for miners and investors anyway -- its a coin for real world people with real world uses.

I have no interest whatsoever in your scheme to "make a community rich, generous, and happy"  - no one person should ever convince you otherwise.  You make your own wealth.

See, that just points out what is so fundamentally perverse with what you've let Karma become.

And as I have ZERO interest in buying Karma as it exists today because it was launched with less than honorable intentions and is currently held by people I would rather not reward for that behavior.

So the best way I CAN support the community is by helping to facilitate a better method and dialogue around what karma should become.

Seriously guys, if you can't convince me to invest in your coin -- your "warm welcome" aside -- how do you think you'll attract bigger money and deeper pockets to get involved?

Its pretty obvious that you are all waiting around in some kind of "mexican stand-off" with each other, trying to figure out who's going to shoot first.  

And everyday you waste not coming to consensus is another day someone else will cash out and move on.

So my advice is -- reverse split your coin and move to some form of POS (either stake or storage) -- find people in the real world who are willing to acquire your tokens and USE them for something.

You already know what you need to do -- most of you are too afraid to be among the first to admit it

Yes, that works for me.

Actually I thought the offer of REAL MONEY to pay for development ranks a lot higher than just about anything else?


You're the only one who keeps making that unfounded claim of theft.  No one else here and certainly none of the people I've been engaging with in PMs or on Skype seem to think that.   There's nothing to steal anyway, its all open source and even the Trademark appears to have very little value given the number of other Karma related trademarks that appear to have some more value and utility, in fact my own DNS registration of karmatag.org in 2009 qualifies as "prior use" -- so I'm not sure what your point is trying to demonize me?

So shall we call a truce then on the personal jibes then?

-dvd

I think its pretty clear what the little D wants to do if he gets control of Karma...


http://www.pr.com/press-release/559444

if you look at the givecoin thread you will see that it is dead, the community is gone and who knows if it will ever come back.

IMO the little D wants to substitute Karma for givecoin.
this will mean reducing the total number of coins, switching to a new blockchain, implementing PoS and distributing the coins more "evenly".

in other words he likely wants to copy startjoin's coin Startcoin where everyone on the old blockchain was forced to switch over to the new chain and claim their coins within 30 days or get completely screwed. This also includes anyone who happens to be on an exchange that doesn't switch over in time (read up on StartCoin its nasty)... He will also most likely premine a whole bunch of coins too and force people to sign up to his website to get "free" coins.

this is why he does not purchase coins on the open market or actively participate in the community building projects.

this is the conclusion that I have come to based upon the things he has said and his prior involvement with givecoin and startjoin.

just my opinion of course, since nobody can predict the future, but its seems pretty obvious to me what he wants.

to the little D man.. I would just like to say.. fix Givecoin first.. make that community rich, generous and happy.. if you do that then you have proven your worth and everyone from karma will beg you to come back and fix Karma too.. until then you are just going round and round in circles and pissing in the wind.

Ok. Ill let Who be aware of these suggestions, thanks. Please make an NHZ wallet asap!

Some suggestions about OP:
1. Remove this big red "ATTENTION: MANDATORY WALLET UPGRADE" from OP. And maybe everything before the embedded youtube video.
2. Remove everything between "Mark your calendars" and Karma logo.
3. Remove "Time Warp + More (pg.140) SIDECHAIN+ (pg. 143).
4. Reopen the "News" section and add to it "nhzKARM Asset" news with direct link to the other thread.

Hahahaha, lol, really?!?  Is this guy still trying?  I admit it, he doesn`t understand what is the meaning of failure and the word NO. 

Wow, that first paragraph was your excuse for saying stupid shit about my family, because you wanted to sound smart? My mother has been dead for 25 years so let's try again. Your excuse was to attack me and call me bipolar? I think you need to step back take a deep breath and stop whatever you think you are doing right, because you are not.

The most spectacular thing you say is that the only thing you try to bring to the table is "unbiased outside perspective".

BOOT UP YOUR SERVICES AND please keep your personal criticism of other people people out of this thread.. Also stop insinuating you are going to steal KARM.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=806320.new#new

Why is this a good way to support KARMA?

Because this method is more profitable compared to the usual donation-calling for every KARMA development and maintenance need that comes up. It is also more secured than just sending KARMA coins to a wallet and hoping that those coins will be safe and growing. In this method, everyone will have the value of their coin in their control, they can choose to resell the assets they bought if ever they need to convert it again into another form of currency or asset. This will also bring the whole KARMA community in tune with the changing crypto currency landscape by making use of the emerging assets exchanges advancements. Paving the way into a more liquid KARMA economy by providing many potential users, another way to acquire KARMA. When the multigateway method is finally implemented into the NHZ network, it will also be a way to instantly exchange Karma into any other supported coin without going to a coin exchange.

I totally agree with you most of the time -- it's just that your thin-skinned nature just makes you look like a hypocrite.  Between your viper-tongue and your wounded-soldier routine, seriously are you bi-polar?  And from what others have been telling me about you in private posts, I'm not the only one who's noticed.

Personally, and this is probably going to come as a complete surprise to most of you, I could care less if you LIKE me.  What matters more is whether or not I can competently execute.  Management and structure is not a popularity contest -- show me where that has served anyone's long term interests in the real world.

I'm sorry if I'm not a sycophantic cheer leader.  I'm trying to bring an unbiased outside perspective to your actual dire situation.  I'm not going to sugar coat anything.

The only WEIGHT I've thrown around is the offer to host core services and pay for API development as well as other bounties.

I've OFFERED to host the development in a legal non-profit digital trust for the benefit of the community.

Your coin has a great name, but when people start cashing out and the exchanges no longer find it profitable to support your transactions it will die.

What your coin needs is a new lease on life -- one with a purpose that transcends rewarding miners and investors.

The LLC was sham -- as was the disingenuous lill.com offer and all those other faux adjunct "services" -- you know it, I know it, and the Swiss most certainly know it.

I'd like to think that my hard questions as well as paying an attorney to review it's legality helped play some small part in bringing that to light.  Because it was just a matter time before one of you complained to the SEC who would have most certainly come down on KOSMOST like a ton of bricks.

So again, if you're interested in building this coinbase on transparency and with a purpose, I think you'll find my offer to be the only one still on the table:

+ Centralized problem manage and actual accountability
+ Project management methodology to triage, score and manage workflow
+ Free hosting services for seed nodes and check-pointing servers
+ Consistent and reliable wallet generation and development
+ Community driven consensus model that helps to govern the coins use and development
+ Software bounty matching funds from Strength in Numbers Foundation

There is nothing to "steal" -- everything you can do in Karma we can do in 2Give -- wouldn't it be more satisfying if the power went to Karma?

One other small request?  Try assuming "good intentions" the next time you hit "quote/reply" -- I'm certainly giving you all a free pass ;-)

-dvd

What is this and how does it help Karma in one paragraph?

Here:

It's time to get your free nhzKARM Asset!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=806320.new#new


Towards a stronger Karma.

Guys please stick around as I put finishing touches to a good announcement I will make shortly...

It may even answer your  craving for 92 000 000 ^_^


-east


YES! DON'T GO YET!

 

+1.

yep.. your way is just the reverse of my suggestion so it would work too.
I agree crypto land is all about experimentation and learning... anyone who comes here expecting to get rich does not realize the true value of the knowledge and insight that they are already gaining.

oh man.. it was only 15 coin on that list when i decided to contact him! just went back to check the list and ...

exactly. this is why i am not glorifying. Also this is a project that he has been working on for ages. Maybe on rev 2 he will fix most of the problem. But yeah. not to happy the only way to prove i own karma coin is to import priv keys. A very hard thing to do.

the work around could be that before the snap shot of karmacoin blockchain everyone willing to participate open a brand new temp wallet. move coins there before the snap shot. after the snap shot bring the coins right back to personal wallet. You can then import the temp wallet old keys, with now 0 value , to the projectx wallet and you will receive the % of the token.  

I just figured it seems like and interesting project. So i said, karma deserves to be there.

"tiny" you say? But I do share some of the Alphi`s concerns. First, let`s see what will happen.
179th place for Karma?!? Relax. It is alphabetical order. Our coin is №1.
It is good thought exchanges are out of the equation.