Topic: [ANN][KARM] Karma / ₭ / X11 - page 93. (Read 583254 times)

Ahh ok sorry for the mix up, I received 3M some hours ago and your post coincided with it's timing...Bitcoin donation wallet is still syncing.. 15 weeks to go. This is because I rebuilt my system. Somehow the database was corrupted so it has to be re downloaded. I have no idea how much you sent in at the moment...and I wish I love to make spreadsheets ^_^. Thanks again.

Regarding the game, Ill try to embed the java file I got or I'll wait till ptman find another time to be around.

BTW. There will be some pleasant surprise for the likes of you who donated for our services expenditures...Coming soon!

Bitpay?
https://github.com/bitpay

I saw a new opensource merchant API project for bitcoin released a few days ago but it is not really forkable right now because it relies on external block explorers not a local wallet. I would have forked it otherwise.

Does anyone here know about an opensource merchant APIs for bitcoin or similar coin. I'll port and host it if someone points me in the right direction.

Actually I sent BTC, lol. Thing is I have done several other donations in the past, often without posting here. I don't believe I need to always out myself as the one contributing, I just did it the last time because I wanted to put some weight behind my point that fairglu deserves his payment and this time because you really seem to like making Excel spreadsheets.

edit: ptman is the better person to answer that as he did the coding, but from what I remember it should work just fine if wrapped in an iframe, or be hosted as a static HTML file...

Gee I wonder how this started.

I am sure most people here can see who is aggressive.

The "nonsense" you are putting up with is people telling you "no you can't have ownership of karma" and "no we don't want to listen to your threats about forking everything and moving along without us"... So please... just create your services and let's see what happens. Can you walk the walk or do you just talk.

The only people any karma-stakeholder should take seriously are people who are running services for karma. Anyone can _SAY_ that they want to do this and that for the coin but if they don't why the fuck would you trust them?! Anyway... I am out for today.

Yes let's try and stay on track without resorting to comparing penis size shall we?  Or would you rather we go to the range and compare who's the better shot with a 9MM ?  Seriously you people just don't seem to understand how to have respectful, adult conversations...

I mean I get that most of my high-wire acts all my life have been for the simple pleasure of trying to impress some girl somewhere -- so I sincerely hope whomever you're showing off to appreciates you more for it...

OBVIOUSLY we do not need those seed nodes if we update the wallet, remove the "karmashares" moniker within it AND expand the capability by adding in support for a Donation Tab.  I think I read somewhere that someone was suggesting putting in wallet advertising -- personally I don't much care for that, but if that's what the community wants I think it should be an "opt-in" feature if it earns those users more coin.

PERSONALLY, I think an Electrum style wallet is a much more useful model going forward, so that would be my recommend as a possible bounty-paid side project.

And for what I hope is the last time I have to repeat this:

Karma doesn't want to be controlled.  Not by me, not by anyone.

What I am proposing is mediating HOW Karma develops by helping to establish some consistency to that process, to be managed by a group of legitimate stakeholders who agree with whatever vision is established.

I believe that what Andre, Perica and I jointly offer is real world business experience that can translate into significant value-add for the Karma eco-system.  

But I can tell you that in our conversations our own appetite for continuing to put up with this kind of nonsense is wearing thin as well.

-dvd

No need to gee me. You have no idea how much destructive power I have and I am getting quite bored with you. I'd just like to go travel without shooting a lot of negative energy out in the universe. So ok... anyway... I am trying to help..... Back on track.

Good now that you found the domain, whois the domain and you will know who to contact, this guy is the only one who has a service that is REALLY needed with karmacoin. Everything else is just icing on the caek.

for everyone this guy is

And his service is not really NEEDED either. Clients will just have to addnode a node if the seednode goes down. We did that for a long time after Karmacoingood (the original developer) closed down his seednode and until we got this seednode added to the source code. I am not sure what the exact agreement is with alltheco.in about the seednode, if they expect payment or something or if this is a free service that will run indefinitely.

I really don't understand why you need to *own* karmacoin to create services for it. Truly I don't. Cryptocurrencies are P2P in nature. They are not centralised. STOP TRYING TO CENTRALISE KARMA FFS. If the recent shitstorm has shown anything it's that centralised leadership is bad. Kosmost did his divide and conquer and isolated willing victims and killed the coin.

So no, everything should be spread around. I am so tired of listening to all this "wah wah we want to control karma", "NO _WE_ WANT TO CONTROL KARMA" back and forth.

Everyone can have karma

Gee do you mean these as found in net.ccp (at line 1190) ?

So exactly why are you holding back? Launch the API, launch the services you want.

First of all build some services, run them and then maybe start talking about "building wallets". You don't just build a wallet and fork the network.

None of what you want to do needs new wallets.

There is no need for a power-grab, all that is needed is that the seed-node runs on the bootstrap domain/ip-address from the source-code.

Paste the domainname/ip address here so I know you are sincere. If you can't find it you don't need to talk about building wallets.

Thanks Maurizio for the vote of confidence.

I can relay that Andre and Perica are of the same mindset as I am on this:

"We would rather do this RIGHT than do it over."

Too many before us have been REALLY bad at managing expectations.  If we're going to get involved and commit to helping manage the coinbase development we'll have to get clear on this in order to be transparent.

I would rather "under-promise and over-deliver" any day.

But as it is right now we need to make sure that the community is aligned with us.

It does not serve anyone's purpose to have people working actively against us.

-dvd

Maybe an AMA on Reddit would be in order?

I have received a 5M Karma donation a while ago...Thanks and please, if you like, kindly make us know who you are.

Please start your work, the community will appreciate it.
Time to start with what Karma deserves to be.

Dave, let us know more about this when you have time please.

Imagine if this had been a tip made with a Karma paper wallet...

http://www.kare11.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/30/couple-generous-tip-goes-viral/16467771/

More "READY-FIRE-AIM" rhetoric...

YES we can AND that is something Andre, Perica and I have been discussing -- the idea of establishing multi-continent, redundant checkpointing nodes as well as the websites replication and redundancy.   They would run the EU servers and we would run the US infrastructure.

Trust me you WANT the wallets to be built by someone with good intentions.

Strength in Numbers Foundation has committed to doing source-code scanning (dynamic and static using a tool like HP's Fortify) for the wallets we will build.  Also malware scanning and digital signature services.

We would like to blend in the work that Clean Water Coin has recently done with its new wallet by adding a "Donation" tab and a nominal transaction that benefits the on-going support.  But that's up to the Board of Stakeholders to decide and approve.

-dvd

Thank you very much learminer for being generous towards the community! I received your 3M Karma donation. BTW, do you know how I can embed the game you are developing with ptman to this website? ---> http://easteagle13.wix.com/karma

The __ONLY__ thing that karma needs is the hostname that has been put into the source-code that points to either a wallet or a seednode. Whoever controls that controls karma.

EVERYTHING ELSE CAN BE DONE BY ANYONE!!!! IF YOU HAVE SOME TECH/SERVICE JUST RUN IT!!!!! YOU DON'T NEED PERMISSION!!!!

*GASP* THERE CAN BE MORE THAN ONE MERCHANT API IMPLEMENTATION *GASP*

GO GO GO

It's nice to hear from another reasonable voice!  Thank you learminer for recognizing our offers as different from what has been done in the past.

What amuses me about Eagles pleading for $$ is that I have repeatedly stated that Strength in Numbers Foundation would do all API development for FREE -- furthermore we could be happy to help start funding bounties for those items we ourselves do not have capacity to do.

After how many weeks of begging for donations he's raised what?  $150 ?  That's just, pardon my position here, but that's PATHETIC.

I have an open bounty of $250 on Bountysource for adding merged-mining in NOMP -- which would benefit everyone

https://www.bountysource.com/issues/1537124-merged-mining-support/backers

Furthermore we spent $6000 USD on the animated video for https://doabitofgood.com -- imagine what other resources we must have out our disposal that could do good things for karma.   At least we have something to show for that -- considering that we also spent nearly $1200 on Facebook paying for "boosted posts" for our http://facebook.com/doabitofgood page.

I'm not bragging -- trust me the Facebook ad spend might have been wasteful, only time will tell with advertising $$.

Everyone here seems to be operating from the position that the only reason someone would care about Karma is to profit from it.   Which always tells me their state of mind.

What I'm trying to illustrate is that we don't NEED to profit from Karma -- and certainly not me personally.  I don't need you guys to send me coins to show fidelity or ask dumb questions like "what have you done for karma" as a way to try and shame you.  That's just ineffective.

What I would ask is that everyone get two people, non-miners, like friends and family to download the wallet and then send them coins and ask them to do the same.  Tell them "this is exactly how Bitcoin works and we hope that one day Karma will be worth even a fraction of what Bitcoin is"

-dvd

@bitwho "what have you done for Karma" is a red herring, a distraction from unwelcome hard questions or criticism. Don't go down that route like kosmost did, it's a dead end. You really want to know what I have done? I've contributed several times to donation runs, as recently as the block explorer and - just today - to the API fund (hint @East, that was me). I've worked with ptman on the Karma game (good times). I've been an active, mostly positive and constructive community member. I've offered help on the karmadev subreddit and the Karmashares forums, no one requested it so far. There's probably more that slips my mind, but that's not the point. I've decided not to get involved directly in the current process on trello for personal reasons, but I still believe in the Karma idea as much as before. I'm offering my opion, no more no less, take it for what its worth.

Yes, it is extremely hard to get people to do anything for Karma, that's not a new problem. That happens when you ask people to do work for you for free. And now its even harder than ever because trust in the team has been severly damaged. Too many broken promises. Guilty by association I guess. The trust needs to be rebuilt before you can realistically expect much support. André, Perica and David coming in at this time offering help is pretty close to a best case scenario. We should embrace this opportunity and try to make the best out of it. A fresh start is needed, we need to stop being nostalgic for the "good kosmost"-days, get over the "bad-kosmost"-days and start a new era for Karma.

Of course in theory it is not unreasonable to ask help from the community, but you can't ask the community to shoulder everything either and certainly not at times like this. With almost any coin I know (that's worth following) the team is a core group of maybe 2-6 individuals who not only determine the direction of a coin, but also execute most of the development - without constantly asking the community to do that for them. The core development and services are almost always done by the coin developers.

The communities of those coins can trust this basic level of development and infrastructure to be provided for them. In contrast what remains of the Karma team hasn't even managed to take over all existing services from the previous team leader - after a month. If you want others to believe in this coin and dedicate their resources to it, you first need to demonstrate your ability and willingness to do the same. It is called leading by example.