Hello everyone,
Liskers I'm very happy to be part of this great project, I have been in crypto-world for about 2 years and because I'm network system administrator...
Full thread here: https://forum.lisk.io/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=151
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March 27, 2016, 10:15:11 AM
March 27, 2016, 10:05:53 AM
We must pay more attention on promoting Lisk and making more Dapps...
The delegates issue, the Lisk team, can think a manner..
Maybe 1001 delegates? Or 1 delegates per person...I dont know...
But the rewards should be used to promote Lisk, its better for Lisk and for yourself.
The delegates issue, the Lisk team, can think a manner..
Maybe 1001 delegates? Or 1 delegates per person...I dont know...
But the rewards should be used to promote Lisk, its better for Lisk and for yourself.
That is subjective. I understand the fear but if someone is going to manipulate it, they are going to do it regardless of it's 1001 delegates or 101 delegates.
No matter what the rules people provide, even if there is a 1% advantage, there is someone willing to take advantage of it.
That is human nature. If you change the system for something else, they will still come and try.
March 27, 2016, 10:01:45 AM
We must pay more attention on promoting Lisk and making more Dapps...
The delegates issue, the Lisk team, can think a manner..
Maybe 1001 delegates? Or 1 delegates per person...I dont know...
But the rewards should be used to promote Lisk, its better for Lisk and for yourself.
The delegates issue, the Lisk team, can think a manner..
Maybe 1001 delegates? Or 1 delegates per person...I dont know...
But the rewards should be used to promote Lisk, its better for Lisk and for yourself.
March 27, 2016, 09:55:11 AM
Let's start from the beginning.
Before Lisk there was/is Crypti. Crypti stayed at a marketcap of 500k and even lower for years, because nobody gave a shit about it. All of a sudden two guys from Crypti announced that they will stop developing for it and, unhappy with the way it was advancing, forked out Crypti and renamed their project to Lisk.
For a few days both parties were unhappy about it and the main developer Boris (who's still not responding much) swore that he would stay and continue the development for Crypti, telling us that Lisk has nothing to do with it.
Anyways, just like i suspected a few weeks ago, the scammer Boris and his crew kept this confusion going for a long time (avoiding answers), while they were buying Lisk like crazy, even though they were dismissing it at the beginning. The temptation of gaining fast bitcoins through a second ICO (lol) was too big for our friend Boris and, after he lost all his morals, he made the announcement that he will stop developing for Crypti and switch to Lisk.
What you see now in Lisk is in fact the same TEAM from Crypti ROFL, just that somehow they've managed to fool enough idiots so that the project could rise 6x in a few weeks, taking Crypti from 500k to now 3M for Lisk.
These guys never added anything on top of the fork. It is exactly the same project. Only promises and that's about it. Who knows what other shady things these guys did. They've probably even faked the ICO numbers on their website just to create more hype.
Good luck
Before Lisk there was/is Crypti. Crypti stayed at a marketcap of 500k and even lower for years, because nobody gave a shit about it. All of a sudden two guys from Crypti announced that they will stop developing for it and, unhappy with the way it was advancing, forked out Crypti and renamed their project to Lisk.
For a few days both parties were unhappy about it and the main developer Boris (who's still not responding much) swore that he would stay and continue the development for Crypti, telling us that Lisk has nothing to do with it.
Anyways, just like i suspected a few weeks ago, the scammer Boris and his crew kept this confusion going for a long time (avoiding answers), while they were buying Lisk like crazy, even though they were dismissing it at the beginning. The temptation of gaining fast bitcoins through a second ICO (lol) was too big for our friend Boris and, after he lost all his morals, he made the announcement that he will stop developing for Crypti and switch to Lisk.
What you see now in Lisk is in fact the same TEAM from Crypti ROFL, just that somehow they've managed to fool enough idiots so that the project could rise 6x in a few weeks, taking Crypti from 500k to now 3M for Lisk.
These guys never added anything on top of the fork. It is exactly the same project. Only promises and that's about it. Who knows what other shady things these guys did. They've probably even faked the ICO numbers on their website just to create more hype.
Good luck
Read carefully. Boris is just an adviser. As for Crypti further development - 80% of Crypti belongs to Lisk team. Lisk has almost the same idea as Crypti, but with 5,7m support.
So why Boris should develop Crypti for free while there is another powerful project already in game?
March 27, 2016, 09:45:14 AM
LiskHQ, can you clear: I have 1000 LISK, and I vote for two delegates, each receive votes for 500 LISK or for 1000 LISK?
And if I vote for third, now each of them have votes corresponding to 333 LISK or 1000 LISK?
If my LISK amount not divides between delegates and each receive votes for 1000 LISK,
is correct, if someone have 51% LISK he can create 101 delegate and elect it all to active?
And if I vote for third, now each of them have votes corresponding to 333 LISK or 1000 LISK?
If my LISK amount not divides between delegates and each receive votes for 1000 LISK,
is correct, if someone have 51% LISK he can create 101 delegate and elect it all to active?
Each delegate you voted is receiving your 1000 Lisk voting power. In theory someone with 50%+ Lisk could Decide who is elected. Probably could do so even with much lower holdings since never all Lisk holders gonna vote
Once trading is live, overall voting power might be drastically reduced, because of all the coins sitting on exchanges. makes the 1000 BTC buy look more daunting than before…
What are the voting intervalls?
March 27, 2016, 09:34:52 AM
LiskHQ, can you clear: I have 1000 LISK, and I vote for two delegates, each receive votes for 500 LISK or for 1000 LISK?
And if I vote for third, now each of them have votes corresponding to 333 LISK or 1000 LISK?
If my LISK amount not divides between delegates and each receive votes for 1000 LISK,
is correct, if someone have 51% LISK he can create 101 delegate and elect it all to active?
And if I vote for third, now each of them have votes corresponding to 333 LISK or 1000 LISK?
If my LISK amount not divides between delegates and each receive votes for 1000 LISK,
is correct, if someone have 51% LISK he can create 101 delegate and elect it all to active?
Each delegate you voted is receiving your 1000 Lisk voting power. In theory someone with 50%+ Lisk could Decide who is elected. Probably could do so even with much lower holdings since never all Lisk holders gonna vote
March 27, 2016, 09:33:50 AM
If you want to help out as a Trollbox Warrior promoting and defending LISK then I would suggest https://www.tradingview.com/chat/#bitcoin this chat room is truly massive, the biggest on TradingView.com, many people frequently talk about investing in alt coins in here.
March 27, 2016, 09:27:32 AM
Hi to all! I'm from the Belarus. I'm 26 years old. In bitcoin community with 2011 year. I want to be part of LISK project. I have a free scheduler and can see to VPS 16-20 hours in day. I also communicate well with testz, so I have a great consultant! My nick is Grumlin
full thread on LISK forum!
Thanks!
You have my vote Grumlinfull thread on LISK forum!
Thanks!
Me too. But 16-20 hours in day is small. Better 98-99% uptime
March 27, 2016, 09:19:10 AM
LiskHQ, can you clear: I have 1000 LISK, and I vote for two delegates, each receive votes for 500 LISK or for 1000 LISK?
And if I vote for third, now each of them have votes corresponding to 333 LISK or 1000 LISK?
If my LISK amount not divides between delegates and each receive votes for 1000 LISK,
is correct, if someone have 51% LISK he can create 101 delegate and elect it all to active?
And if I vote for third, now each of them have votes corresponding to 333 LISK or 1000 LISK?
If my LISK amount not divides between delegates and each receive votes for 1000 LISK,
is correct, if someone have 51% LISK he can create 101 delegate and elect it all to active?
It only costs 1 LISK to vote as a fee IIRC: check explorer.lisk.io
Well, I think the main question was how your weight is distributed. If I have 1000 Lisk and vote for 33 delegates, is my weight distributed, or is it 1000 Lisk for every delegate? The last case would increase voting power exponentially…
March 27, 2016, 09:10:48 AM
Let's start from the beginning.
Before Lisk there was/is Crypti. Crypti stayed at a marketcap of 500k and even lower for years, because nobody gave a shit about it. All of a sudden two guys from Crypti announced that they will stop developing for it and, unhappy with the way it was advancing, forked out Crypti and renamed their project to Lisk.
For a few days both parties were unhappy about it and the main developer Boris (who's still not responding much) swore that he would stay and continue the development for Crypti, telling us that Lisk has nothing to do with it.
Anyways, just like i suspected a few weeks ago, the scammer Boris and his crew kept this confusion going for a long time (avoiding answers), while they were buying Lisk like crazy, even though they were dismissing it at the beginning. The temptation of gaining fast bitcoins through a second ICO (lol) was too big for our friend Boris and, after he lost all his morals, he made the announcement that he will stop developing for Crypti and switch to Lisk.
What you see now in Lisk is in fact the same TEAM from Crypti ROFL, just that somehow they've managed to fool enough idiots so that the project could rise 6x in a few weeks, taking Crypti from 500k to now 3M for Lisk.
These guys never added anything on top of the fork. It is exactly the same project. Only promises and that's about it. Who knows what other shady things these guys did. They've probably even faked the ICO numbers on their website just to create more hype.
Good luck
Before Lisk there was/is Crypti. Crypti stayed at a marketcap of 500k and even lower for years, because nobody gave a shit about it. All of a sudden two guys from Crypti announced that they will stop developing for it and, unhappy with the way it was advancing, forked out Crypti and renamed their project to Lisk.
For a few days both parties were unhappy about it and the main developer Boris (who's still not responding much) swore that he would stay and continue the development for Crypti, telling us that Lisk has nothing to do with it.
Anyways, just like i suspected a few weeks ago, the scammer Boris and his crew kept this confusion going for a long time (avoiding answers), while they were buying Lisk like crazy, even though they were dismissing it at the beginning. The temptation of gaining fast bitcoins through a second ICO (lol) was too big for our friend Boris and, after he lost all his morals, he made the announcement that he will stop developing for Crypti and switch to Lisk.
What you see now in Lisk is in fact the same TEAM from Crypti ROFL, just that somehow they've managed to fool enough idiots so that the project could rise 6x in a few weeks, taking Crypti from 500k to now 3M for Lisk.
These guys never added anything on top of the fork. It is exactly the same project. Only promises and that's about it. Who knows what other shady things these guys did. They've probably even faked the ICO numbers on their website just to create more hype.
Good luck
I'm only an advisor at Lisk and do not work there, but I wish the team good luck.
I'm focusing on my own blockchain 2.0 project, which we will announce soon
Boris, any good news for Crypti holders?
March 27, 2016, 09:06:37 AM
LiskHQ, can you clear: I have 1000 LISK, and I vote for two delegates, each receive votes for 500 LISK or for 1000 LISK?
And if I vote for third, now each of them have votes corresponding to 333 LISK or 1000 LISK?
If my LISK amount not divides between delegates and each receive votes for 1000 LISK,
is correct, if someone have 51% LISK he can create 101 delegate and elect it all to active?
And if I vote for third, now each of them have votes corresponding to 333 LISK or 1000 LISK?
If my LISK amount not divides between delegates and each receive votes for 1000 LISK,
is correct, if someone have 51% LISK he can create 101 delegate and elect it all to active?
It only costs 1 LISK to vote as a fee IIRC: check explorer.lisk.io
March 27, 2016, 08:49:09 AM
LiskHQ, can you clear: I have 1000 LISK, and I vote for two delegates, each receive votes for 500 LISK or for 1000 LISK?
And if I vote for third, now each of them have votes corresponding to 333 LISK or 1000 LISK?
If my LISK amount not divides between delegates and each receive votes for 1000 LISK,
is correct, if someone have 51% LISK he can create 101 delegate and elect it all to active?
And if I vote for third, now each of them have votes corresponding to 333 LISK or 1000 LISK?
If my LISK amount not divides between delegates and each receive votes for 1000 LISK,
is correct, if someone have 51% LISK he can create 101 delegate and elect it all to active?
March 27, 2016, 08:48:53 AM
your missing the vital points here;
step 1; buy ico
step 2; dont ask fucking questions
step 3; PROFIT
With current prices a Delegate makes $10.000 a year / costs of running node : $50
So when the price get up 5x he is going to make $50.000 a year / costs of running node : $50
I think thats looking like a snowball system. Holding coins to vote for positions for getting more coins.
With that strategy this coin will blew up into scam sector.
Why not distribute the coins as much as possible with PoW and the PoS like other coins. Experiment, right.
I am sure adjusting the numbers would make it not a scam like it seems to be here. Seriously, $50k for setting up a node? Even 10 nodes costs just $500!
Cost of running my azure node is 89$ a month lol.
Costs of running node, keeping reputation up, developing dapps, helping and contributing to Lisk and at the same time
living the life of a normal human being with work, education, food and other expenses? = who knows.
Delegates may earn a lot, but some people have lives as well, and that's why delegates may have the unwritten responsibility of
helping everyone else apart from just Lisk
Yes but those are not requirements are they ? developing daps helping and contributing to lisk .. no just get the votes also many people seem to be inclined to think they will be running more then one delegate position.
This is a huge cluster fuck - scam fest waiting to happen if u cant see that your blinded by your greed.
True, but in the long run, people will know who to vote for, just believe in the power of the people.
March 27, 2016, 08:22:20 AM
your missing the vital points here;
step 1; buy ico
step 2; dont ask fucking questions
step 3; PROFIT
With current prices a Delegate makes $10.000 a year / costs of running node : $50
So when the price get up 5x he is going to make $50.000 a year / costs of running node : $50
I think thats looking like a snowball system. Holding coins to vote for positions for getting more coins.
With that strategy this coin will blew up into scam sector.
Why not distribute the coins as much as possible with PoW and the PoS like other coins. Experiment, right.
I am sure adjusting the numbers would make it not a scam like it seems to be here. Seriously, $50k for setting up a node? Even 10 nodes costs just $500!
Cost of running my azure node is 89$ a month lol.
Costs of running node, keeping reputation up, developing dapps, helping and contributing to Lisk and at the same time
living the life of a normal human being with work, education, food and other expenses? = who knows.
Delegates may earn a lot, but some people have lives as well, and that's why delegates may have the unwritten responsibility of
helping everyone else apart from just Lisk
Yes but those are not requirements are they ? developing daps helping and contributing to lisk .. no just get the votes also many people seem to be inclined to think they will be running more then one delegate position.
This is a huge cluster fuck - scam fest waiting to happen if u cant see that your blinded by your greed.
March 27, 2016, 08:17:38 AM
GUYS TO CLARIFY, LISK AI IS NOT ONLINE, IT IS ONLY A CONCEPT. MY TEAM IS WORKING ON IT BUT THE LISKA ACCOUNT IS JUST A CONCEPT
ai seems quite a lofty goal. is this something that would be built from scratch or is there an ai engine that could be integrated into your app?
We'll be doing talks with Mike and see where we could start. We need a proper plan before getting there.
We're currently conceptualizing what it should be able to do, and what it shouldn't do.
Wouldn't want to make skynet eh
March 27, 2016, 08:13:34 AM
your missing the vital points here;
step 1; buy ico
step 2; dont ask fucking questions
step 3; PROFIT
With current prices a Delegate makes $10.000 a year / costs of running node : $50
So when the price get up 5x he is going to make $50.000 a year / costs of running node : $50
I think thats looking like a snowball system. Holding coins to vote for positions for getting more coins.
With that strategy this coin will blew up into scam sector.
Why not distribute the coins as much as possible with PoW and the PoS like other coins. Experiment, right.
I am sure adjusting the numbers would make it not a scam like it seems to be here. Seriously, $50k for setting up a node? Even 10 nodes costs just $500!
Cost of running my azure node is 89$ a month lol.
Costs of running node, keeping reputation up, developing dapps, helping and contributing to Lisk and at the same time
living the life of a normal human being with work, education, food and other expenses? = who knows.
Delegates may earn a lot, but some people have lives as well, and that's why delegates may have the unwritten responsibility of
helping everyone else apart from just Lisk
March 27, 2016, 08:07:19 AM
About delegates and revenue.
As some mentionied above acitve delegate makes a 10k $ in year at the ICO price.
But, as I understand, you should have a 1% stake to be elected in any case (voting for yourself).
1% stake is 140 btc * 415 = 58k $. So, investing 58k $ you get a revenue 10k $, it's about 17% by year.
It's not big and, if I correct, same revenue level exists in DASH.
Another thing that many people sure to become an active delegate for free (without 1% stake).
But I don't think this way is works. Maybe for a few must respected and notable.
P.S. Maybe I don't right about 1% election, documentation is not clear for that moment.
As some mentionied above acitve delegate makes a 10k $ in year at the ICO price.
But, as I understand, you should have a 1% stake to be elected in any case (voting for yourself).
1% stake is 140 btc * 415 = 58k $. So, investing 58k $ you get a revenue 10k $, it's about 17% by year.
It's not big and, if I correct, same revenue level exists in DASH.
Another thing that many people sure to become an active delegate for free (without 1% stake).
But I don't think this way is works. Maybe for a few must respected and notable.
P.S. Maybe I don't right about 1% election, documentation is not clear for that moment.
March 27, 2016, 08:04:52 AM
GUYS TO CLARIFY, LISK AI IS NOT ONLINE, IT IS ONLY A CONCEPT. MY TEAM IS WORKING ON IT BUT THE LISKA ACCOUNT IS JUST A CONCEPT
ai seems quite a lofty goal. is this something that would be built from scratch or is there an ai engine that could be integrated into your app?
March 27, 2016, 08:02:53 AM
Want to announce my new service here, I have been in crypto for a long time and really like what Lisk is trying to do.
I wanted to contribute and develop a fully automated Lisk pool (the first?).
LiskPool.com
https://www.liskpool.com
LiskPool will reward all voters with a share of the pool rewards + fees.
Atleast 85% of the pool income will be paid to the voters 15% will be used to pay for the servers and future pool development (this might change depending on the Lisk price).
All delegates are hosted in datacenters in the EU/US.
Payouts are processed automatically when your balance reaches 10 Lisk.
Rewards are calculated based on the amount of votes for LiskPool delegates, voting for other delegates (decreases the LiskPool delegate ranking) decreases your payout.
All payouts are processed automatically to your Lisk address, all you have to do is vote for the LiskPool delegates.
LiskPool aims for multiple delegates but will never run more then 33 delegates.
LiskPool is ready now and will be available the moment Lisk launches, until then we will be stress testing our pool on our own Lisk testnet.
At launch we will start with 10 forging servers(delegates), all 33 delegate names will be registered at launch to avoid name squatting by someone else.
Questions are best asked on the LiskPool thread here: https://forum.lisk.io/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=150
I wanted to contribute and develop a fully automated Lisk pool (the first?).
LiskPool.com
https://www.liskpool.com
LiskPool will reward all voters with a share of the pool rewards + fees.
Atleast 85% of the pool income will be paid to the voters 15% will be used to pay for the servers and future pool development (this might change depending on the Lisk price).
All delegates are hosted in datacenters in the EU/US.
Payouts are processed automatically when your balance reaches 10 Lisk.
Rewards are calculated based on the amount of votes for LiskPool delegates, voting for other delegates (decreases the LiskPool delegate ranking) decreases your payout.
All payouts are processed automatically to your Lisk address, all you have to do is vote for the LiskPool delegates.
LiskPool aims for multiple delegates but will never run more then 33 delegates.
LiskPool is ready now and will be available the moment Lisk launches, until then we will be stress testing our pool on our own Lisk testnet.
At launch we will start with 10 forging servers(delegates), all 33 delegate names will be registered at launch to avoid name squatting by someone else.
Questions are best asked on the LiskPool thread here: https://forum.lisk.io/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=150
March 27, 2016, 07:47:12 AM
Can i still exchange XCR for LISK? I totally missed out the ICO. Also i'm having problem accessing my XCR balance from online wallet hosted on lisk.io
No, you can't. But you can sell XCR on polo (current price ~2500 is good, for ICO price was lower - 1300) before 11 april and buy LISK on excnanges after main network start. Buying LISK before network start from ICO participant (even through escrow) is not recommended because account owner can reset the password.
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