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Warning to notary node operators

If you are thinking about setting up a notary node, there are some financial risks involved. There are two issues, 1) no one can guarantee you will get elected, 2) the final notary node number depends on our budget

We will setup 32, 49, or 64 notary nodes, depending on how much money we raise. As jl777 has explained before, 5000 BTC would allow us to setup the full 64 notary nodes.

The development team is very grateful for those who have invested their own money and time in notary node testing. Those who have actively participated in testing will receive a substitute for their efforts if they for some reason wouldn't get elected. This promise doesn't cover those who are just now setting up their notary nodes or planning to do so. If you are spending considerable amount of money, please understand that there is a risk that you won't get elected.

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We are planning to add a field for percentage of subsidy required. That means that each notary node candidate can decide how much guaranteed subsidy they require per node. This is expected to bring down our costs on areas where it is cheaper to run a node.

The vote is what counts though, so a candidate with no subsidy requirements could still not get elected. As a voter you should also consider the candidates technical skills and the hardware specs.

Because some node operators won't require $500/month subsidy the average subsidy amount will be lower than $500/month. Thus we need to reserve less capital for the 10 year buffer.

This thing is probably only relevant for the EU region, where we currently have more notary node candidates than there are spots (even with 64 notary nodes). Also the server costs are a lot lower in EU than they are in other parts of the world. We expect the subsidy to stay around 100% at the other parts of the world. The choice is made by the notary node candidates who set up that percentage (0 - 100 %) and the voters who elect the candidates.

We certainly hope that we can setup all 64 notary nodes. We are working hard to raise the remaining funds during the last week.

How the elections will happen

When you redeem your KMD after the ICO, you will have to vote. In other words the first voting process is embedded to our ICO. After we know our notary nodes and they are running, the network will officially launch and we distribute the coins. There will be enough time reserved for the voting, that even the BTCD investors get a change to do the swap and vote.

The next elections

If you have paid attention, you have noticed that we haven't talked about the other elections at all... that is because the election process beyond the initial one is still wide open.

We won't make any decision until later, as this is not the development priority. However we have speculated about different possibilities, and the most prominent one is to have periodical elections where some of the candidates are voted out for a re-election. This would drop out the bottom performers and incentivise the notary nodes to perform.

The sensible thing to do is not setup an expensive node until AFTER the election
newbie
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This looks like a very promising project!

However, is there any point of investing BTC in the project at the moment instead of just investing in BTCD? I'm talking about 5% early bird BTC bonus vs 0.00412 BTCD/BTC current exchange rate.
legendary
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Thanks for this update. It's good that people are warned before they invest time and money in setting up and maintaining a notary node.  Smiley

So forget about American presidents and vote for Notary Nodes!!   Grin
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Set Your Ideas Free
Warning to notary node operators

If you are thinking about setting up a notary node, there are some financial risks involved. There are two issues, 1) no one can guarantee you will get elected, 2) the final notary node number depends on our budget

We will setup 32, 49, or 64 notary nodes, depending on how much money we raise. As jl777 has explained before, 5000 BTC would allow us to setup the full 64 notary nodes.

The development team is very grateful for those who have invested their own money and time in notary node testing. Those who have actively participated in testing will receive a substitute for their efforts if they for some reason wouldn't get elected. This promise doesn't cover those who are just now setting up their notary nodes or planning to do so. If you are spending considerable amount of money, please understand that there is a risk that you won't get elected.

***

We are planning to add a field for percentage of subsidy required. That means that each notary node candidate can decide how much guaranteed subsidy they require per node. This is expected to bring down our costs on areas where it is cheaper to run a node.

The vote is what counts though, so a candidate with no subsidy requirements could still not get elected. As a voter you should also consider the candidates technical skills and the hardware specs.

Because some node operators won't require $500/month subsidy the average subsidy amount will be lower than $500/month. Thus we need to reserve less capital for the 10 year buffer.

This thing is probably only relevant for the EU region, where we currently have more notary node candidates than there are spots (even with 64 notary nodes). Also the server costs are a lot lower in EU than they are in other parts of the world. We expect the subsidy to stay around 100% at the other parts of the world. The choice is made by the notary node candidates who set up that percentage (0 - 100 %) and the voters who elect the candidates.

We certainly hope that we can setup all 64 notary nodes. We are working hard to raise the remaining funds during the last week.

How the elections will happen

When you redeem your KMD after the ICO, you will have to vote. In other words the first voting process is embedded to our ICO. After we know our notary nodes and they are running, the network will officially launch and we distribute the coins. There will be enough time reserved for the voting, that even the BTCD investors get a chance to do the swap and vote.

The next elections

If you have paid attention, you have noticed that we haven't talked about the other elections at all... that is because the election process beyond the initial one is still wide open.

We won't make any decision until later, as this is not the development priority. However we have speculated about different possibilities, and the most prominent one is to have periodical elections where some of the candidates are voted out for a re-election. This would drop out the bottom performers and incentivise the notary nodes to perform.
legendary
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Based on the level of funding that we have gotten so far, we wont be able to fund 64 nodes, so it is likely that we will end up with 32 notary nodes.

While it is possible the last days will bring in more funds, if to estimate the likely level, it is safer to assume 32 notary nodes

But I guess it will be updated to 64 nodes once Komodo will more than double its value soon.  Grin I am hoping big for this project. This should be part of my Christmas gift.  Grin
There is intense discussion in #elections channel about this topic.
everybody is welcome to join.

with KMD market price not knowable until trading starts, I dont want to rely on appreciation in KMD price to fund the notary nodes. There should be enough to fund the subsidized nodes for a predetermined time, regardless of marketprice.

of course if the market price sustains at above 25 cents, then there is no problem for indefinite subsidy
hero member
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Based on the level of funding that we have gotten so far, we wont be able to fund 64 nodes, so it is likely that we will end up with 32 notary nodes.

While it is possible the last days will bring in more funds, if to estimate the likely level, it is safer to assume 32 notary nodes

But I guess it will be updated to 64 nodes once Komodo will more than double its value soon.  Grin I am hoping big for this project. This should be part of my Christmas gift.  Grin
legendary
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Based on the level of funding that we have gotten so far, we wont be able to fund 64 nodes, so it is likely that we will end up with 32 notary nodes.

While it is possible the last days will bring in more funds, if to estimate the likely level, it is safer to assume 32 notary nodes
hero member
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Would it safe to assume that BTCD is going to increase the total amount invested by around 5000 BTC, which I came up with by using about 1 Mil BTCD?

Thanks

Yes they count for the distribution of KMD (of course those 5000 don't exist as actual capital for development!).
On the website there is useful spreadsheet calculator: https://komodoplatform.com/downloads/kmdcalculator.xls
hero member
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Would it safe to assume that BTCD is going to increase the total amount invested by around 5000 BTC, which I came up with by using about 1 Mil BTCD?

Thanks
hero member
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Through how many after the ICO, the coin will be released on the exchange?

We will distribute the coins ~ 2 weeks after the ICO. We don't know when the exchanges will list us, you will have to ask them about it!

How much time will be allowed for the BTCD swap after the ICO? Since distribution is planned within 2 weeks of the ICO, all BTCD swaps should be completed before that right?

You will be able to swap to get the coins at the same time as everyone else.

We will reserve enough KMD so we are able to swap every BTCD. The BTCD can be swapped at any time for one full year.

Thanks for the reply. Obviously not all of the BTCD will be swapped since some will be lost etc. So what would happen to the remaining KMD supply reserved for BTCD swaps?

They would be used as working capital for development.

I'm all for more development capital as I'm sure a big budget can mean better development and marketing. However, I do hope the number of BTCD that is not swapped wont be too high. If I have my calculations right, if 20% of the BTCD is not swapped, that could mean an extra 12% with the devs (above the already reserved 10%) which means ICO investors are only investing in only 78% of the supply which is a bit concerning to me as an investor.

The thing is nobody knows how many BTCD will not be swapped. It might be too low or too high. In the second case you are right, it will affect the ICO supply. Maybe a part of the capital could be given to ICO investors, if its too high? Just a thought.
hero member
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I need windows wallet,linux sheet. Huh I will support when windows wallet will be.
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Through how many after the ICO, the coin will be released on the exchange?

We will distribute the coins ~ 2 weeks after the ICO. We don't know when the exchanges will list us, you will have to ask them about it!

How much time will be allowed for the BTCD swap after the ICO? Since distribution is planned within 2 weeks of the ICO, all BTCD swaps should be completed before that right?

You will be able to swap to get the coins at the same time as everyone else.

We will reserve enough KMD so we are able to swap every BTCD. The BTCD can be swapped at any time for one full year.

Thanks for the reply. Obviously not all of the BTCD will be swapped since some will be lost etc. So what would happen to the remaining KMD supply reserved for BTCD swaps?

They would be used as working capital for development.

I'm all for more development capital as I'm sure a big budget can mean better development and marketing. However, I do hope the number of BTCD that is not swapped wont be too high. If I have my calculations right, if 20% of the BTCD is not swapped, that could mean an extra 12% with the devs (above the already reserved 10%) which means ICO investors are only investing in only 78% of the supply which is a bit concerning to me as an investor.
legendary
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What about zclassic ?
what about it?
making a zcash clone is as easy as:

./komodod -ac_name=zclassic -ac_supply=21000000

the above will create 21 million zclassic coins, and just add more nodes and you get a network

since there is no practical limit to the number of such zcash clones that can be made via command line, i dont see much value creation by ZCL
M++
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hero member
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Sorry for basic question, but do I have to have my computer on and wallet open 24/7 to contstantly stake my BTCD coins?

No, when you unlock it you get the stake revenue for all the time, regardless if it was offline or not. Of course you miss the compound interests.
sr. member
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Set Your Ideas Free
Sorry for basic question, but do I have to have my computer on and wallet open 24/7 to contstantly stake my BTCD coins?

I believe so, but...

In a few weeks you can swap your BTCD to KMD. With KMD the "staking" is even easier, and anyone can do it, and you will get the same 5 % APR.
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Komodo Swing Wallet GUI



https://github.com/satindergrewal/zcash-swing-wallet-ui

I was just testing APIs for Komodo GUI, and was looking for existing wallets what APIs they used.

Came across this Zcash's third party open source client based on Java code. It is very basic level client, and is cross platform. It sure will be help full to get relevant APIs to utilise in my EasyDEX-GUI version of Komodo GUI interface.

I have been developing backend javascript code for Komodo GUI and will link that to relevant GUI section in coming days. Hoping to get things done as fast as I can even being so busy with my day job, and getting less time after work.

So, with Zcash Swing Wallet code, I did tiny bit of change here and there, and it works perfectly fine in my tests with komodod, for only the functions which are similar in between Zcash and Komodo.

Komodo GUI will include more Komodo specific functions as that's main Komodo GUI being built under EasyDEX-GUI.


EDIT: Oh! I forgot to mention. Consider this Java wallet for advanced users please. Smiley

Here are some more screen shots:







hero member
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Sorry for basic question, but do I have to have my computer on and wallet open 24/7 to contstantly stake my BTCD coins?
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