Topic: [ANN][KARM] Karma / ₭ / X11 - page 95. (Read 583113 times)

This is just another website. Not much of a service and I don`t see the value for Karma. But maybe I am wrong.
Tell me please, what kind of lessons have you learned from Give coin failure? And how do you intend to not make the same mistakes with Karma? Why do you think GC failed?
What do you think is the most important thing for Karma? Building community or something else? And please, this time don`t quote old marketing books. To some people you sound too naive.
Karma has its purpose and consumers. It lacks core services, good marketing (communication, not building value). It also lost its good side - being good and honest to each other (which includes not trying to hijack something). The most important thing is to build community, followers, believers, not CONSUMERS.
You know, leaders are born that way and can develop their leadership skills until they reach 25 years. After that it is impossible. Are you a leader? Do you have leadership skills? Can you make people follow you? Can you influence people?
And once again, what exactly is stopping you to create service for Karma?
I hope my questions are not too difficult to answer. From time to time I am asking such questions in order to build my opinion. And one more thing - being transparent as a person and/or organization doesn`t bring any value. Nobody cares if you are a person, organization, which is your country of residence, etc. All that matters is the results. Also, do not assume that someone who is declaring his holdings is the bigger Karma stakeholder.

P.S. By knowing kosmost (despite only virtually), I am sure no matter what (all of the insulting, trolling, etc), he will not give any service to anyone who is not having his heart lying with Karma. Keep this in mind.

David,
I agree with you about Andre and Perica and fully understand and support their efforts.
What I have trouble understanding is what you want out of this? Do you intend to buy into the currency and see a value increase, looking for "project related work" that can help pay for your own costs or is there something else to it?

Personally, since I don't intend to "dump and run"  what ever helps the coin  I'm pretty agreeable to.

Kosmost has a real name and it's known to some people (I forgot it) but I don't think anyone here is entitled to it because while he is a jerk he is not a criminal (atleast not where I live), and so no need for it really unless for intimidation or similar stuff which is not how karma-people should operate.

Kosmost: i'd still like to know about the $500/month cost for Lill.com

Is it possible for kosmost to live in Hong Kong, but being citizen of USA? And because he wanted the llc to be trustworthy, he established it in USA where SEC is regulating? Do you think if it is possible for someone here to know his real name and exactly who he is? I am not sure about all that, just asking...

Who do you think will be the CONSUMER of Karma? What do you think the PURPOSE of Karma should be?

In theory, other than the issue surrounding the legitimacy of the USPTO Trademark (actually it appears to be a Service Mark designation) -- I think it's possible.  See what we did with:

http://karmarewards.me

Over the weekend...

Look familiar?  (It should as long as one trusts the completeness of wget -m )

It's just a raw clone, no edits on underlying links yet...

It would be in the communities better interest of course if there was at least an explicit if not tacit secession of power/control/transfer by the current "team" -- if even that means a simple public declaration of support.

The critical components of the core services IMHO are the checkpointing servers.  Everything else can run fully de-coupled.  I would ask that Andre & Perica step up to share hosting/replication responsibilities with us.  

I would propose that we establish a VPN between Strength in Numbers infrastructure and theirs in order to build a stronger Web of Trust.

-dvd

Can you do this without the permission of current devs? I think otherwise Karma is not going any where..

Thank you.

Let's look at the facts here.  Andre, Perica, and I (David) have been 110% transparent with everyone on who we are and what our interest in Karma is.  We have disclosed actual real physical places of business.  

The mysterious Kosmost trail seems to in theory start with a filing in Wyoming, USA -- an address in a office building in Walnut, California and ends at a 3F location in a high rise building in Hong Kong that is evidently under watch for financial impropriety.

As Perica pointed out, none of the other current "team" wants to disclose their true identities.  Pretty hard to build trust I agree.

Since Andre & Perica are currently two of the largest stakeholders in the coin, it's fully within their power to elect to go in any direction they want to.  I fully support them and hope to join them in some specific project related work.

In the mean time, my offer to move central services and wallet development into the non-profit Strength in Numbers Foundation is still on the table.  You're not going to get any greater transparency than you will find in an IRS-990 form (google it if you need to know what that is)

That's the minimum TRIAGE to set a new foundation.  The coin still needs a PURPOSE and a CONSUMER if you want it to have a strategic value and on-going UTILITY.

-David

Kosmost, please break down how LILL.com was costing $500 a month.

Who's askin? The one who claimed so much and never offered any proof? Neither regarding your pseudo-llc, nor your identity or any of the "products" you supposedly have been working on, "offers" you claim to have received or the "threats" from mysterious individuals? You have an obligation towards the community and not the other way around.

But anyway, it's not worth spending a single second discussing with you as you're the embarrassing symbol of the shameful past of our wonderful cryptocurrency.

Please sue me for my "untrue" statement. You know who I am and where I live.

And as already mentioned, we will stick to our promise and will do our best to help Karma and cooperate with trustworthy people on a project-driven case-by-case basis but we have come to the conclusion that we don't need the authorization or help of an individual we consider to be part of the current problems, not of possible solutions.

Many thanks for your attention.

Best regards

Perica

I tire of asking for any logical explanation regarding these really stupid and ignorant comments, but....

do you care to offer any reasoning for this unfounded and untrue (and ignorant) statement?

It is my understanding that the "we" that perhan007 refers to is him and scryptminer. I have not confirmed this with him.

Chargin.

Did Satoshi complain about users spreading FUD about Bitcoin in 2009?

If you make a good product, there is no need for marketing.

We're suppouse to unite. Not divide.

Please stop bringing more drama to our coin. We are trying to recover and this is basically kicking all of us in our teeth.

There is nothing stoping you from helping out. Not sure what kind of "services" prevents your from doing this. :/

Dear Karma community,

Please let us provide you with an update regarding our plans:

-   We don’t have the intention to cooperate with the current dev team and get anything transferred anymore but to clone and improve the existing content, make sure that the coins lifeline cannot simply disappear and add value. The reasons are, that

o   the involvement of the current developers into the latest incidents related to karmashares and the pseudo-offer regarding lill.com remains completely unclear,

o   the departure of Kosmost smacks of fraud,

o   nobody seems to be willing to disclose their own identities which makes the whole thing suspicious,

o   nobody of the involved individuals seems to be willing to use any funds to finance future projects,

o   we consider the lack of any visible mid-term / long-term strategies not a good basis to establish trust.

(non-exhaustive list).

-   As the current situation is not the fault of Karma as a cryptocurrency and we consider the project to be worth supporting, we see no reason not to simply go our own way and cooperate with trustworthy people on a project-driven case-by-case basis. Ultimately, the community shall decide and we appreciate the dedication of any single member. We will keep you updated. Many thanks for your attention and the support.

Best regards

Perica

Complete silence for a day... that's not good... if devs feels exhausted or unable to continue, it'll be better to exchange to the hands  of those shown interest earlier(If they are still interested..)

Safe travels

Have you seen my message to you?

Goodluck and enjoy your travel ACG! We will be here when you visit.

Enjoy